4 hours ago, JTR said:

You've got to be [censored] kidding me with this thread.

The kid turned 20 two [censored] weeks ago.

What is the obsession with you sad sacks always needing to have someone to write off?

Think the issue is most high picks even if they are raw you can see something special even if it’s just a single action in a game, kolt hasn’t shown that yet leading many to question his high selection, much in the same way they have with Jefferson the only difference there is because he is a tall there isn’t the expectation quite so soon. Personally I agree he needs more time but I do struggle to see why he was taken so high not that it’s his fault more a question for the club

3 hours ago, JTR said:

Have you had a read through your own thread? Surely you're having a laugh.

At a time where there are numerous far more pressing issues for you hand wringers to be gnashing your teeth over, we have a collective pile on to write off a just turned 20yo, 2nd year player who has had an interrupted preseason and played a grand total of 18 games.

Yep sure, I am the one who is off the mark... 🤣

I am discussing the cons of whats looking like a draft bust. It is good to talk footy. Are we so protective over players that we have no connection to other than playing for our team that I am not allowed to post and discuss.

Who do you think you are to ponder and posture over who can and cant post what? Disagree with the content sure but dont tell me what I can and can not post about. Thats not your lane.

Leave analysis to the those that want to discuss it while you and the droolers can go back to drooling.

On 13/07/2025 at 19:59, old dee said:

Today he had 10 minutes in the last quarter. I would have subed him off at 3/4 time

Except that the spreadsheet had already subbed off (as I recall).

23 hours ago, DubDee said:

Burst on the scene?

I would say, ANB would be up there as the most insulted, bagged player on Demonland in his first 4 years.

But do we learn any lessons from a kid after a dozen games trying to find his feet?

Apparently not

Exactly for years and years people bagged ANB here and claimed he had photos of Goodie to justify the games he was given.

13 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Exactly for years and years people bagged ANB here and claimed he had photos of Goodie to justify the games he was given.

Difference is that ANB wasn't at early pick, but in essence fans are way too impatient. They're expecting every player drafted to show their worth after 5 games and if they haven't then they're on the pile. I like Kolt's energy and willing to give him time to find his groove, I feel like he will be one of those "when it clicks" sort of guys that we may be waiting and waiting and then suddenly one day he'll announce himself.

What i find interesting is this thread began with comparisons to Tapscott and is currently comparing him to Nibbler but no one has mentioned Chandler.

I think that is the most similar profile currently. Chandler was afforded 3 years at Casey without debut, came in and I wasn't sold, was a small forward without much goal sense or creativity, tackled a bit. But he has offered a much better showing up the ground as a more mature body and with an improved work rate he still tackles and has a good enough step to get the ball out into some space. Do i think he will ever be a 200 gamer, unlikely, will he ever finish higher than 5-10 in a BnF probably/hopefully not. But he is at least a serviceable 15-30 player on the list.

Kolt probably has that sort of career in him if he can work on his obvious deviciencies. Do i think he would be better served playing inside mid in the VFL for the rest of the season. Probably. is there anyone I'd rather see in the side for the next 6 weeks, Sharp yes, Windsor yes, Pup at least for a few games, he might be an ordinary kick but his tackle pressure i am a fan of.

Spargo, Hendo, Culley, Johnson dont bother. and i dont see how we can continue to play Sparrow/Viney/Oliver/Langdon all in the same side if we're giving Langford/Lindsay/Windsor the wing rotations

1 hour ago, Wizard of Koz said:

I am discussing the cons of whats looking like a draft bust. It is good to talk footy. Are we so protective over players that we have no connection to other than playing for our team that I am not allowed to post and discuss.

Who do you think you are to ponder and posture over who can and cant post what? Disagree with the content sure but dont tell me what I can and can not post about. Thats not your lane.

Leave analysis to the those that want to discuss it while you and the droolers can go back to drooling.

🤔

Again, are you having a laugh?

My view - which I am also entitled to - is that you are wrong and this "analysis" is at best, extremely premature.

Is that ok with you sir, or are you only interested in the opinions of those who agree with you?

59 minutes ago, Turner said:

What i find interesting is this thread began with comparisons to Tapscott and is currently comparing him to Nibbler but no one has mentioned Chandler.

I think that is the most similar profile currently. Chandler was afforded 3 years at Casey without debut, came in and I wasn't sold, was a small forward without much goal sense or creativity, tackled a bit. But he has offered a much better showing up the ground as a more mature body and with an improved work rate he still tackles and has a good enough step to get the ball out into some space. Do i think he will ever be a 200 gamer, unlikely, will he ever finish higher than 5-10 in a BnF probably/hopefully not. But he is at least a serviceable 15-30 player on the list.

Kolt probably has that sort of career in him if he can work on his obvious deviciencies. Do i think he would be better served playing inside mid in the VFL for the rest of the season. Probably. is there anyone I'd rather see in the side for the next 6 weeks, Sharp yes, Windsor yes, Pup at least for a few games, he might be an ordinary kick but his tackle pressure i am a fan of.

Spargo, Hendo, Culley, Johnson dont bother. and i dont see how we can continue to play Sparrow/Viney/Oliver/Langdon all in the same side if we're giving Langford/Lindsay/Windsor the wing rotations

If I had to try and compare him to someone it'd be Cam Rayner. Similar height and potential to be a high impact, explosive player. That's who he should model his game off but also to be 10x more consistent than what Rayner is. As a first round selection you want a player who can have a significant impact on the team.

29 minutes ago, JTR said:

🤔

Again, are you having a laugh?

My view - which I am also entitled to - is that you are wrong and this "analysis" is at best, extremely premature.

Is that ok with you sir, or are you only interested in the opinions of those who agree with you?

Ok cool, that's better. Why is it wrong? Only because it's premature or do you see attributes? #talkingfootball

9 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

To me, he seems like another Goody selection where he's valued competitiveness over what's required in the modern game.

Goodwin doesn't make the draft selections, he's but one amongst a number who have input, the call mainly comes from Taylor (National Recruiting Manager).

4 hours ago, bing181 said:

Goodwin doesn't make the draft selections, he's but one amongst a number who have input, the call mainly comes from Taylor (National Recruiting Manager).

Sure the guy in charge of the players and game plan wouldn't have a major say in recruiting?🤣🤣

Edited Monday at 19:493 days by Ugottobekidding
A eronious "s" trigger warning

Our seasons over, play the kids! Yeah, not that kid. 🙄

3 hours ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Sure the guy in charge of the players and game plan wouldn't have a major say in recruiting?🤣🤣

Are you joking?

Taylor and the scouts watch the players throughout the year and then present to the footy department before the draft. Richardson, Goodwin and the assistant coaches have their input, ask questions and give their thoughts on what kind of players we’re lacking, but have very little say on the final picks.

Nobody would accept a head recruiter’s role if they don’t actually get to choose the players they want, especially at the top end.

9 hours ago, JTR said:

My view - which I am also entitled to - is that you are wrong and this "analysis" is at best, extremely premature.

A lot of this thread is very premature.

"Can we talk about Kolt" - Yes

"Can we make a determination on Kolt (Whether positive or negative) in his second year playing a certain role in an underperforming team after having a limited pre-season" - No, not really

Edited Monday at 23:283 days by roy11

4 hours ago, roy11 said:

"Can we talk about Kolt"

I sure can. Kolt is exactly what we need and what any club would want. He’s passionate, and can be quite emotional but that’s because he cares so much. Kolt is dedicated to being his best. He’s loyal and honest and his teammates feed off his exuberant energy. He is 100% committed to the MFC. Along with Salo he’s one of the most popular in the locker-rooms. He works incredibly hard and takes his footy seriously. He’s confident but not cocky. Goody loves coaching him because he’s so intent on giving his all and he’s always keen to learn more.

And I should know… I once waved to him at training 😂

15 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If I had to try and compare him to someone it'd be Cam Rayner. Similar height and potential to be a high impact, explosive player. That's who he should model his game off but also to be 10x more consistent than what Rayner is. As a first round selection you want a player who can have a significant impact on the team.

Cam Rayner?¿?? Is a great player, if Tolstrup even gets to be a fraction of the player he is then he will be useful!

11 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Cam Rayner?¿?? Is a great player, if Tolstrup even gets to be a fraction of the player he is then he will be useful!

Cam took a few years to get going by the way.

In Rayner's second year, he played 24 games for 224 disposals, at 9.3 disposals a game.

In Kolt's first year 2024, he played 10 games for 117 disposals at 11.7 disposals a game.

Rayner was the number 1 pick in his year and Kolt number 13 in his year.

You would expect therefore Cam to be a far superior player than Kolt at about the same stage of their careers.

Kolt has come off an injury, with an interrupted pre season and has had a difficult year.

Lets cut him some slack as we did for Jeffo and others and I am confident he will come good and we will have another good player in our side, plus he has some sh-t in him and I personally love that.

Edited Tuesday at 05:163 days by Redleg

Genuine question to the believers. What kind of player do you see Tholstrup as? What do you think his ceiling is and what's his best position? If you were to compare him to another player (past or present) who do you think he plays like?

From a purely footballing perspective, what have you seen so far that excites you about him?

7 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Are you joking?

Taylor and the scouts watch the players throughout the year and then present to the footy department before the draft. Richardson, Goodwin and the assistant coaches have their input, ask questions and give their thoughts on what kind of players we’re lacking, but have very little say on the final picks.

Nobody would accept a head recruiter’s role if they don’t actually get to choose the players they want, especially at the top end.

This is exactly what we have seen in draft-related video content released by the club over the years as well as televised drafts.

Two instances that come to mind are the 2019 draft where the club released video content showing JT presenting to Goody, Alan Richardson, Tim Lamb & co. his interest in Jackson, Kozzy, etc., and we have also seen footage on draft night, including the 2020 draft where JT is instructing whoever is entering our draft selections into the AFL system that our first two picks would be Bowey and Laurie, in that order. If memory serves, JT made a reassuring comment to Goody about their attributes at the time. Pretty clear that it was the recruiting team, and not Goodwin, that made the calls.

Edited Tuesday at 06:333 days by gs77
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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Cam took a few years to get going by the way.

In Rayner's second year, he played 24 games for 224 disposals, at 9.3 disposals a game.

In Kolt's first year 2024, he played 10 games for 117 disposals at 11.7 disposals a game.

Rayner was the number 1 pick in his year and Kolt number 13 in his year.

You would expect therefore Cam to be a far superior player than Kolt at about the same stage of their careers.

Kolt has come off an injury, with an interrupted pre season and has had a difficult year.

Lets cut him some slack as we did for Jeffo and others and I am confident he will come good and we will have another good player in our side, plus he has some sh-t in him and I personally love that.

Rayner's ceiling has always been very high that's why he went as a number 1 pick. He's never really lived up to his potential. nearly 8 years in the system without an AA to his name.

Outside of that I'm a little confused by the comparison as I don't think the two play similarly at all.

46 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Genuine question to the believers. What kind of player do you see Tholstrup as? What do you think his ceiling is and what's his best position? If you were to compare him to another player (past or present) who do you think he plays like?

From a purely footballing perspective, what have you seen so far that excites you about him?

Ceiling: Toby Greene as a forward or Jai Newcombe as a midfielder. As a medium sized forward, he's powerful, loves a contest, can clunk a mark, is technically a great kick and can get under opponents skin. As a midfielder, has the attributes to be a well rounded mid like Newcombe who can win lots of ball inside but also get it on the outside and hurt. I love that when Kolt gets the ball be looks to kick into the corridor. He's more brave than most of his teammates, and they let him down at times.

Floor: Tom Sparrow. Mid/defensive mid or forward role player who doesn't have big impact but plays an important role in a successful team.

Either way, I expect him to make a decent AFL career. He just needs time to get fit. Coming into this season he was a 19 year old who's played about 10 games and had limited preseason coming off a 12 week foot injury. Foot injuries can be career enders, so it'll take him time to properly get fit and confident again.

There are some posters on here showing how poor their footy knowledge is by writing him off this quickly. I assume they wrote Petracca off after his injury riddled and poor first few seasons?

Edited Tuesday at 06:533 days by Lord Travis

1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Ceiling: Toby Greene as a forward or Jai Newcombe as a midfielder.

Floor: Tom Sparrow. Mid/defensive mid or forward role player who doesn't have big impact but plays an important role in a successful team.

Either way, I expect him to make a decent AFL career. He just needs time to get fit. Coming into this season he was a 19 year old who's played about 10 games and had limited preseason coming off a 12 week foot injury. Foot injuries can be career enders, so it'll take him time to properly get fit and confident again.

There are some posters on here showing how poor their footy knowledge is by writing him off this quickly. I assume they wrote Petracca off after his injury riddled and poor first few seasons?

I think Petracca always showed signs that he had the talent. He took some time to become consistent but his best was always very exciting. This is what Trac was doing in his first two games for example:

I think right now my expectation for him is much closer to Sparrow than the other two you mentioned.

16 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

I think Petracca always showed signs that he had the talent. He took some time to become consistent but his best was always very exciting. This is what Trac was doing in his first two games for example:

I think right now my expectation for him is much closer to Sparrow than the other two you mentioned.

Funny looking back at trac you can see everything he is today both the good and bad really shows how little the core of who they are changes

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Genuine question to the believers. What kind of player do you see Tholstrup as? What do you think his ceiling is and what's his best position? If you were to compare him to another player (past or present) who do you think he plays like?

From a purely footballing perspective, what have you seen so far that excites you about him?

Paul Chapman.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

who do you think he plays like?

Reminds me a bit of Isaac Weetra.