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I don't barrack for a business. I don't go to the football to follow a corporate entity. I don't sit in the rain on a freezing Sunday evening watching my investments go around. I follow the young men who wear the Red and the Blue. Simplistically I expect their loyalty and in return they will have mine. When they prove beyond doubt their love for the colours that I I adore, I expect my club to treat them with the respect and loyalty that they deserve. In many ways Trengove has put the clubs interests before his own, and has suffered the consequences. Players of this calibre are very rare indeed and their worth cannot be underestimated. Jimmy Mac was one such player and I believe Jack Trengove is another. Lets not make the same mistake twice. The biggest myth of all is that Football is a business. Football is not a business. Football is a passion and passion is not a tradable commodity that can be bought and sold. Jack Trengove has an undeniable passion for the Melbourne Football Club and Jack Trengove deserves our loyalty.

What ever happens this better bloody work.

Roos and PJ promised us that they needed to change the culture of this club....Well this is what it looks like!!!....Get used to it if you want success, or perhaps more years of mediocrity suits?? The fact that the club has publicised the "possible" trade is all part of a well thought out campaign to get members used to the situation, before it happens. Same tactic as was used to "ensure" a pick 3 for Frawley. Let the rabble run out of steam and when decision time comes it is a foregone conclusion. For those that place value on where a player was originally picked up in the draft, not on his current value then perhaps you would consider drafting Col Sylvia back! The reality is best seen over at "The Punt Road End", the Richmond fan-site. They are NOT too enamoured by the deal proposed because they think Richmond are paying overs. The real value of the player is somewhere between what people HERE think and what the Toigyes supporters think....yes it's probably Trengove + 23 for pick 12....exactly what has been proposed! Like Baghdad Bob, if I were Trenners manager I would be advising him to take up the deal. Probably 3 years and on good money. If the foot doesn't come good at Richmond in 2015 then he still gets paid for 3 years. If the foot doesn't come good at Melbourne, then he probably won't have a job come years end.

I've read most of this thread but not all so apologies if this has been said. If I was Trengove's manager I'd tell him to jump at the Richmond offer. Unlike others I'm in the boat that says Trengove is an average footballer never likely to be and A grader. He's a marking small IMO and will struggle to find a role in a team. I've always thought this but was convinced when I sat in the Southern Stand and watched Brock out pace him to a loose ball. Trengove's initial reaction would always have been to stayed at MFC, he's that sort of bloke, but I think it's in his best interest to leave. If he has an uninterrupted season in 2015 and fails to improve much he's shot in terms of future value. His "blue sky" will have evaporated and his future will be mediocre at best. Those hanging on to the "now he's fit" theory should keep in mind his underwhelming 2012 and 2013. If he goes to the Tigers he'll get at least a 3 year contract on good coin - they obviously rate him. He'll leave behind toxic memories of mismanagement he endured at MFC and he'll leave behind all the expectations placed on him by us. He'll go to a club that has played finals for two years, he'll be surrounded by much better players and he'll have a longer, better contract. I have upmost respect for Jack but reality is he's been a bitter disappointment a far as output goes. I hope wherever he ends up he succeeds. But I think it's in his interest to go and in our interest to trade him regardless of whether the trade in part of a "bigger picture".

Minor quibble, but I hate comments like this. For every person flying off the handle, there are three reasonable posts stating their case, on both sides. Notwithstanding the fact that it's okay to get emotional and upset if an idea strikes a nerve. It would be a pretty boring forum if everyone had the same reaction to news

They better get this right. That's the guts of my opinion. I want to get better and we are rumoured to be moving on two blokes with feet issues on good coin who played a total of 2 games last season. I understand the desire to get some output for your outlay. But clubs are funny things, they drive and thrive on emotion and just because you were apart of the failed times, doesn't mean you can't be apart of the success. This smacks me as a cog in a larger plan or they really like this Lever kid who might be there around ND12. They better get this right.

I agree, and I agree that it would be the best thing for Jack too. I am uncomfortable with the idea of trading a player who has been genuinely loyal, but it is definitely the right thing to do from an unemotional perspective. I just wish it wasn't.

We've been a bottom team for years now and need to shake the place up and do some drastic things......were not playing happy campers here, it's about being a feared football side once again, and some people are probably going to get hurt along the way.

I'm amazed at people not thinking this is part of a bigger deal. Out of curiousity, if this move leads us to our next premiership and a Beams or Dangerfield leads that charge, does that change people's view? Or are we all ok with not winning a premiership in 50 years, as long as we stay a "loyal" club?

Away from the computer to receive my jumper for winning the flag with my team up here and come back to this? Jeez... Makes me feel ill. Trengove running around with Dusty with Jake King watching on? I just threw up in my mouth. This better work. I know good culture - this hurts, they better Get.This. Right.

Found this on bigfooty.. Is it at all likely we are working behind the scenes with GWS to secure a Dom Tyson type deal? Has anyone of any significance to Collingwood or Melbourne even mentioned Dayne Beams in regards to this? I did post on here a day or so after the Dees b&f that I had a good chat with Dom Tyson. He fairly much assured me the Dees will be picking up Frost(which he is very good mates with). This was weeks before trade week. He also told me to watch this space in regards to another GWS player(midfield gun - his words, not mine) that we are very much into and trying to get to the club. He did say he is mates with Greene and would love to have him at the club, but didn't say whether he was the player in question. I'm not so sure on this Beams rumour. The Dom Tyson deal came out of nowhere last year, so there is a fair chance a similar deal may be happening. Interesting I wonder if pick 12 could be packaging up with a pick 3 or 2 for maybe a Dylan Shiel type or Trelor?

Stop talking sense, it is often not accepted on here.I like Jack and also would be very sad if he goes, but I can't disagree with anything you have said if viewed dispassionately. We all thought our club was crap. We brought in Roos and PJ to fix it. We all trust them. They are charged with making our list a finals list. Many on here are happy for the words but not the actions if a favourite player is involved. It is simple really, let them do the job or sack them and get someone who will keep our favourite players. I look at it this way. Roos must have a fair idea of what Trenners is capable of and his fitness status. How do we know he didn't say to JT this is your last year with us for whatever reason, but I can get you a longer contract for more money and at a finals side, where you can play without the number 2 pick baggage and JT said fine. I have endured 50 years of waiting without a flag and don't have another 50 left, so I have faith in Roos to get the job done. I can see some more blokes going as well by the way. If we get to the finals and become a good club again, that will be the result of many hard decisions, upsetting some or many along the way. Finally I am not thrilled with JT and 23 for 12 but maybe a sweetener can be added. Buckle up, next week could be a bumpy ride.

What do people think our players are actually worth, in terms of a draft pick? If I was trading for Trenners I wouldn't give up anything more than pick 25 for him. About the same for Toump. Watts is too subjective. I'm not touching that one. We'll be lucky to get a tatts ticket for Blease, Strauss or Tappy. I wish people would stop telling us what these blokes cost us at the draft. It's about what they're worth now.

I've grown to hate this thread.

Furious if the club goes for this, Jack is owed one season by the club to show what he can do injury free. Otherwise this is like us shafting Junior. Trengove has done everything right in terms of attitude and training and i firmly believe he will become a star. Not even for Dangerfield do i want this.

Ive noticed a few posters here (and some media people) say that Trengove had a great debut season and then fell away Well his 2nd season was a lot better than his debut season,l so either people have bad memories or are just lazy and copy whats written in the paper or on twitter in his 2nd season he averaged all career highs, with 20.4 touches, 5.3 tackles, 13 goals 11 behinds, and was looking like he was set for stardom He then went backwards in 2012, which was either because of the burden of captaincy, a mystery foot ailment or the arrival of Neeld or all of the above But please think twice before saying he had a great first year then did nothing, cos its just wrong. His 2nd season was his best by far.

Goodness me, is Dangerfield a Demon yet? I can't keep opening this thread. Just cut out the middle man, give Adelaide 2, 23, Trengove and Toumpas for Dangerfield, Lyons and 10, then hurl 3 and 10 to Collingwood for Beams and 48, then 48 to GWS for Frost, Clark on his bike for Lumumba and 55, head to the draft with 55 and change for Stretch and Jetta. Robert's your uncle, Franny's your aunt.

I'd trade almost every player on the list for the right price. And that price is that we become a better team for the trade. I don't want to lose Jack. I really don't. And I'd be filthy if it was just for a pick on some 17 year old, but if it lands us an A grader then I say do it.

As requested I have copy and pasted this post over to this thread. As requested I'll provide a write up on my take of the Thymosin beta 4 over the coming week. Originally posted here: http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37454-afl-involved-in-port-adelaideessendon-draft-rort/page-7 ------ As I made it clear on here a couple times, I am a Biochemist. I have spent years and years working in a lab and going through the scientific literature, although my work and field revolves around cancer or more specifically the processes and mechanisms of cancer invasion. So when the names of the agents or peptides were released the first thing I did was look them up on the appropriate databases where they would have been originally published in peer reviewed journals (PubMed, Web of Science, etc.) - Not Google which cites websites created by the likes of you and I. So with regards to my scientific background it's actually quite easy for me to read the scientific literature (on new or different drugs) and incorporate or adapt my broad understanding of the molecular signalling pathways (of a cell) that contribute to a range of physiological functions within the body (e.g. muscular hypertrophy and lipolysis). Now aside from the concepts of "cheating" or "lack of governance" - for what the Essenond football club has been punished for, what has concerned me far more is the simple fact that very little is known about the long term effects of these drugs. The drugs injected have been poorly characterized and like that of AOD-9604 potentially carcinogenic. For example the peptide (a small sequence of amino acids - the natural building blocks of proteins) AOD-9604 was designed to mimic the active site of the Human Growth Hormone (HGH) that has been scientifically supported on numerous occasions to increase the risks of cancer with those that use it in an overexpressed fashion (like that of gym junkies, not necessarily those with a deficiency). (NOTE: Active site = part that interacts with the receptor, in this case the cellular growth factor receptor (GFR) that initiates an internal (cellular) signalling cascade) Originally the general design concept behind AOD-9604 was to develop a form of the HGH with fewer side effects by essentially removing the overall protein and other protein-protein interactive sites to only leave the region that performs it's main function - the "active site", this could potentially be a welcome addition for those requiring HGH supplementation due to a deficiency. However, the links to the HGH and cancer are most likely due to the overexpression of the downstream GFR pathways - not the additional regulatory regions of the protein, so there is probably a similar trend with AOD-9604. Although "probably" is just as much the problem, the fact is we don't know enough about the long term side effects of it, and Essendon chose to inject the players whilst going against the opinions of the club doctor and other medicos (those most highly qualified) potentially putting the players long term health at risk. Whether ASADA sent an email confirming or denying it on the band substances list is beside the point, alternatively Mark "Bomber" Thompson's claims that it doesn't cause cancer is a blatant lie, he has no clue. Now lets get onto the injection of pig brain lysate the alleged biochemist Dank stated he used on the players. First things first it's from a pig, in no way will this give any form of performance enhancement, it will only increase the bodies natural immune response to generate antibodies as it's from a foreign organism (pig/ porcine) and again place the players at risk of developing long term health issues like prion disease (e.g. mad cows disease and kuru) as it's raw brain extract. Secondly to that this tells me Dank is and never was a biochemist like myself or my colleges, even the earliest of biochemists (honours students) would learn and pick up on something like this quite quickly within their starting careers. At the very most I can presume Dank has himself a degree in Science where he majored in Biochemistry - most likely graduating with D's, he has then gone to the Essendon football club, gained authority and injected the players with a number of poorly characterized and hazardous substances. This is the equivalent of getting a kid out of high school having done year 12 wood work and putting him on a building site as the foreman. So there again is that lack of governance that Essendon has been punished for but what's worse is the lack of duty of care and long term well being of the players health that no the club has not been properly punished for. So it is my opinion that Paddy Ryder and any other player at the club can exercise their right to terminate their contract with the Essendon football club as they did not maintain their duty of care by placing the players long term health at risk, this must occur in every workplace across the country. Essendon should consider itself lucky that they are getting any form of trade as he can simply walk out, become a free agent and Essendon would be powerless to gain any form of compensation.

You want to look back and see just how ruthless Norm Smith was. You could be good. You could be very good. But if he didn't think you'd stand up on Grand Final day and help us win another flag, then you were out the door and replaced by someone he thought could. Football has always been a ruthless sport. Good players chase cash and success, good clubs do whatever it takes - regardless of sentimentality - to build the best team. It's been happening for almost as long as the game has existed. If trading Trenners gets us a better team then we would be mad not to do it. If it doesn't then we are silly to try it. That's all the really matters. It's all that has ever mattered in this sport. So the only question is: will we be a better team for such a trade this time next year?

Remember that last great game Trenners played? Yeah, me neither. Hilarious to me that Richmond want him. Most of my family are toothless toigs and all I hear from them is they need pace. Well the anti-pace superstar ain't gunna help. Oh but a pre season... Etc... I'd do this trade just to do this trade. If it got us Beams I'd need new pants. One of my favourite players. Any other good midfielder, well I'd enjoy that too. We're slow enough as is, I shudder to think about Trenners coming back and slowing us down even more. He's a good kid, and he's hard at it, but he has no damaging skills to be anywhere near an untouchable. People put too much stock into what he might've been. Haven't we done that enough with the likes of Trapper, Sylvia, Watts etc... The more change the better for mine.

Can't see why Beams is Clark 2.0. Different person, different brain, different personal circumstances. I'm all for learning from the past, but the only thing to learn from that particular past is that Clark is a douche. The rest is irrelevant.

With the inclusion of Garlett i would love to see Kent spend more time in the center circle and around the wings. I believe his pace and powerful strength would be real asset in and around the stoppages as he is able to break away and kick long goals as he showed this year. He was originally drafted as a midfielder because he won the Jack Clarke Medal as a solid inside midfielder in the colts which is equivalent to the Brownlow. He missed all of the pre season due to a knee injury so that really halted his first half of the year but i thought he showed real promise towards the end of the year. Still needs to work on his consistency but that will come with more experience. Looking forward to him having his first full pre season as i believe he has huge potential and probably goes a bit underrated compared to the likes of Tyson Viney Salem JKH Toumpas... I love how he backs himself and takes the game on with his blistering speed something that we could use in the midfield. I just would love to see him move up field with short burst up forward aswell. Thoughts?

That midfield gets you in the 8

These aren't the Crows you're looking for.

I hate the idea of trading Trengove. Even more, I hate the idea that we might actually take the pick we would bank for him to the draft. I can't see a Dangerfield trade happening. Losing Frawley and Trengove for a new pair of speculative kids doesn't excite me at all. Our list feels far worse right at the minute than it did 12 months ago.

Only makes sense in the context of enabling us to do a deal for a genuine game changing A-grader... If so, I'm truly sorry for Trenners, he's done his best and been a loyal member of the club. Some decisions are hard to make, but need to be made none the less.

What a mega deal. We'd be laughing. Couldn't dream of a better outcome. Shiel and Prestia next year. No, hang on. This is exactly what supporting a club means, BBO. You support the club. Not one player. The old adage: no one player is bigger than the club. I love Trenners, but if his trade nets us an A grader, we'd be [censored] not to do it.

Trengove dominated in this pre-season game against the Tigers ... I remember thinking he was back in business and commented as such at the time... maybe they thought the same? Match report and stats ... Melbourne 1 13 11 98 defeated Richmond 1 10 15 84 Trenners ... 29 disposals ... 13 marks ... ran to position well all night and was arguably best on ground ... only 8 months ago. So often a team will go after a player who plays well against them. This bloke could burn us if we let him go. There are others who I'd let go before him.

Jealousy? I always admired Essendon under Sheedy. The club was strong and resilient. It won its share of flags and yes, it knocked us around in that last grand final back in 2000. It's what you expect in such a game. I only started to dislike them more lately as they became arrogant and cocky and, when the supplements scandal deepened and I looked into and began to understand what the club had done to the game, to its players and to its supporters, I came to despise them as the quintessential cheats who were remorseless and who conducted themselves with a sense of entitlement. This was no better brought home than with their decision to extend James Hird's coaching contract in the wake of the governance sanctions against the club including Hird's twelve month suspension. The news of him being paid during that period took me to a point where I held the club in contempt and the high point of the year for me this year was when we beat them after Christian Salem's goal. But jealous? Yes, in one respect: the way their players who had every reason to shut up shop and repay the club in kind for what it did to them, continued to put their very best out on the field far more often than not. They never gave up and won enough games to qualify for the finals for two years under tremendous adversity. Yep. I'm jealous of that because over the past four or five years I've seen plenty of Melbourne's players giving up without a whimper when the going got tough. For everything that happened to them, the Bombers never produced bruise-free football, never gave in like we did in 186 and on a dozen other occasions when we put in some of the most insipid, half-hearted, lifeless and indisciplined efforts. Sure, "jealous" probably describes it.

Could be an unlikely Mel Gibson-Danny Glover type friendship.

I'd like to see Melbourne trade for Beams if for no other reason than to see the massive tanty Greg Swann would throw when pick 3 is included in the deal.

There's more to a club and more to a playing list than cold numbers. Trengove is loved and respected by the group and has always been outspokenly loyal about the club. Commitment and culture is a two way street and a trade like this has potential to punch a hole in the playing list.

Extended his contract when Scully took the money and ran. Accepted the captaincy when we were at our lowest. A role model on the training track and originally injured his foot doing non-compulsory preseason training sessions. Even the article sights him as being 'reluctant' to move to Richmond. I don't get overly worked up about list decisions the club makes - but this one would do my head in. This is like trading Woewodin all over again.

The Bombers are surprised that players want to leave after drugging their players? They place an absurdly high price on Ryder, that nobody would pay? But don't worry the AFL steps in and just hands them pick? They have brought the into disputed by systematically cheating, but are rewarded with a pick higher than the value of the player their losing? Clark retired due to illness, then 6 months later he has an amazing recovery!! Announces he wants to play again, just not with us? Greenwood has one good season, and then holds North over a barrel? Walks to Collingwood!! Griffin walks out on Footscray, because he doesn't like the coach? He's the bloody captain!! Frawley pretends he is considering his options all year, when we all knew he had already agreed to go to hawthorn, then goes to hawthorn? Trengove gives hope to fans by signing an extension, at the clubs darkest hour. He's then bestowed with the pressure of leading this mess up the ladder, while playing with an undiscovered foot injury... He never considers leaving? But the club is considering him for trade? This game is out of control!! Players are switching clubs for money, without even a one second of thought... The rules have been made so complicated that it's becoming hard to follow, and easier to fix... Umpiring decisions are openly corrupted, but are hardly ever questioned... 150/120 year old clubs that should be heritage listed, are frowned upon and discarded for americanised plastic franchises... The governing body make favourable decision for a selected few clubs, that they have invested interest in... They change and bend rules at will without fear of being exposed... They control public opinion via the media, who all push their agenda... Any paper, radio station and Internet site that run AFL stories, are under AFL control... this is how they get away with unjustified decision that they make... if they want something controversial to slip through the net, then they'll get their puppets to push there agenda, sometimes months in advance... The greed and money grubbing is disgusting and I never thought I'd ever say this, but if this is the modern game? Then I don't think I like it... Premierships are won and lost in shady back room deals?

Reports are that he isn't happy about a move but won't block the trade. That sounds like Trenners to me.

3 & 12 for Beams & 48 2 & Toumpas/Watts for Dangerfield Jeezus now you blokes have got me indulging in these fantasy trades, will be a good few days having these delusions dancing round my head til I come thudding back to earth...

I am strongly against trading him! He is the kind of person that should be a one club player and he has stuck up for the dees through thick and thin! He is a true clubman! I messaged the MFC Facebook page and expressed my feelings against trading him!

When we hit rock bottom, after a year of media floggings over Scully and tanking... Trengove stood up... he signed an extension for us when he didn't have too, He gave us hope in our darkest hour... He committed to us...We then went on to stripped the team of the remaining senior players we had, with the idea of getting games into our young players.. We used Trengove as the pin up boy for all our future hopes and dreams, by forcing him into the captaincy and lumping way to much pressure on him...farout!! He hadn't even worked his own game out yet and we wanted him to lead an AFL team out of the pit!! Thats a tough job even for a senior player, let alone a second year player... It is probably the most ridiculously flawed plan ever tried... A fantasy... To attempt to try and recreate the norm smith era...pfft... What were they thinking? It's not the bloody 1950's, just give kids games isn't going to turn them into champions? This is the dumbest strategy ever!! We left our young players massively exposed and the only thing we achieved was destroying any of the confidence they had and Trengove was wearing it all... He was carrying a debilitating foot injury into game, because scans weren't showing a problem and Neeld was leaning on him to play.... What the? Did Neeld think he'd just makeup the pain so he didn't have to play? His word isn't good enough? He was bullied into playing with a debilitating foot injury, because he was captain and slapped by supporters for losing his speed, intensity and acceleration... And now!! After all the [censored] he's been put through, he still wants to stay and we are consider him for trade? I don't give a [censored] about helping out the bombers with there over priced [censored] deal or collingwood with their crappy deal they can [censored] off!!! We owe this kid!!! and if the club goes through with this trade, then they can go and get [censored]!!!

If Trengove has considered this in the best interests of the MFC then he will forever be an admired player in my view. A young man of real values.

Unfortunately I'm too young to have watched Robbie play. My dad talks about him as the singular reason why he watched the Dees throughout all those horrible years. As he says, "as bad as Melbourne were, without fail every week Robbie would do something to make you come back the next week". Flanagan is, yet again, spot on.

Again, Martin Flanagan encapsulates, expresses and delivers the essence of the subject that he has chosen to write about. Is there a contemporary journalist who does it better? Thank you Martin.

Thanks WJ. "Yet, by all accounts, around the club, he was just another person. When Melbourne's long-time doorman Arthur Wilkinson had a period when he couldn't drive, it was Flower, the Melbourne captain, who picked him up each night before training and took him home". So many great stories have emerged over the past week.

I'd say the club has both options on the boil - it's possible they're both right. Watching this drag out for another week is going to kill me.

Who the hell needs the real season? This off season stuff is way better. Time to abolish those stupid home and away games.

To help people make a balanced view of all this, I can reveal that the Demons are looking to trade into the Top 15 in order to offer two first round picks, in this case 3, 12, for Dayne Beams. Paul Connors has conceded that Brisbane is not an unlikely option for Dayne now, and you will notice that Collingwood are now publicly reporting they are open to other offers for Dayne. Melbourne is asking for pick 48 in return from Coll, and this is believed to be enough to get Sam Frost into the club. It's believed Collingwood will only have 4 picks at the draft this year, and with 3, Moore, 12 and 30, then 48 may not be required anyhow. However there is work to be done to convince Dayne to accept terms with another Vic club, but I'm confident in what I'm hearing that remaining @ Collingwood is now his last resort. Pick 3, 12 for Beams and 48 Or in effect Frawley, Trengove and pick 23 for Beams and Frost How does that look everyone? Win wins around I think... My credibility in all this? I can't give away my place of employment but im in regular contact with Connors Sports Management, Dayne's management group, and have been particular busy today as his future today included Melbourne entering the picture... Plenty to play out but the above will become public knowledge soon enough I'm sure, happy to give my fellow Demonlanders the marginal heads up first

Everyone universally agrees that for MFC to move up the ladder it needs to completely alter the constitution of it's list. It's bemusing there is outrage at upsetting the status quo when that is practically what is attempting to be achieved. The list is unbalanced and the constitution of it needs to change so that we can play FINALS again. These are clever football men in charge. A good Melbourne player is not necessarily of AFL standard. Look at 2nd and 3rd in the 2013 B and F. We are rooted if we don't compare our list to the best in the league.

Something big must be going down for Melbourne to entertain the idea. Until we know what the club has in mind you can only judge this on the face of it and that is that it's a pretty ordinary deal.

Cheers Barry.

I'm not writing to abuse you, however I will happily have a debate with you. As I made it clear on here a couple times, I am a Biochemist. I have spent years and years working in a lab and going through the scientific literature, although my work and field revolves around cancer or more specifically the processes and mechanisms of cancer invasion. So when the names of the agents or peptides were released the first thing I did was look them up on the appropriate databases where they would have been originally published in peer reviewed journals (PubMed, Web of Science, etc.) - Not Google which cites websites created by the likes of you and I. So with regards to my scientific background it's actually quite easy for me to read the scientific literature (on new or different drugs) and incorporate or adapt my broad understanding of the molecular signalling pathways (of a cell) that contribute to a range of physiological functions within the body (e.g. muscular hypertrophy and lipolysis). Now aside from the concepts of "cheating" or "lack of governance" - for what your club has been punished for, what has concerned me far more is the simple fact that very little is known about the long term effects of these drugs. The drugs injected have been poorly characterized and like that of AOD-9604 potentially carcinogenic. For example the peptide (a small sequence of amino acids - the natural building blocks of proteins) AOD-9604 was designed to mimic the active site of the Human Growth Hormone (HGH) that has been scientifically supported on numerous occasions to increase the risks of cancer with those that use it in an overexpressed fashion (like that of gym junkies, not necessarily those with a deficiency). (NOTE: Active site = part that interacts with the receptor, in this case the cellular growth factor receptor (GFR) that initiates an internal (cellular) signalling cascade) Originally the general design concept behind AOD-9604 was to develop a form of the HGH with fewer side effects by essentially removing the overall protein and other protein-protein interactive sites to only leave the region that performs it's main function - the "active site", this could potentially be a welcome addition for those requiring HGH supplementation due to a deficiency. However, the links to the HGH and cancer are most likely due to the overexpression of the downstream GFR pathways - not the additional regulatory regions of the protein, so there is probably a similar trend with AOD-9604. Although "probably" is just as much the problem, the fact is we don't know enough about the long term side effects of it, and your club chose to inject the players whilst going against the opinions of the club doctor and other medicos (those most highly qualified) potentially putting your players long term health at risk. Whether ASADA sent an email confirming or denying it on the band substances list is beside the point, alternatively Mark "Bomber" Thompson's claims that it doesn't cause cancer is a blatant lie, he has no clue. Now lets get onto the injection of pig brain lysate the alleged biochemist Dank stated he used on the players. First things first it's from a pig, in no way will this give any form of performance enhancement, it will only increase the bodies natural immune response to generate antibodies as it's from a foreign organism (pig/ porcine) and again place the players at risk of developing long term health issues like prion disease (e.g. mad cows disease and kuru) as it's raw brain extract. Secondly to that this tells me Dank is and never was a biochemist like myself or my colleges, even the earliest of biochemists (honours students) would learn and pick up on something like this quite quickly within their starting careers. At the very most I can presume Dank has himself a degree in Science where he majored in Biochemistry - most likely graduating with D's, he has then gone to the Essendon football club, gained authority and injected the players with a number of poorly characterized and hazardous. This is the equivalent of getting a kid out of high school having done year 12 wood work and putting him on a building site as the foreman. So there again is that lack of governance that yes your club has been punished for but what's worse is the lack of duty of care and long term well being of the players health that no your club has not been properly punished for. So it is my opinion that Paddy Ryder and any other player at the club can exercise their right to terminate their contract with the Essendon football club as they did not maintain their duty of care by placing the players long term health at risk, this must occur in every workplace across the country. Your club should consider itself lucky that they are getting any form of trade as he can simply walk out, become a free agent and Essendon would be powerless to gain any form of compensation.