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I just get sick of all the keyboard heroes mindlessly bagging some of our players. Brad Green did not have a consistent year in 2011. Everyone knows that, including him I expect. To be fair, he was not the only player in 2011 to fail to play consistently good football in the way the club would like/expect throughout the year. He also did not seem to handle the Captain gig all that well. But to say he should either accept a year deal or essentially get lost is IMO outrageous. He's clearly still a bloody good player who has loads to offer this club. I also do not want to see the club mishandle another (potentially former) Captain's contract so soon after the Junior debacle. Quite simply, it does not have a good effect on list. Green is a loyal MFC man - he is hard at it and he has regularly turned games on his own boot. I still don't know how he missed AA selection in 2010 - many of his performances were genuinely elite. These facts seem to be missing on some here. And yep - that frustrates me. Apologies if I expressed that in too harsh a manner.

Agree with all but the first and last statements. Another who needs to lift? I think Jared is one of the few players on our list who is presently playing close to their maximum potential. We know he's a limited athlete (lacking speed and size for his position) but he's a courageous and smart footballer who, in my opinion, is getting the best out of himself.

This like button is proving useful. Instead of commenting +1 or that I like what a previous poster is saying I cans simply 'Like' the post. Well done Andy.

I reckon what happens with Davey next year will be interesting. I argued until I was blue in the face last year that he was crucial to our midfield due to his primary weapons being class use of the ball. The club put in some hard yards converting him in to a midfielder and until this year I'd have called it a success. At his best Davey is our best user of the ball and was capable of nailing the foot passes with the highest degree of difficulty. He can also time his runs through packs to perfection. Pacy midfielder who gets plenty of the ball, splits packs and can hit a target even when under extreme pressure - what's not to like? Then this year happened. It's hard to imagine how he could possibly have had a worse year than this year. With his well documented "poor efforts" (being kind), his body language and his general poor form, he burned a great deal of credits with me. I still think there's a place for him in our midfield, but he's coming from a long way back after this year. I think using him as a forward is wasting his primary weapons. BTW he played forward in a couple of games this year and stunk in those too.

pointless exercize - lose/lose

Actually, I think with some of the comments such as "if he doesn't want 1 year, he can have none." you will find that some ARE implying he be delisted if he is not willing to accept one year.

It wouldn't surprise me, based on the appointments so far, if we have 2 coaches per line. A head line coach, like Royal, who is more tactical, providing most of the current roles of an assistant coach like week to week tactics, setups and so forth, and then an assistant line coach, like Greaves, who is more of a development coach for the younger players, teaching them about how to play the game etc. Even if that's not how Neeld is looking to set it up, I quite like the idea. With so many players and so much to do for each line from week to week, having coaches to purely focus on the minute detail of improving each player seems like a smart move.

All of the Green hate in this thread is disgraceful. FFS give the guy a break and sign him up!

You've brightened up my day Tonatopia, thank you! Never thought I'd read "mummies [censored]" on Demonland LOL!!! And the rest of the post was a riot... please post here more

Players from stkilda like Blake, Clarke, mcqualter and dempster would not get a game in our side, however, they drew last year. Collingwood players like Blair, buckley, wood, krackour and Johnson are only avg players. Our team does not have holes. The only hole is in people's mentalities. Too many supporters are pissweak, blindly following what is administered from the top. The strength lies in the roots. Weak supporters must change their [censored] weak mentality. I hope our new coach does not believe we are not good enough, or else we have already lost. So many losers around, it makes me sick. Too many people still sucking on mummies [censored]. Imagine if we went into ww3, it would be like fighting with school girls. Holes in the list is another way of saying, I have not got the tools to turn the list into a champion team.

I like that he hasn't spent a lot of time telling us what he's going to do - he's just doing it. And he knows that in the end he will be judged by the results. Not his intentions.

Think he works for the Howell company , has a girlfriend called Ginger and his best friend is known as the Skipper.

Holes in our list, my arse! Tapscott Garland Rivers Blease Frawley Grimes Davey Moloney Bennell Sylvia Watts Trengove Petterd Jurrah Howe Jamar Trengove Jones Mckenzie Gysberts Wona Jetta and so on...... Neeld, I don't want any excuses. You have a premiership team.

I think we will just put him in the easiest spot to play on the ground - HBF. Like Nasher I have serious misgivings about his leadership and body language. Bad body language by senior players sucks the life out of a team and Green, Davey, and Rivers are awful with it at times.

trigger happy bunch all of a sudden arent we

I met jack at the G before the hawks game this year. this adds nothing to the conversation I know.

It is a rather balmy night in Melbourne.

I'm happy to back him in. He's absolutely smashed some [pretty decent AFL players at Casey when he wasn't injured and could string a few together. Hudson for one. He took on the Hampson/Jacobs double team last year and beat them both. Admittedly, none of them are elite, but all are solid and Hudson was better than average. For a skinny 19 year old to do that is pretty impressive. This year he lost a lot of gametime with injury which has probably set him back, but he's had a taste and knows the sort of speed he needs to work at now. He'll get there.

Yes. Why bother recruiting a 197cm 18 year old at pick 50 if you turf him two years later? What's the effing point? Give him a chance or don't pick him in the first place.

Any call on Fitzy is way way preamture. Whether he does or doesnt make it eventually to even attempt a call at present borders on the ridiculous......actually..it is ridiculous.

I hope H doesn't read this.

Yes, we all have our different opinions. My point is that the "we should hang on to our older stars because of what WCE have managed to do" argument falls flat due to the fact that we don't have Cox, Kerr, or Glass calibre senior players. We are in a false economy, and to equate Green to those champions is deluding ourselves. Love the guy and I hope we work something out but we have to come to grips with reality.

Definite possibility. I can see all of Bate, Warnock and Dunn being given second chances at other clubs.

Congratulations to Brent Moloney - it's been a while since a Demon polled as many votes as he did this year and he did it after overcoming a long run with debilitating injuries.

Put to the sword after ONE game, must be a new record let have a look after 2 games , then we can really decide.

What it says is that Rivers plays a role for our team that is directly under the instruction of the coaches. Because he plays the role that he's asked, the way that he's asked and gets the results that are asked of him, the coaches reward his good team role with votes in the club best and fairest. The coaches know what role he was asked to play and thought he performed that role exactly the way he was asked. In the Brownlow the umpires have no idea what role a player is asked to play. So they give the votes to the player who they notice the most. Generally it isn't the contest killing tall defender. Guess how many votes 2011 All Australian defender Darren Glass got? Between the three key defenders in the 2011 All Australian team (Glass, Reid, Scarlett) they got 4 votes. Glass had zero, Reid had one (for a 31 disposal effort against Hawthorn) and Scarlett three (one three vote game after 29 disposals against Hawthorn).

Isn't that nepotism... That's bad.

When you get to a certain age it is reasonable that players move to one year contracts. Brent Harvey has been on them for ages. Why? Because in a high intensity sport like AFL your performance can drop off really quickly if you lose a bit of pace. Green showed signs this that he was starting to lose a bit of pace and, if it worsens, then he'll struggle top play AFL at all. A one year deal is reasonable and certainly not an insult to Green. If he continues to contribute next year then he'll get another deal.

Definitely Optus. Flying on Telstra 3G and on Cable Internet at home.

Mine is very slow, but I am going to assume it's because Optus are crap.

Replying from my iPhone now...good one!

Definitely worth 2 years. If the Eagles had of applied this type of approach with their veterans over the last couple of years they may well have lost 1 or all of Embley, Glass, Cox, Lynch and Kerr and they all had excellent seasons. Good enough to propel them to a prelim. Brad has been in our best 5 players for for a long time. A 2 year deal for a bloke that won the B&F last year and staved off lucrative offers from Collingwood and Sydney not that long ago to stay with Melbourne when he was in his prime and we were cellar dwellers is hardly selling the farm. As for captaincy, I think he in consultaton witht he FD has earned the right to determine whether it is in the best interests of him as a player and the club to continue as captain in 2012 or handover to someone else.

Now lads. Let take the 9.1 million buy 45000 Melbourne memberships add them to our 40,000 members next year and [censored] of the bombr and the filth. and the moneys is still ours. win win

You seem to consider the likes of RB to be resorting to insults, yet you make accusations of mindlessness on the part of those who disagree with your point of view? And that is ALL it is... a point of view based on one bad season where Green still manged to rank 11th in the Blueys by far better judges of player input and performance than either you or I and still managed to kick 37 goals in what was essentially a year affected by the weight of the captaincy!

The way i see it is a premiership winning team is the team that have its star but more importantly their bottom 6 worst players of the best 22 are the key.

He called him "Omith". Either it was a typo on the card he was given or he needs new glasses.

Jako it is all over now as in todays Hun he says he is staying at the Pies. We still need someone like him because Cook will IMO not make an big contibution before 2014 that is 2 season away. That of course assumes he makes it. Who is going to fill the position in 2012 /3 We need a seasoned forward now!

If an ageing out of form captain is prepared to "walk" for not being offered a two year deal instead of one, then he clearly is not the leader we need!

The AFL panders to Collingwood again. Geelong and Hawthorn get Nil which is fair enough but collingwood get chucked a few Mill and Eddie is complaining.

The knock on Jarrod is that he is mostly terrible as a one on one player. When playing the nick maxwell third man up spoiling role he generally excels.

Dead set, some of you are the most gutless cowards in the world. Brad Green has given much more to this club than you ever will. And to think, many of you have been cheerleaders for number 31 all year, even though all with half a brain knew he was gone and that he had no pulse for this club. There is a reason the MFC is a lightweight club - and it's not because of Jim Stynes or Cameron Schwab or Brad Green. Take a look in the mirror some of you. Sign him up MFC. He deserves it - don't listen to the Kansas end, bottom of the pyramid slice of our supporter base.

good too see jacky boy must have some taste in music too being that hes on the best radio station going around!!!!

As Jimmy's speech is on the Herald Sun site and can be viewed here, I will only post the video of Mark Neeld's speech at the 2011 Best & Fairest Awards Night. Here it is. Excuse the poor quality and sound of knives and forks and all the waiters running around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubc4Tk5XTPs

I just love hearing Jimma use the words "TOUGH" and "TOUGHNESS" repeatedly in his words for Neeld. If anyone knows the definition of those words, it's Jim. Legend.

no.

Does the presence of a 'like' button and most people's natural desire to be liked result in a greater degree of groupthink?

Nice little insight to see how Neeld operates with his players, lets hope this scene can be recreated next year with them both in red&blue.

We need a KPP in every area of the ground imo. Too many role players.

Just want to write this and see what people think... Brad Green has been a Melbourne player since 1999. He has played 241 games. He has won games off his own boot. He has ran with the flight of the ball and nearly killed himself more than once. He turned down more money and success at Collingwood so he could remain a loyal one club player. He has given everything that he possibly could of himself to the Melbourne Football Club. However he had 1 bad year as a captain in 2010. Brad Green may or may not be finished, next year will decide that. But the fact that supporters of the Melbourne Football Club sit in judgement and declare he shouldn't be offered a deal and maybe he should retire is a disgrace. So he wasn't a good captain... Wow then we should delist him. What if Trengove is a bad captain and we suck in '12? What if Frawley is a bad captain and we suck in '12? Just take the captaincy off Greeny, it isn't that hard and it is all the MFC need to do in regards to Green.... Just let him play care free again. Whether he stays or goes, is good or bad, he at the very least deserves the slightest bit of respect. Or do we want another James Mcdonald situation? Pay respect to the people who have come before and what they have done.

You point of boxing camps and familiarisation of MFC history is important however onfield leadership IMHO is 75% most important part of a captains role. Beamer has been really good in some matches but his disappearance in others has been disturbing. Gavin Brown was nowhere near the best footballer at Collingwood but week in and week out he would throw himself on live grenades for the team and the team wanted to follow that man. On Beamers off days I would like to see him do something to influence the team albeit small things - rather than disappear off the face of the earth.