Listened to his presser, in denial our skill execution s as d kicking was the worst I’ve seen since Roos too over! I’m sorry Simon what we have become in 4 seasons is a disgrace with so many experienced players isn’t acceptable, do the right thing by the players & members/supporters!

9 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Buzzy, I just feel Brown in has a touch of 'deck chairs on the Titanic' about it. If he's right to go, give Sestan an extended run. Or play Ricky Mentha.

How will we know if he is not played. Tholstrup, Sharp, will never be up to it. Jeffo is starting to worry me,dropping chest marks?? Doh, but got burnt again 3 times on good leads postioning, Lindsay I'm not sure about .May is done, Salem a liability, Lever injury prone Done! Viney can go to Norf with his dad! Chandler is hot and cold. As iterated Simon is done, but still talks delusionally about learnings, power of work and working incredibly hard but as soon as a modicum of pressure is applied we shizzenfraud ourselves! Our skills are under 12 stuff. Who of the club powerbrokers will stand up and say ENOUGH! We were beaten by a side that were close to the cliff, we are in worse shape in the Abyss!

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

That's right, because no matter how good or bad the players are it comes down to the coach. Your premise is basically that next week we could put the Casey team on the field and when they lose it's Goodwin's fault.

1. So are you saying Goodwin has had No part to play at all in where we currently sit?

2. If so, do you think we should Re-contract him beyond 2026?

Just as an exercise, can somebody calculate the free kicks and goals from frees and 50 m penalties in the last 4 games we played against Carlton.

For Goodwin, an unacceptable start to the game, whereby the Demons trailed by eight points at quarter-time, then 19 at half-time, set up the loss.

"I thought our start was way off," Goodwin said.

"If you take the result away from it, you're looking to build unconditional behaviours and unconditional in the way that you play, and we're trying to build something. And when you start like that, it's probably the second time in the last four weeks where we were fairly off from a role execution and intensity of the game, that's incredibly frustrating and angry, because that was probably the part of the game that really cost us the game."

So what are you doing about it !!!! What are unconditional behaviours!!! What about the second half of the 3rd qtr where we got in front then coughed up 3 goals. Skill errors. Missed tackles. Poor decisions. Handballs to … no one. Fumbles. Dropped marks. Let’s talk in plain English. Call it out.

9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We are genuinely a bang average footy club.

Our skills are absolutely deplorable and probably the worse in the AFL competition.

Old players are completely washed up and cooked.

Makes me sick to think we've got another 12 months of Goodwin rubbish.

It will make the club even sicker and that's saying something.

Clarry's 200th and Simon couldn't motivate them for a get-over-the-line whatever it takes win over a mediocre team missing at least 8 of their regulars.

But those in charge and the happy clapping / back slapping brigade that support them will do nothing (or at most call for a few tweaks around Simon) and claim they've set in place a plan for improvement and that we will get a diff result.

We are now unwatcheable (bar Kozzy highlights) and will be the lowest membership Vic club by this time next season after winning a flag only four seasons ago.

Let that sink in folks.

Another year of Simon? No thanks.

7 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

It was nice to see some emotion but if you want to know the reason why our problems are not being fixed its he still doesnt address our problem (unless he simply doesnt want to share it pubically)

His press conference started by blaming the first quarter and you cant win after that. What is he on about?? Yes we lost the 1st quarter inside 50 20 to 9? Yes we had 7 tackles. So what? We were down by 8 points. It happens, youre not going to get 4 quarters of unconditional effort every week for 24 rounds, whatever that means. Sometimes you have a bad quarter. Deal with it. At the end of the conference he said we had more than enough opportunity to win the game, but 'we lost the game in the first quarter' so it sounds like we will focus on that. If he believes this, no wonder we dont get better. There is too much focus on 'unconditional efforts' and blah blah blah.

We lost the game because after quarter time we won inside 50s 50 to 30, had almost 100 more possesions and didnt even outscore a bottom 6 team because half our team cannot hit a moving target, and the same players give away the same free kicks week in week out. The same players in the same spots doing the same things getting the same poor results. That's not a process, thats the definiton of something else.

I think the truth is somewhere in between.

Part of the reason we continued to have poor entries inside 50 as the game went on will no doubt be because of the pressure of being behind.

We play from behind most weeks. We’re something like 6-12 in first quarters. We keep starting slow and forcing ourselves to “hurry up” and get going. I’m sure it’s contributing to the sloppiness.

But as you say, ultimately this was a game lost in the same way as almost all of them. Struggling against Carlton’s VFL side (whose AFL side is no good to begin with) is all the proof we need that the rest of the game wasn’t good enough either.

1968 , four years after 64 flag, premiership players still on list but trading water. 8 wins for the year. Similarities are uncanny to watch.

33 minutes ago, picket fence said:

How will we know if he is not played. Tholstrup, Sharp, will never be up to it. Jeffo is starting to worry me,dropping chest marks?? Doh, but got burnt again 3 times on good leads postioning, Lindsay I'm not sure about .May is done, Salem a liability, Lever injury prone Done! Viney can go to Norf with his dad! Chandler is hot and cold. As iterated Simon is done, but still talks delusionally about learnings, power of work and working incredibly hard but as soon as a modicum of pressure is applied we shizzenfraud ourselves! Our skills are under 12 stuff. Who of the club powerbrokers will stand up and say ENOUGH! We were beaten by a side that were close to the cliff, we are in worse shape in the Abyss!

We dont have club power brokers. We have a dysfunctional board and Brad Green the sacrifice

If we did Goodwin would be moved on and a rebuild commenced with a new football group

The board took a punt and lost.

21 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

For Goodwin, an unacceptable start to the game, whereby the Demons trailed by eight points at quarter-time, then 19 at half-time, set up the loss.

"I thought our start was way off," Goodwin said.

"If you take the result away from it, you're looking to build unconditional behaviours and unconditional in the way that you play, and we're trying to build something. And when you start like that, it's probably the second time in the last four weeks where we were fairly off from a role execution and intensity of the game, that's incredibly frustrating and angry, because that was probably the part of the game that really cost us the game."

So what are you doing about it !!!! What are unconditional behaviours!!! What about the second half of the 3rd qtr where we got in front then coughed up 3 goals. Skill errors. Missed tackles. Poor decisions. Handballs to … no one. Fumbles. Dropped marks. Let’s talk in plain English. Call it out.

"If you take the result away from it, you're looking to build unconditional behaviours and unconditional in the way that you play, and we're trying to build something. And when you start like that, it's probably the second time in the last four weeks where we were fairly off from a role execution and intensity of the game, that's incredibly frustrating and angry, because that was probably the part of the game that really cost us the game."

Did he really say that? I never watch press conferences because he makes me grind my teeth

If he did say that I cannot believe any body could accept such obvious BS

Twas brilig, and the slithy toves. Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

I think Goodwin is cooked. The talk off transition is [censored], we are not transitioning, we are declining from a premiership list 4 years ago to a bottom four side. The board needs to cut the bs and take some steps to sort out the disaster.

Two very ordinary teams. I thought we'd win, not even thinking of their outs. I don't actually think they missed anything non personnel because they discovered Moir is an amazing kick for goal and he was the difference.

The umpiring was every bit as poor as the teams and they too were the difference. They were instrumental in multiple Carlton goals and had a strange aversion to treating Melbourne equally in the matter of 50 metre penalties and free kicks alike.

The new Melbourne style was there from time to time with some pretty good ball movement and intent to find targets inside 50 but our skills overall just aren't good enough.

Jeffo teases. A great contested defensive mark followed by a clanger. A shot for goal that seemed to come off his shin. Each week of the past three he has kicked a goal but should have had multiple goals. I guess we persevere because he is improving.

Melkie missing this week and failing to score from a deliberate shot I was certain he would nail. Fritter has come good in lot of ways and is really contributing.

Oliver was great. Trac is a shadow of his former self. I am just hoping he comes good next season. Rivers was better, Kozzie brilliant, Viney a Trojan, Gawn mistreated and betrayed by the umpires who frankly are amateurish.

Now to watch the replay and become angry all over again.

The sad reality is it's our young players that were not up to it.

So much for our recruiting.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by Previously known as LITD.

27 minutes ago, jackaub said:

"If you take the result away from it, you're looking to build unconditional behaviours and unconditional in the way that you play, and we're trying to build something. And when you start like that, it's probably the second time in the last four weeks where we were fairly off from a role execution and intensity of the game, that's incredibly frustrating and angry, because that was probably the part of the game that really cost us the game."

Did he really say that? I never watch press conferences because he makes me grind my teeth

If he did say that I cannot believe any body could accept such obvious BS

I too often find that when I remove the result, the scoreboard, the context, and three quarters of the game, things look much better. What we’re building here is less a game plan and more a postmodern art installation — role execution as interpretive dance, intensity as abstract concept. The boys weren’t “off,” they were simply expressing a different truth this week @jackaub . And honestly, who are we to question that?

I feel sorry for Kozzie.

Imagine what he could do in a team that actually gives a toss.

This post got lost from last night, but here goes:

Just back - a few thoughts in random order:

• May asleep on Curnow for the first two.

• Felt for Jeffo with the shanked kick and dropped chest mark in the second quarter but, to his credit, he worked his way back into the game and deserved his mark and goal. He really puts his body on the line - this isn’t Weid Mk2. He also should have had a free, as he was tripped right in front of goal, just before Clarry’s HTB wasn’t paid.

• Skills terrible - you can sort of see what they’re trying to do with the game plan but skills to execute are a long way off.

• Melky well held after the Q1

• Kozzy fantastic

• Fritta played reasonably well - looked like he was being played on the flank early doors, which I didn’t mind.

• I couldn’t believe the stats were so heavily in our favour when I saw them: it seemed as though Carlton were marking everything, whereas we were playing butterball.

• Langford is a jet.

• Can’t hold the umpires responsible for the loss, but they were absolutely appalling tonight: armchair ride for 2 of Moir’s goals, and two ridiculous 50s. Felt sometimes as if they were getting an armchair ride up the field.

• Can’t see what Kolt is bringing to the team at the moment, unfortunately.

• Langford will be an absolute jet.

• It was actually a fun second half to watch, but those non paid frees in quick succession, completely killed our momentum.

• I’m not sure what the answer is re: Goody. You can sort of see what they’re trying to do, but how come 22 professional footballers cannot pull it off? Either your game plan is wrong for this group or it’s not being coached well enough. Hopefully, once our new CEO and President are installed, we will see some decisions made: we’re in rabble mode and, really, this season has been a dead rubber from the start due to no leadership and that’s not fair on the members.

19 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Two very ordinary teams. I thought we'd win, not even thinking of their outs. I don't actually think they missed anything non personnel because they discovered Moir is an amazing kick for goal and he was the difference.

The umpiring was every bit as poor as the teams and they too were the difference. They were instrumental in multiple Carlton goals and had a strange aversion to treating Melbourne equally in the matter of 50 metre penalties and free kicks alike.

The new Melbourne style was there from time to time with some pretty good ball movement and intent to find targets inside 50 but our skills overall just aren't good enough.

Jeffo teases. A great contested defensive mark followed by a clanger. A shot for goal that seemed to come off his shin. Each week of the past three he has kicked a goal but should have had multiple goals. I guess we persevere because he is improving.

Melkie missing this week and failing to score from a deliberate shot I was certain he would nail. Fritter has come good in lot of ways and is really contributing.

Oliver was great. Trac is a shadow of his former self. I am just hoping he comes good next season. Rivers was better, Kozzie brilliant, Viney a Trojan, Gawn mistreated and betrayed by the umpires who frankly are amateurish.

Now to watch the replay and become angry all over again.

I feel especially sorry for the Demon Army members who put so much time and effort into supporting the club.

They (and the rest of us) deserve better from highly paid professionals. I don't understand how the skill level can be so poor.

34 minutes ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

Twas brilig, and the slithy toves. Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe.

The board needs to take note that highly influential members of the supporter base are going full Jabberwocky!

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

How will we know if he is not played. Tholstrup, Sharp, will never be up to it. Jeffo is starting to worry me,dropping chest marks?? Doh, but got burnt again 3 times on good leads postioning, Lindsay I'm not sure about .May is done, Salem a liability, Lever injury prone Done! Viney can go to Norf with his dad! Chandler is hot and cold. As iterated Simon is done, but still talks delusionally about learnings, power of work and working incredibly hard but as soon as a modicum of pressure is applied we shizzenfraud ourselves! Our skills are under 12 stuff. Who of the club powerbrokers will stand up and say ENOUGH! We were beaten by a side that were close to the cliff, we are in worse shape in the Abyss!

Always flabbergasted at the highly emotional response to wins or losses on this board.

We lost a game of footy is a dead season. Disappointing but doesn't change anything tbh.

13 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I too often find that when I remove the result, the scoreboard, the context, and three quarters of the game, things look much better. What we’re building here is less a game plan and more a postmodern art installation — role execution as interpretive dance, intensity as abstract concept. The boys weren’t “off,” they were simply expressing a different truth this week @jackaub . And honestly, who are we to question that?

I'd like to try just removing Goodwin..

34 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

I think Goodwin is cooked. The talk off transition is [censored], we are not transitioning, we are declining from a premiership list 4 years ago to a bottom four side. The board needs to cut the bs and take some steps to sort out the disaster.

This board is a major part of the problem in my view. They have over seen a massive deterioration of this once great club and should be held accountable Papering over with Green et al was a con job Smith would be mad to take it on

9 hours ago, Deeman said:

I would have been better off going to a Coldplay concert with my girlfriend.

Post of the week.

The sad part is this can and will get a lot worse over the next couple of years.

For years now we have gambled our future on the present. That present is not delivering and is about to become the past when Gawn declines, one of Trac or Clarry exit, Tom Mac/Melk retire, Viney retires, Salem retires. May has already declined and at this point shouldnt be getting games (statistically the worst performed KPD in the league this year). The game has gone past Lever.

That so many of this cohort are still playing every week and need to play well for us to win is very concerning. Other than Bowey, Kozzie, Turner of course and perhaps Langford and maybe McVee, there are major question marks over all our young players.

Big gap in the middle of the list from 80-120 games experience, and pretty much zero senior acquisitions from other clubs that have improved the team, which is really pathetic. I think Tim Lamb, Alan Richardson and to a lesser extent Jason Taylor (the longer you stay in that job, your hit rate will revert to the mean....we are seeing it) have done a bang average job for about 5 years now.

Adelaide have taken a step this year by adding pearling, ANB, cumming to a side that had some good old and young pieces. It can be done but you need an active FD. Lo

Our flag team was built on an active FD with Mahoney and Todd Viney being aggressive at the trade table, and Goodwin, McCartney, Rawlings, Roos actually developing young players properly. I can distinctly recall watching McCartney work with Harmes, who had a lot of flaws but was just given time to develop properly. ANB too. I miss when we were a connected, high standard FD who gave games on merit, consistency and application rather than reputation or potential.

Kolt shouldn't be playing, it's very clear he can't find the speed.

You could call Laurie a bust - but we'll never know. He hasn't been given a proper run at it in his position. He's played as a half fwd at AFL level, which accentuates his flaws and does nothing to show his strengths.

Make no mistake - we have a bad FD who are not driving standards properly, coaching properly, teaching properly or making long term decisions.

A good one got us a flag.