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Last bit of discussion on this bloke was close to a month ago and he is almost certain to go in the top 10 and possibly to us at 3. Why? Are we too focused on type and not enough on genuine footy talent? Seems to tick the boxes of competitor and has skills. You've got to admit it would be a bit funny if he ended up at pick 3 and we'd ignored him for weeks. It's a fascinating draft. I love the suspense. I'll be a bit sad on Tuesday when it's all over.

Some random notes from Thursday night:-Jason Taylor and Todd Viney covered most aspects of their roles in recruiting and list management respectively and shed some light on the decision-making behind the list changes to date and discussed the players in the mix for picks 3 & 7 for next Tuesday night including the rationale behind their thinking when weighing up who to select, what type of player and the attributes they look for - in the end it's always the best player available but we know that remains very much a subjective concept. The list management/recruiting is a job that never really starts or finishes. Next week, there's the National Draft on Tuesday and the PSD & Rookie Draft on Friday and soon after you're already immersed in what's going to happen next year with player contracts, with the next lot of young players about to come into the system and who you can possibly acquire from other AFL clubs or the senior competitions below. There was discussion on the list of players who retired and were delisted/traded. Viney was quite blunt about Howe. The club offered a contract, his manager wanted more. The situation became one where the decision was deferred till later in the season to show the club he was capable of performing to higher levels and in the end, he produced the same thing as he had done for four years. His ultimate contract with Collingwood reflected that the club's view wasn't far off the mark. Someone asked Todd if he'd like to revisit the selection of Jimmy Toumpas ahead of Ollie Wines and in return received the stare of a smiling assassin. Another word from him would surely have seen him turn into chopped liver. Obviously, the club would like to be perceived of as being a destination club for the elite types in the competition and we did try (and in some cases came close) to get the name players but we're not there yet and were not helped by some poor late season efforts. Instead, we did well to identify players like Melksham, Bugg and Kennedy who, although highly regarded when coming into the system, were not happy where they were or looking for better opportunities to develop into regular senior players. I made an interesting observation to Redleg when we first came into the room about how times had changed. Back in the old days, there would have been plenty of beer on tap for the punters whereas all we got on the night was plain water. There might have been an element of prescience there because the first potential draftee who's vision they showed us on the screen was at that very moment probably having his first drink for the evening and it should also have been water and not beer. I mean, I like Charlie Curnow but how stupid is the kid given that he's played in the TAC Cup competition for two years? Did he not take the time to learn a single thing about the message of the sponsoring organisation? I never thought Curnow would or should be the #3 pick even though we were told about his leadership potential compared with say, Darcy Parish who's "a bit of a lad" and "plays up from time to time" but it's 2015 so I still am prepared to forgive him (as the Hawks generously did with their skipper before winning the grand final) if we get him at #7. I've made my thoughts clear about who we should take first and since the club has no control over the selections in between, I'm prepared for and satisfied with the array that was put up for us to view - Curnow, Francis, Milera, Parish, Oliver and Weideman. Any two will do. Each has his own individual attribute or set of attributes that, if nurtured and developed properly will make our team a better side. One thing which I did think they let slip was that we were going to bid early for a Sydney player which means Callum Mills will be taken at #3 and our own first pick will become 4. We're also going to try to rookie list Viv Michie. Some of those back in great shape are AVB and JT (along with Petracca). Separately, I was told that Billy Stretch is in great shape and bulking up a bit and Dean Terlich has also worked hard on getting his body in shape for what must surely be his last tilt. My own view is that his contract has probably stood in the way of the club claiming Jake Lovett as a father/son prospect. Viney spoke of the difficulty of having to go to see him and the family to deliver the news that they wouldn't be drafting him under the f/s rule. There aren't many others in the category in the wings at present (an Obst maybe?). At the equivalent meeting twelve months ago, I left pretty well assured that we were going to draft Paddy McCartin and Angus Brayshaw - at that stage most of the football world was convinced that St. Kilda was going to go for Christian Petracca. I think we lucked out when they changed their mind. It seems that notwithstanding the Truck's year off, Simon Goodwin regards him in the same class as a former teammate called McLeod so to have him, Brayshaw, The Hulk and two more top 10 picks in the wings is a salvating thought irrespective of who we take in the end (geez, even Milera who nobody thinks we'll take would be enough for Bruce McAvaney to describe as "delicious"). Now 20 or so years ago, we could have capped off that salivating thought by wolfing down more party pies and sausage rolls than you could eat in a week but on this night, it was sushi and quiches (Redleg worked them over quite well anyway). Twenty years ago there would have been stories leaking from every corner of the room. I remember the day when I was told on the eve of a draft that we badly wanted a South Australian named Camporeale. Carlton took him with the selection before ours. On this night there were no leaks about who we are going to pick on Tuesday night. How times have changed?

After a long and exhaustive consideration of this issue I've decided Billy Stretch is going to be my favourite player this year (which really hurts cos I love Jack Viney) so he is the one. Uses the ball so well, works really hard and has been a passionate Demon supporter for life. He's living the dream. Ripping bloke, no tickets on himself, popular and respected amongst the playing group and coaches. Get the ball 20 to 25 times a game Billy and you'll write your own history.

This really is a fascinating draft for us. I can't recall a draft, where we had a high draft pick, actually probably the first live pick and it could be any of about 6 players, without shocking me. We probably all agree that Parish, Curnow, Francis, Oliver , Milera and Weideman could be pick 3, without any Demon jumping off the MCG roof in disgust. Our club has not leaked at all and the experts are all guessing and coming up with different selections for 3. I attended the MFC draft talk on thursday and came away completely none the wiser. It is a draft that has therefore now generated a fair bit of excitement to see who we get at 3 and 7. Players seem to be going up or down by the day. Curnow probably down a bit since his incident. For me, Francis up a bit since I saw another highlights package. Added to the excitement is the fact that we don't really know who the Bombers and GC really want either. I have heard that GC would love Milera or Francis. Clearly the Bombers will take at least one mid with picks 4 and 5. The combinations are many and 7 could well be a key forward we need, or a mid we need if we go taller with 3. Crazy as it sounds we could pass on Parish at 3 and still get him at 7. I am excited for draft night for the first time in a while and I now for the last couple of drafts, have confidence in our recruiting team. Good luck Dees and I hope we pick up a couple of champs early and a couple of very good footballers later. No bugger that, pick up 4 champs.

I think Quigley is a keen observer and notices a lot of things that others don't, but I sometimes question his understanding of how certain traits will translate to AFL level and what attributes a player may be lacking that they would need to be a real success at the next level. Not that I'm an expert. I often go off "feel" then try to understand why I felt that. For instance, Francis doesn't quite do it for me, and I think it's because athletically I don't feel he'll ever be able to cover enough ground to have the impact Quigs expects. And I think he may often undervalue the impact of that athleticism in a player; what it will allow them to do at the next level (like a Parish, who I think will blossom). I also think he doesn't value certain attributes enough, like the contested marking, character and competitiveness of Weideman, and undervalues him because he lacks certain attributes that may not be necessary to play the role he will fill at AFL level. Just my observation. As others have said, Quigs is an astute viewer.

Friday, November 20, 0945 hours Pretty big day for this individual. First of all, my one and only exam was completed yesterday, and secondly, today I find out whether I’ve been nominated for AFL Victoria’s Community Media Awards for the second year in succession, which at the age of 22 I see as a massive achievement. Anyway, I get here missing part of the warmups, as is almost customary for me nowadays, I couldn’t explain properly why that is the case. Anyway as I get here the boys are doing the same drill that they normally do when they start off with their drills for the morning, the handball drill where there’s a defender putting pressure on. In the middle there’s a different drill, where the boys are asked to kick to players in the same team until called to kick to the other team. I’ll probably try to better explain – there’s two teams of about four or five players, one wearing vests and one not wearing vests, plus a couple of players wearing orange for that matter as well, and the coach calls out which colour kicks to whom. If that makes sense. In the meantime, as I walk through to Gosch’s, Terlich finishes up early and walks by me; Smith and ANB are doing some running and I can’t really explain why, and Trengove makes a very welcome appearance. Not entirely sure what he is doing at this point. Vandenberg is having a run around the joint as well. Meantime checking out the personalities around the place Mahoney is hearing watching, as well as King Jackson who’s made himself a dead set legend yesterday by signing on for a couple more years. Top bloke. Next drill is a full grounder drill, two full teams, boys are going hard at it. Brayshaw is crashing into blokes and in one case manages to bring down Maxy Gawn. It’s not quite the full monty yet until everybody else joins the party anyway. In the meantime Kenty is still moving very well considering he hasn’t played for a few months, and Tommy Mc is still showing his versatility whenever the ball goes nearby. Having said that there’s quite a few slip and sliding around due to the wet conditions experienced after last night’s awesome storm. Speaking of storms, an early look at a possible game plan sees the boys storming forward whenever they get the chance to do that. The ball movement at this early stage is noticeably faster and there’s more of an emphasis on players moving positively whenever the chance is there to do so. There is still a bit of an emphasis on switching play – as most coaches probably would. Having said that despite all the positivity, there are still a few disappointing errors by foot. Some of these errors come about as a result of risky kicks, but there are also errors which come about due to poor kicks. Another bloke who’s moving around really well is Dom Tyson. This bloke’s going to be an interesting case in 2016. I think all Melbourne supporters agree that 2015 was disappointing for him but I think we also all agree that we knew he was somewhat affected by injury. Anyway, on the track at the moment, he’s moving around like he’s finding the 2014 silky-smooth movement again, even though that there is still a bit of tape around his knee, which is really good to see. I’m therefore looking forward to seeing what he does when he’s fully fit. More on the drill – the skills have improved markedly since I commented that they left a lot to be desired. Also it seems that there is a lot more confidence about with many players. Probably none more so than Jayden Hunt. He seems to be backing his speed a lot more and he’s also getting the chance to find a lot more space, which is really encouraging. I think 2016 is the year we’ll finally see him get games, and we’ll finally get to see the great #29 grace the field for the first time since the great days of Michael “Juice” Newton. Drill stops and the move to the other side of the ground to do some form of a defensive drill. On the near side of the ground where I am it’s good to see Dunny here a bit early like he normally is, having a bit of fun and having set shots… hold on, he’s a defender isn’t he? On the other side of the ground, it’s really good to see JKH all over this defensive drill, and intercepting a couple of kicks, which is exactly what I want to see. Just hoping that this year was just the classic case of second year blues. The drill stops for a period before the roles are reversed – the team with the vests are attacking and the team without them are defending… but that’s a loose term. Good moment comes when a kick opens up big Maxy 15 metres in the clear, Maxy gets there… but only just. One quintessentially classic panic handball later, the vest team are able to kick a goal having broken open the defensive structure that the plain team tried to implement too easily in the end. This is the same deal when the defensive structure is tried again, with a kick down the corridor breaking open the play way too easily, which is either good or bad depending on which team you want to focus on. After a short micro-break the boys go at it again… and again it’s basically the same deal without the result this time around. I’m looking around trying to work out whether it’s just that the team with the vests have more numbers or that there is a weak link which is hurting the plain structure. At the moment, it appears to be a case of the former. On closer inspection, there’s the same amount of numbers on both sides. Bit of a break, Frost is running laps around the oval, Hogan has seemingly appeared out of nowhere given I hadn’t seen him during the drills (not sure if I haven’t paid enough attention for that one TBH) and is having a few sprints just over a patch of the oval with Viney. There’s clearly a bit of friendly rivalry when they run around – think it’s almost like they have to start line astern with an alternate leader and then they have to make sure that they stay in front. Bit of a similar drill to what’s been going on basically all morning after a short break which is another pressure-based drill with game simulation. Again JKH is performing well when applying pressure, laying another couple of tackles. Really been impressed with his application this morning. As they have another chat all you can hear is the solid BEEP BEEP BEEP noise that the Storm are doing. It’s not entirely a beep test, but (BEEP) it’s (BEEP)in annoying. Thankfully the boys get back into it, coupled with the beeping noise stopping, so that I can focus entirely on the drill at hand and see who’s doing what. With Hogan, Viney and a few others sitting out of main group training for the time being it’s two groups of nine on nine… ahem, AFL 9s. The drill restarts and immediately there is an orgy of players all over the footy. Again, JKH doesn’t give an inch whenever anyone gets the footy, laying yet another tackle, this time on Harmes. Mind you there was about 15 or 16 players within two metres of the footy this time round so laying a tackle was straightforward. There was a bit of solid banter during the drill when Tom McDonald gets the footy and tries kicking it to King… only to have his brother intercept it! During the same passage of play, Hogan (who’s running on the oval) cracks the shits when he has players interrupt his run (as I said before, it’s a friendly rivalry with Viney that he has and he’s trying to better Jack’s efforts). The next time they go about it Harmes gathers from half back and goes for an electrifying run that last until about 20m from goal before he gives out a Joe the Goose to a teammate. I am a bit disappointed he didn’t take the initiative and kick the goal himself because that was every bit as good a run as Phil Manassa’s (albeit this is in training and not in a Grand Final with the game on the line). After that there’s more of a handball drill this time around. It’s similar to the kicking drill except it covers a much smaller patch of ground than the kicking drill which was basically a full grounder. It’s more of a five on five drill than the nine on nine we’ve become accustomed to, with all players basically starting side on. The boys then stop for a bit, have a casual kick to kick and then change into their running shoes. As ever they come with instructions – Press B to run like the wind! (points if you get the reference). Okey-dokes. The running. There’s two groups and one quasi-group which I’m not sure just starts slowly or is part of the other group, I don’t have a clue. First bit of running sees the boys go from the back pocket to the goal posts. Either side. Pleasingly for those who likes seeing epic running battles, Tom and Oscar McDonald are in the same group, which will make for good viewing when everybody else invariably slows down. Pleasingly, for the time being, Dom is up the front. Kennedy, by the looks of things, is up the front of the other group. Mind you, that group has Gawn, Frost, Kent and King in it, so it’s the same running group as when I was last here last Friday. For the time being though I’m really pleased that Dom looks back to his injury-free best, staying up the front the whole time. After a leisurely walk around the oval the boys head off for a spot of lunch, which is what I also do. ​

Happy for us to draft him on his name alone.

What do you call Jake Stringer ? Stringer was listed at 191 cm, Francis is 190 and a far better high mark. Stringer isn't a key forward and nor is he a great contested mark. He's a dangerous "third tall", who kicked over 50 goals by using his smarts, excellent leading patterns and explosive ground level play. He was taken at pick 5. I think you pick based on talent and ability to impact games of football.

Nearly 1/3 of road accident fatalities involve an alcohol impaired driver. Yeah, heaps of "fun".

I actually think it's one of his better ones. If you've got your driver's license, you've got a responsibility to not put others in danger by consuming too much alcohol and then getting behind the wheel. If you're heading out and plan on drinking, don't drive. If you end up drinking too much when you're out and you have your car with you, take a taxi, call a friend/family member for a ride, or stay at a friend's place. I've had too many drinks on many occasions, but I have never and will never drive drunk.

Have a look at the bloke in your profile picture. Weight means far less than whether they can play.

He's back. Quigley's Draft Rankings He'll get some wrong and plenty won't agree, but he has an exceptional eye for talent.

Born 21 November 1915 at Clifton Hill. Demon legend. Hoping the Curse had a 50 year use-by on it.

Yeah, poor buggers.

Parish might not test elite class for pace but he's quick. By that I mean everything he does is in super quick mode; his reactions, his thought processes and his decision making. They're all uncanny and instinctively move him to where the ball is so he appears to have more pace than he actually possesses (but he's not slow over the ground anyway). He's a footballer and my only reservation is whether he can bring that package with him into the AFL game. Toumpas who was a different type in many ways, couldn't bring his particular game to AFL level and before him, the same could be said of Blease.

I didn't. And a quick internet search shows Ed Curnow listed in several Indigenous players listings but also not mentioned in Carlton articles about Betts/Yarran/Garlett and talk about him being Mauritian. As far as I care the Curnow's are from Geelong. I consider that a separate racial grouping.

A comparable player to Parish is Heppell. He was recruited as a lightly framed ball magnet, and has become an adept clearance player, because as you say, he's on the move at stoppages.

https://youtu.be/kHULjJKVb78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHULjJKVb78 @ 5.30 but enjoy the whole thing

RB, your reaction to others (incl recruiters and media) is a bit hyperbolic curnow did a dumb thing at exactly the wrong time and got deserved criticism all this did was just raise a red flag re his character......reasonable interested club recruiters will now have to do a bit more due diligence, including talking to him, his manager and maybe others they will then make a decision to re-evaluate this taking into account many things there is no reason to be sure they will write him off just purely on this incident i wouldn't assume melbourne or essendon (or whoever) won't select him if that was their original intention or that he will necessarily slip down the order i'm sure the recruiters will give him fair consideration taking into account all they can find about him and not just this incident in isolation if melbourne or essendon don't pick him you still won't know if that incident was the deciding factor. some phantom drafts don't have him in the top 10 anyway. looking at all the phantom drafts and best ranking they seem to be all over the place this year

We'll get a few days of speculation for our Pick 6 in the rookie draft.

This kid is getting more heat then hodge who being a captain should be getting much more heat, answer me this question if hodge wanted a trade would the same posters say no because he is a drink driver.

it is not a question of lying, I don't think they (the players, as opposed to Hird, Essendon and their PR machine) would do that. It is a question of not telling the whole truth as clearly happened at the AFL Tribunal particularly after "friends of Hird" managed to nobble/incentivise key witnesses (however you want to put it) into not appearing when their intention originally was to be there.This whole episode has been riddled with distortions, lies, cover ups, destruction of evidence, spurious legal actions - all designed to stop the truth from coming out and to protect Essendon and the personal interests of James Hird. And let's be honest about it, the players in the name of solidarity, have largely gone along with this charade. All I am saying that at least with some, they might come out at CAS and tell what actually went on. As for the others, no doubt they have been well briefed and coached by the ESENDON/Hird PR and legal teams (don't for one moment think this does not go on, because it does -often, and the people Hird/Essendon has employed around him are extremely good at it) to say as little as possible. That is what Richard Young is for though, to break down that facade, and use his forensic cross examination skills to get to the truth. That is one of the principle reasons l am so confident about the outcome in this, in spite of some on here accusing me both in posts and via email of being prone to hyperbole and distortion. Most of what I have predicted on here has come true, and it will here.

Ted, joining the dots, and based on certain expectations of senior figures in sports administration and legal circles. Beyond that, I am not prepared to elaborate. There is always an element of speculation in this because as I understand the process the Arbitrators will not have yet come to a decision, at least officially, but I do know what the expectations of WADA are in this. As I have said many times on here, CAS is an independent body, and their arbitrators are highly distinguished individuals usually from legal circles, and they will make their own minds up based on the evidence before them. But I also know what the consensus is from equally distinguished and credible circles is who are close to this whole process, and it ain't pretty for either the AFL or the Bombers

Stretch, Brayshaw, OMac, White, Vandenberg and Harmes have all put on significant size! All looking fit and strong.

Don't worry he will be fine once he gets on an AFL list, is treated like a god in pubs and clubs and has a couple of 100k a year and plenty of free time to use it. The intimations that he was lazy and not very driven were already almost enough for me but now I really hope we don't take him even at 7.

I have never driven drunk because im not a [censored] moron

Looking back on some of the daft things I did as a kid I've got no right to call Charlie a DH. I'm just groaning at the timing of it.

With all the talk about us potentially looking at Weideman which i prefer we didn't, there is a kid by the name of Wylie Buzza who has just as much potential as Sam does. Started only playing at 15 he is a big 199cm 98kg power forward who can go into the ruck. Very athletic in the Ben Brown moukd for his strong contested marking and athletic ability. Played for QLD in the under 18 championships and kicked 9 goals from 4 games. Played 4 TAC games and kicked 10 with 5 against Oakleigh Chargers. I hope we go Parish and Oliver with picks 3 and 7 and then go for Buzza at our 3rd pick and power forward for Hogan. Is physically ready to go unlike Weideman who will need a couple of years to build his body up. Because of his ability to play ruck he would be ideal to ruck up forward and give Gawn a chop out when needed.

well there you go, i didn't even know (if he is) that he was indigenous i must look at people's skin more closely in future, eh?

That's his only option in my opinion. He's certainly no mid. Curnow is interesting. If you listen to Brett Anderson he's very highly rated in club land, but not so much by amateur observers.

I'm not saying he's the worst bloke ever, it's a dumb mistake. But for Deeluded to say he likes it because it shows the kid is a "risk taker who likes a bit of fun" is incredibly stupid.

The problem here is that the title of your topic seems to be inferring that the issue is with Martin Flanagan, when in actual fact the issue is the rejection of your emailed response; hardly Flanagan's fault. Have you tried contacting The Age (by phone) to see if they are aware of the problem (or even post on their Facebook page)?

he's got most of the tools including a fierce competitiveness i'm really looking forward to watching his progress over the next 10 years

Talented 3rd tall from what I, and he, can see but applying that any other position is not easy, and I am adamant that 3rd talls should not be taken in the first ten picks. If we get him we are picking on his talent being translatable and I hate when we make 'faith calls' like that.

I agree with everything except this last sentence, I can't wait to be put out of my misery! On Francis when I first found out we were trying to trade up for pick 3, I was convinced he was the reason why- just because his competitiveness and size exactly fits our drafting profile under Roos.

Similar to others I have no idea and it is probably the least exposed I have been to the players available in the last decade. However I don't care because for the first time in a long time I have 100% faith that we have a clear direction (a real red and blue print) as well as staff who know how to recruit and develop young men. Again as mentioned by others the apparent lack of leaks and anyone having a clue what we are doing again speaks to the level of professionalism now at our club. For the record I hope for a combo of 2 of Parish, Weideman and Francis but would still be excited that the skill set that Oliver or Milera bring if we pick them we will get to reach it's potential. Curnow I think has too many hints to his character both in this weeks incident as well as mentions of his level of application for me to think we will take him. Cant wait to see what we actually do.

Does this mean we can get discounts on cheap suits and smokes?

Bontempelli in his draft year took a huge leap u the ranks at a similar time out from the draft like Oliver has. Similarly, he hadn't been one who had announced himself a long way out like a Parish, Weitering, Schache, etc.

You really must stop joining these two bodies together. It does your argument no good. They are not a united front, one is an independent arbitrator.

Oliver at 24? Olisik will scream conspiracy. Interesting read though. As others have stated he doesn't rate Weideman or Curnow highly and makes a decent case as to why he doesn't. Interested to see how it plays out on draft night.

Great read, but from our perspective, I hope he's wrong with his assessment that this draft is shallow with top end talent. I seem to be the only one who questions our decision to trade next year's 1st pick.

Really? A P plate driver with very little experience of driving on the roads, out and about in the early hours and one assumes either alcohol or drug affected (because obviously if that were not the case he'd happily take a breath test) and you don't think there is potential he was putting others lives at risks? Really?

I just had a read of the thread at the time - very few were critical of the trade. Most saw it for how it was: a talented player who had lost his way, that filled a need in the side and came very cheaply. I think there's always a chance he'll lose his way again, but hopefully we've got the right leadership at the club to keep him on track. He was awesome this year, I had always thought of him as a bit of a downhill skiier, but his pressure inside 50 was a feature in conjunction with his class use of the ball. Definitely one of the biggest trade bargains I've seen in my lifetime so far.

Stretch is looking a lot bigger now... https://www.instagram.com/p/-Qrv6MKxiT/

With all due respect, what any of us or our mates may have done as 18 year olds is just irrelevant. None of us were on the verge of lucrative careers as professional athletes. He's in the system, and has been for some time. He knows what's involved. Beggars belief.

Do we seriously suggest that with the Essendon players under oath, the club locked out of proceedings, and therefore the intimidation factor gone (although I do admit the players association is a constant presence and they appear to be in the Pay of Hird and Little), that there will not be at least some of the players who tell it as it was, particularly those at the periphery. They have already courageously started to emerge, positioning themselves for the pay day in front of them. Essendon in the face of the CAS/WADA force will not be able to resist the wall falling down, and I have no doubt at least some of the players will have told the truth about what happened to CAS. You only need one or two, and the whole edifice crumbles.....

He's 18 and does a dickhea d act. I'm a number of decades older and still do dickhea d acts. Give the kid a chance. He might just learn a lesson.

Was there also Tas Great report I spoke to Trenners and wished him well. He appears to be moving and running very easily looks pretty fit for this stage of his recovery. Also Jones was with the rehab group and looked to be moving and participating in kicking and marking without problems. The whole group seemed to be in great spirits and lots of banter could be heard. Hogan is such a competitor its scary!

Easily the best trade (excluding free agents) from last year in terms of what he cost and what we got in return.

Good point...this year they learnt from their mistake and went after Yarran. The difference: Garlett - pick # - who knows... Yarran - pick # 19 It will never cease to amaze me the bargain Garlett was for us. His comments echo the good vibe coming from our young brigade. I know 'words are cheap' etc but good attitudes are infectious and I have a sense this team will work for each other on and off the field. A long, long time since players worked for each other. Can't wait to see Jeff kick 50 and watch our team develop! The ball is their court...they are the only ones that can make their premiership dream come true!!