Listen to see how far off the pace we are on their list mgt

Yeah pretty easy to attract players when you have $300m+ worth of facilities paid for by the taxpayer

1 minute ago, dice said:

Yeah pretty easy to attract players when you have $300m+ worth of facilities paid for by the taxpayer

A farm and a Ford Raptor parked in the drive way to sweeten the deal.

Edited April 16Apr 16 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

I’ve never been a Chris Scott fan (or any of the other panel members for that matter), but that was the best interview I’ve ever heard from him. This will b a controversial statement on here, but our Club could learn a lot from what he had to say.

Didn't hear Scott mention Stephen Wells once, the person most responsible for Geelong's list over the past 30 years.

Still can't believe he picked a kid (Humphries) at #63, whose last game before being drafted was in the WAFL ressies GF. Nor picking up Atkins, Blicavs, Close, J.Henry, Z.Guthrie and Dempsey all in the rookie draft. Wells is the real mastermind

Edited April 16Apr 16 by dice

8 minutes ago, dice said:

Didn't hear Scott mention Stephen Wells once, the person most responsible for Geelong's list over the past 30 years.

Still can't believe he picked a kid (Humphries) at #63, whose last game before being drafted was in the WAFL ressies GF. Nor picking up Atkins, Blicavs, Close, J.Henry, Z.Guthrie and Dempsey all in the rookie draft. Wells is the real mastermind

Anyone can pick the players.

It's up to the players to develop them, and Scott's track record backs that up.

Chris Scott is everything i wish MFC had right now.

Edited April 16Apr 16 by dazzledavey36

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Anyone can pick the players.

It's up to the players to develop them, and Scott's track record backs that up.

Barry Prendergast says hello

1 hour ago, dice said:

Yeah pretty easy to attract players when you have $300m+ worth of facilities paid for by the taxpayer

We have gone around in circles for a home base for decades , obsessed with being around the G why look at the Hawks nowhere near Glenferrie! Yes the redevelopment of their ground helps but it’s more than that, they top with good experience & development is string vs driving to Casey 50 minutes & training on a paddock

12 minutes ago, dice said:

Barry Prendergast says hello

Ok...

Tell him i said hello back.

Odd response because you bringing up BP backs up my point about how the coaches develop the talent at the end of the day.

Prendergast had access to some of the best talent in the country for a number of years, it was our poor development and culture in why they never reached their full potential.

And let me just put it on record that out of all the issues this club is currently facing, developing talent is certainly not one of them and the least of our worries.

I am happy with where we sit as a club in that regards.

Edited April 16Apr 16 by dazzledavey36

There’s something in the character of the players they have at the club as well, that’s the real key.

Geelong have 3-4 assistant coaches on field at any given time, they can adjust in real time without even being told.

We have a leadership void behind Max

37 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ok...

Tell him i said hello back.

Odd response because you bringing up BP backs up my point about how the coaches develop the talent at the end of the day.

Prendergast had access to some of the best talent in the country for a number of years, it was our poor development and culture in why they never reached their full potential.

100% dazzle. Barry had a few odd choices which gets immediately pointed out by has haters.

I followed the draft heavily back in those days like many on here.

The Gysberts pick was the real standout flaw although he looked great in his first few games. I remember the media stories and rumours coming out that other clubs didn't rate him that high.

The majority of the other picks went round about where they should have.

Was it a mistake picking Watts over NikNat? Yes. But Watts would have been a top 5 pick if we didn't take him.

Likewise with the majority of the other picks. Blease went about where most thought. Tapscott was there abouts. Scully and Trengove were widely known as the top 2 picks that year months out.

Even if all of Barry's picks were taken a smidgen early, there is no way all of those picks fail to forge a decent career.

I remember when Blease retired and he said "well I've had 5 senior coaches in 7 years."

Our facilities sucked. Our development sucked. I feel bad for the players we drafted as they were in the worst environment to succeed at AFL level.

It's all about list management that is player trading, third & 4th round draft picks & rookie picks over the last 4-5 years.

Geelong has been outstanding while we have been rubbish & made our list worse.

For example they have 4 genuine ruck options while we have 1 and a half.

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

There’s something in the character of the players they have at the club as well, that’s the real key.

Geelong have 3-4 assistant coaches on field at any given time, they can adjust in real time without even being told.

We have a leadership void behind Max

Character of players ..that’s a laugh. With what will eventually come out of this club…it will make whatever has happened at our club pale into insignificance. Hopefully it then highlights other indiscretions I.e. Stengle etc

3 hours ago, dice said:

Didn't hear Scott mention Stephen Wells once, the person most responsible for Geelong's list over the past 30 years.

That's extraordinary. Like a game show challenge;

"Talk for ten minutes about Essendon in the 80s and 90s without mentioning Sheedy"

"So, tell me about the Cold War, but don't mention nuclear weapons."

"Talk about Geelong's list management, without mentioning Stephen Wells."

"Write a manual for fishing that doesn't mention water."

Edit: This post is not to imply that Wells had a perfect run. He had a very rough party in the mid to late 2000s and again around 2013-14 he had a full swing and miss. But... Geelong's recruiting, trading and list management has been the defining feature of their extended period at the top.

We can only hope Wells sees this interview and enters a Ned Flanders style breakdown and suddenly released all the documents showing where Geelong's bodies are buried.

Edited April 16Apr 16 by Little Goffy

3 hours ago, dice said:

Didn't hear Scott mention Stephen Wells once, the person most responsible for Geelong's list over the past 30 years.

Still can't believe he picked a kid (Humphries) at #63, whose last game before being drafted was in the WAFL ressies GF. Nor picking up Atkins, Blicavs, Close, J.Henry, Z.Guthrie and Dempsey all in the rookie draft. Wells is the real mastermind

He mentions him at 5:40 as one of the central people that drove the philosophy to keep having a crack due to free agency and expansion teams eroding the value of the draft.

Edited April 16Apr 16 by Jjrogan

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

100% dazzle. Barry had a few odd choices which gets immediately pointed out by has haters.

I followed the draft heavily back in those days like many on here.

The Gysberts pick was the real standout flaw although he looked great in his first few games. I remember the media stories and rumours coming out that other clubs didn't rate him that high.

The majority of the other picks went round about where they should have.

Was it a mistake picking Watts over NikNat? Yes. But Watts would have been a top 5 pick if we didn't take him.

Likewise with the majority of the other picks. Blease went about where most thought. Tapscott was there abouts. Scully and Trengove were widely known as the top 2 picks that year months out.

Even if all of Barry's picks were taken a smidgen early, there is no way all of those picks fail to forge a decent career.

I remember when Blease retired and he said "well I've had 5 senior coaches in 7 years."

Our facilities sucked. Our development sucked. I feel bad for the players we drafted as they were in the worst environment to succeed at AFL level.

All drafted AFL players have the talent to make it. What makes the difference is the training they have on top of their natural talent. Successful clubs are great at developing their players to be as possible as to the bets they can be. We have done it well in patches, The cats seem too have a great system within their walls. As much as I find Scott annoying, he has been a great coach for their club.

8 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Character of players ..that’s a laugh. With what will eventually come out of this club…it will make whatever has happened at our club pale into insignificance. Hopefully it then highlights other indiscretions I.e. Stengle etc

That’s one player though?

From a football sense, they are stacked with high IQ players who can effectively coach on field, allowing them to make changes in game that no other team can.

10 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

He mentions him at 5:40 as one of the central people that drove the philosophy to keep having a crack due to free agency and expansion teams eroding the value of the draft.

Sorry, missed that. Still, a 1 second brief mention of the most integral guy in a 30 minute interview

12 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Character of players ..that’s a laugh. With what will eventually come out of this club…it will make whatever has happened at our club pale into insignificance. Hopefully it then highlights other indiscretions I.e. Stengle etc

Looking forward to hearing more about this.

15 hours ago, dice said:

Didn't hear Scott mention Stephen Wells once, the person most responsible for Geelong's list over the past 30 years.

Still can't believe he picked a kid (Humphries) at #63, whose last game before being drafted was in the WAFL ressies GF. Nor picking up Atkins, Blicavs, Close, J.Henry, Z.Guthrie and Dempsey all in the rookie draft. Wells is the real mastermind

oh please. Geelong have brought in the key players from other clubs. Dangerfield, Cameron and even Smith gifted to them without even having to give up a to p10 pick. Bowes along with pick 7 for nothing in what can only be described as collusion.

I think Scott is a good coach and they have traded well but their drafting isnt the core reason for their success.

They've been able to stay up by bringing in champion players from other clubs.

12 hours ago, darkhorse72 said:

All drafted AFL players have the talent to make it. What makes the difference is the training they have on top of their natural talent. Successful clubs are great at developing their players to be as possible as to the bets they can be. We have done it well in patches, The cats seem too have a great system within their walls. As much as I find Scott annoying, he has been a great coach for their club.

Development is the one thing that doesn't get talked about enough when it comes to a club's failure, it's usually always the coach's gameplan, drafting and trades.

The number of grade A talents we drafted from 08-13 is cringeworthy. Hindsight always suggests other picks could have been made but how the kids are brought up really matters. I don't have much faith that Dustin Martin would have been as big of a deal had we picked him. Hell, he was on the road to no-where fast until Richmond got the right off-field coaching appointments.

While I do have questions about what we're doing at the moment with the development of some guys currently, it's streets ahead of what it used to be. However the Cats are the best at it.

Re Cats it would be interesting to understand how much of their success is attributable to how well they are ran as an organisation vs the comparative advantage they get from:

1. Home ground advantage of being the only AFL club who trains on their home ground. What does this advantage translate in terms of Home and Away season wins and losses.

2. Not having to travel interstate to play other Victorian teams, as interstate teams have to, while playing enough games at the MCG.

3. Attracting players from other clubs who are attracted to the anonymity of a regional city or to live on a farm.

4. Level of taxpayer money that is poured into the club and region compared to Melbourne suburbs.

Re facilities the difference is staggering in quality of facilities that Geelong have compared to inner Melbourne suburbs when it comes to local sport.

20 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Anyone can pick the players.

It's up to the players to develop them, and Scott's track record backs that up.

Chris Scott is everything i wish MFC had right now.

Chris Scott has one of the most, if not the most, professional organisation at his back. Look what Goodwin has. It’s been the bane of Melbourne coaches since the 60’s. We remained amateurs and it’s showing again.

6 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

. Bowes along with pick 7 for nothing in what can only be described as collusion.

I still dont get why more clubs didn't take up the deal including us, was his contract that big to take on?