Welcome to Demonland: Round 5 Draft Pick

[Lucifers Hero 39,555]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

In other words we'll get 5 new players through the draft/Rookie selections..?

Yes, if we fill all the spots.

[dazzledavey36 54,234]

7 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Yes, if we fill all the spots.

Cheers LH.

[Nascent 9,104]

14 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

 

The Age have it wrong!

 

Edit:

Rookies – time on list

The AFL will introduce a trigger for an additional fourth year on the Rookie List where the Rookie has played less than ten career AFL matches, which will then apply in same way for access to an additional fifth year.  Total aggregate years on the Rookie List will be capped at five years (5.5 years for Mid-Season Rookie Draft).

player-movement-and-list-management-changes

I'm sure I've read elsewhere that AMW will need to promoted to the cat-a list but can qualify for a 4th year as highlighted above. That link unfortunately doesn't clarify cat-b vs cat-a.

Regardless we'll have two rookie spots. Either 2x cat-b or one of each.

[deelusions from afar 1,776]

Hopefully one of each - given we've finished this low, we actually have a decent position in the rookie draft (and midseason draft)

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1 minute ago, Nascent said:

I'm sure I've read elsewhere that AMW will need to promoted to the cat-a list but can qualify for a 4th year as highlighted above. That link unfortunately doesn't clarify cat-b vs cat-a.

Regardless we'll have two rookie spots. Either 2x cat-b or one of each.

Trust me, it applies to both.  If it applied to only one it would have said so.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Trust me, it applies to both.  If it applied to only one it would have said so.

 

 

Thanks Luci.

That's a better spot for us to be in to add to our list.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,598]

46 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Hopefully one of each - given we've finished this low, we actually have a decent position in the rookie draft (and midseason draft)

Mid season draft is based on midsession position…. So hopefully we will be last. But correct re the rookie draft

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1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

 

The Age have it wrong!

 

Edit:

Rookies – time on list

The AFL will introduce a trigger for an additional fourth year on the Rookie List where the Rookie has played less than ten career AFL matches, which will then apply in same way for access to an additional fifth year.  Total aggregate years on the Rookie List will be capped at five years (5.5 years for Mid-Season Rookie Draft).

player-movement-and-list-management-changes

Again, that doesn’t specify anything about cat B’s staying as cat B. I suggest you’re right but it’s not unreasonable to think there’s still a 3 year limit on cat B after which they transfer to cat A for up to 2 more years.

We’ll soon find out.

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13 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

It doesn't matter if it is pick 79 or 83. 

Then there will be a couple of rookie draft picks which are taken after this..... we will be selecting at the absolute dregs end of the draft. 

We only have 2 decent picks, no way to build for the future.

Love the pessimism GOTO. Who’s to say JT does not pull another McVee or we take a quality mature from the VFL,SANFL,WAFL that fits a role? We dont need a bunch of mid range picks we need elite additions which 5 and 9 offers.  I would not be surprised if our third pick is on a kid we think has the right attributes to play key defence in the future.  

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14 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

It doesn't matter if it is pick 79 or 83. 

Then there will be a couple of rookie draft picks which are taken after this..... we will be selecting at the absolute dregs end of the draft. 

We only have 2 decent picks, no way to build for the future.

Good thing we don't have to then.

[Lucifers Hero 39,555]

There's an assumption that AMW has been 'promoted' from B to A rookie. 

It wouldn't be a 'promotion' per se as there is no difference in A and B except how they were recruited.  Senior game eligibility and salary rules are the same for both.

And, I'm not sure such a 'promotion' is even allowed under the rules as 'promotions' are to/from the Senior list. 

If a rookie list change is allowed for AMW, the only benefit I see is the club can recruit 2 B rookies eg Andrew and Mentha.  But the downside is it looses the ability to take an A-rookie (assuming we fill the 3 senior spots). 

 

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Good thing we don't have to then.

I'm feeling tensions with the podcast crew....🤣

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14 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

There's an assumption that AMW has been 'promoted' from B to A rookie. 

It wouldn't be a 'promotion' per se as there is no difference in A and B except how they were recruited.  Senior game eligibility and salary rules are the same for both.

And, I'm not sure such a 'promotion' is even allowed under the rules as 'promotions' are to/from the Senior list. 

If a rookie list change is allowed for AMW, the only benefit I see is the club can recruit 2 B rookies eg Andrew and Mentha.  But the downside is it looses the ability to take an A-rookie (assuming we fill the 3 senior spots). 

 

It would be nice if the AFL/club provided greater clarity on these matters.

Even if we can't move AMW we could still take one of Mentha or Andrew as a Cat A rookie.

I also believe we can have 3 Cat B rookies, which I assume means we would have to have 5 Cat A rookies.....

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20 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

It would be nice if the AFL/club provided greater clarity on these matters.

Even if we can't move AMW we could still take one of Mentha or Andrew as a Cat A rookie.

I also believe we can have 3 Cat B rookies, which I assume means we would have to have 5 Cat A rookies.....

The info is out there but not collated ... hence why the great work by @red and blue forever in the Contracts thread is a handy reference

Yes, we can draft either as an A rookie or as a senior player.

Only 2 B rookies since covid list rule changes.

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16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

The info is out there but not collated ... hence why the great work by @red and blue forever in the Contracts thread is a handy reference

Yes, we can draft either as an A rookie or as a senior player.

Only 2 B rookies since covid list rule changes.

The AFL website says it's 3.... but wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't bother to update it

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3 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

The AFL website says it's 3.... but wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't bother to update it

Thanks, could you post a link please ... it isn't the easiest of sites to trawl through!

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1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks, could you post a link please ... it isn't the easiest of sites to trawl through!

Rookie Players - AFL.com.au

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2 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Rookie Players - AFL.com.au

Thanks. 

Unfortunately the article isn't dated.  Given the players in the pic and the sponsors on our jumper I would say that is pre covid list size/rule changes.

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1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

There's an assumption that AMW has been 'promoted' from B to A rookie. 

It wouldn't be a 'promotion' per se as there is no difference in A and B except how they were recruited.  Senior game eligibility and salary rules are the same for both.

And, I'm not sure such a 'promotion' is even allowed under the rules as 'promotions' are to/from the Senior list. 

If a rookie list change is allowed for AMW, the only benefit I see is the club can recruit 2 B rookies eg Andrew and Mentha.  But the downside is it looses the ability to take an A-rookie (assuming we fill the 3 senior spots). 

 

I believe that Rookie B are outside the salary cap? 

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4 minutes ago, durango said:

I believe that Rookie B are outside the salary cap? 

A and B rookies have a portion of their sal outside the cap.

It was the first $80,000.  Not sure what that is now.