Absolutely well worth the read.

Thanks for that. Absolutely worth a read.

Thanks for posting @dazzledavey36

What a great read. Really underlines the need for a clean slate for the King Era. King presents so well in this and every other piece of media I have seen.

No expectations on where we end up this year. But it looks like footy will be enjoyable again

Agreed. Have been impressed by Smith, Guerra and King since they’ve all stepped in. Easy to criticize what they haven’t done, but also easy to forget what they inherited. We’ve come along way in a short period

Great read. Loved that King said he guarantees that we'll be a better team this year.

I feel like the wording from Guerra to say "Past champions have left us and we wish them all the best" to finishing with "Our future will be brighter without Christian and Clayton" is rather harsh.

Those 2 boys are champions of our club and should be respected as such.

We're in good hands

3 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

I feel like the wording from Guerra to say "Past champions have left us and we wish them all the best" to finishing with "Our future will be brighter without Christian and Clayton" is rather harsh.

Those 2 boys are champions of our club and should be respected as such.

The respect for them will come in due time. When that comes then maybe supporters will show respect.

For now, Guerra is right. Moving forward, we're hundred times better without them culture wise.

We're all about the future and the present.

Yep, if you’re not moving forwards you’re going backwards.

Petracca no longer wanted to be a Demon and Clarrie apparently wasn’t willing to change in order to stay one.

What’s that saying about insanity and doing the same thing over and over expecting different results? That’s where Goodwin had started leading us. At least our current leaders had the fortitude to instigate the much needed change, unlike our previous CEO and Roffey (both were train wrecks imv).

Onwards and upwards

Interesting that it was Guerra who set the ball rolling, even before he became CEO. I always suspected that it had come from Green with Richardson close behind.

Also interesting that Lamb was part of the decision making on Trac etc, thought all that might have come from higher-ups and the FD (Richardson again)with Lamb etc. not really in the loop.

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

We're in good hands

Time will tell...

Love it. God i wish the club could be transparent more often.

Unfortunatly, these type of admissions only tend to come out years after the events have played out when the key players are gone. The supporters are left to either defend the clubs stance, or argue amongst ourselves.

True respect will be given when the new guys are established and problems arise. Will they be as truthful then as they are now? It's an easy political move to blame everything on the previous mob and say everything will be great now.

I'm tired and I'm cranky, but talk is cheap.

Let's look at the body language on Sunday, win or lose.

7 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

I feel like the wording from Guerra to say "Past champions have left us and we wish them all the best" to finishing with "Our future will be brighter without Christian and Clayton" is rather harsh.

Those 2 boys are champions of our club and should be respected as such.

But our future is better, I don't think it's harsh at all. The departure has created quality picks, salary cap space, on ground midfield opportunity and by all reports a more connected group. Its supported by the fact that they have both admitted that they needed change as well. Is it better for the immediate who knows is it better for our future finals and flag potential yes.

8 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

I feel like the wording from Guerra to say "Past champions have left us and we wish them all the best" to finishing with "Our future will be brighter without Christian and Clayton" is rather harsh.

Those 2 boys are champions of our club and should be respected as such.

He is 💯 respecting them by calling them past champions and the fact he believes we will be better off is fantastic honesty and a great insight which I think is fantastic. They gave them both life memberships, how much more respect do you want to give players that are no longer with us.

6 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

I'm tired and I'm cranky, but talk is cheap.

Exactly.

4 minutes ago, dice said:

Exactly.

If you want to sell something, do you tell everyone it isn’t any good?

8 minutes ago, dice said:

Exactly.

To be fair, at the time, they were.
As players.
'Best 25' and 'realistic best decision for the list after trade period' are two very different things.

Two comments stood out for me:

"Goodwin felt betrayed by Richardson". It seems lack of trust wasn't limited to the locker room! Its no wonder the FD as a whole ended up such a mess.

"King was open to keeping premiership stars if list boss Tim Lamb wanted to ... but Lamb made it clear that moving on Oliver, Petracca and May, even messily, was best for the club." With Goodwin gone Lamb had clear air to make critical list management decisions that were long overdue.

PG and TL informed SK that we were going to get rid of Petracca and Oliver and he chose to continue in his application for the coaching position.

All were aware and in agreement that this is how we’d move forward. Sure they might’ve said one thing and done another, but it was to maximise our return.

8 hours ago, rjay said:

Time will tell...

Of course. But with the hand we had I dont think they could have played it any better to this point

Its all good in insight so why don't you tell us what you would have done differently?

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Of course. But with the hand we had I dont think they could have played it any better to this point

Its all good in insight so why don't you tell us what you would have done differently?

Its interesting.. I recall some supporters on this very forum last year were in denial snd quiet vocal in saying that our culture was actually fine and the vibe at training etc was great despite the results.

Those same supporters were also highly critical of the media when they were pretty much reporting the exact same thing that Guerra and Smith just acknowledged that were actually happening.

The fact that it took Guerra to come in and have the balls to make strong decisions on the club just proves that there was clearly a whole lot more toxicity within the club then what we realised.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Its interesting.. I recall some supporters on this very forum last year were in denial snd quiet vocal in saying that our culture was actually fine and the vibe at training etc was great despite the results.

Those same supporters were also highly critical of the media when they were pretty much reporting the exact same thing that Guerra and Smith just acknowledged that were actually happening.

The fact that it took Guerra to come in and have the balls to make strong decisions on the club just proves that there was clearly a whole lot more toxicity within the club then what we realised.

Yes lots of circumstances and opinions change.

Goody acknowledged after it was all over and he had time to reflect, that he had to go and the club made the right decision.

Funny to think that both Petracca and Oliver and the Melbourne Football Club are all closer to a next premiership because of the "Great Enema of 25". (I'm trademarking that expression but Demonland members are welcome to use it)

Throw in Nibbler and Grundy and there could be some kind of Demon playing a major role in every premiership for the rest of the decade.

Hmm, have we got any agents planted at Brisbane? Does Fagan count?

Edited March 12Mar 12 by Little Goffy

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The respect for them will come in due time. When that comes then maybe supporters will show respect.

For now, Guerra is right. Moving forward, we're hundred times better without them culture wise.

We're all about the future and the present.

Well said