Club in crisis - Media pile on - August 2024

[biggestred 5,237]

3 minutes ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

We need to start sticking up for ourselves. We remain silent on most things. The media know that the BS stories will not be refuted by the club. At least not straight away. It's clickbait heaven for them.

We should go down the GWS socials team, and start picking on everyone. Use humour to say F U.

YES!

imagine the post they could have made after the media said sparrow was leaving and then it was announced he signed a new contract.... the next day

[Clintosaurus 7,926]

The media are just extra members of the recruiting teams for the clubs they follow. 

[ElDiablo14 5,036]

5 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

The media are just extra members of the recruiting teams for the clubs they follow. 

So basically they are accessories to tampering.

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

4 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

One thing I hope we can get on top on this off-season is the constant leaks out of the club. The media report what they hear and they seem to hear a lot from us. By yesterday evening we had the ins and outs of a player only meeting and a little swipe from the club at the people around Petracca outside the club.

Go back to last year and you have all the stuff that got leaked about Oliver's issues. I know leaks happen but we do seem to have more than other clubs. It just creates fodder for the media and I can't imagine it's good for trust within the club if something you say in confidence gets a run in the papers a couple of days later.

To that end Tyson Stengle leaves a nightclub in an ambulance on a saturday night and it's crickets...Bizarre, master manipulation by Geelong or controls applied by the AFL Overlords? 

[Fork 'em 7,043]

There's that many AFL related shows out there who need something to talk about to fill in their time so will run with anything they can get their hands on to BS on about.

Last year I was listening to the radio pre-game and one of the fools floated some rubbish and another shot it down straight away.
Reply was something like " Thanks for that Browny. We've got six minutes to kill before game time and you just shut that down."

Problem is we seem to give them plenty of BS to run with. 


 

Edited August 20, 2024 by Fork 'em

[spirit of norm smith 16,615]

Dees supporters feelings towards Tom Morris 💩💩💩
 

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

Old school Kevin Nash getting a good ron on DL lately! 😄

Hopefully no one breaks out the Magic Mike version.

Edited August 20, 2024 by Dee*ceiving

[Dee*ceiving 1,724]

3 hours ago, biggestred said:

YES!

imagine the post they could have made after the media said sparrow was leaving and then it was announced he signed a new contract.... the next day

Agree with this. We've allowed ourselves to be bullied too often. On and off the field. 

This Friday is a perfect time to put a stop to onfield bullying. 

[TRIGON 4,792]

What nonsense will the AFL media come up with next..."Rival AFL clubs circling George Gawn". Seriously, as stated by other Demonlanders - too many journalists reporters chasing too few stories.

[DEE fence 5,045]

16 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

It would almost be worth the subscription fee to Media Monitors just to have a rolling archive of articles based on nothing more than previous articles.

I genuinely wouldn't mind the rabid news if there was any actual information in it.

Does bring to mind the part of 'Foundation' (the book, not the entirely unrelated and best forgotten TV series) where the diplomat from the galactic empire makes a visit and half the council is absolutely convinced that Terminus has been given a security guarantee that will protect them, but then a specialist linguist analyses every single sentence said by the diplomat during the visit and finds that not a single actual statement was made on any topic at all. Like, even complimenting the dinner took the form of saying 'dinners of this type are often good'.

Barret being the football media master of it, but now has many disciples.

 

I love that you're an Azimov fan. (Am still undecided on the 🍏 + version). But I really think a humorous scorecard approach to media BS a'la JVAM comment would be worth while. By my rough estimate the media is batting approx 6/28 at the moment over Goodwin's coaching tenure. Which at .214 is hardly MLB. 

[Doug Reemer 1,208]

Scotty from the Deebrief somes this up perfectly!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-4RHexoEwQ/?igsh=MTF1bm1yZmY2dDk5bQ==

[Deemania since 56 6,763]

18 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Lots of headlines and negative media. Club in crisis.  Toxic culture.  PlaA

Jay Clark💩 (Petracca wants to go to Collingwood) 

do any of them actually know ? It’s often just media click bait … they love the drama 

let’s kick the Demons 

thanks to Garry Lyon for his voice 👏👏

thanks to Max🏆 Gawn resigning to 2027 👏👏

 

Almost worthy of never reading anything more on any topic from these clowns - the power of the pen has gone to their heads, too far, too randomly, too inaccurately. Big opinions, small brains, lesser communication skills.  Name one who varies from this assessment. Lyon, Gawn obviously excluded. 

[Billy 2,563]

6 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Add Sam Edmund 💩💩💩

 

Port Adelaide has renewed its interest in Melbourne forward Kysaiah Pickett. Pickett signed a new 4yr deal only last year, but the Power continue to reach out as the Dees battle their latest bout of player turbulence. Understand Adelaide & Freo have also asked the question. No suggestion at this stage that Pickett is considering leaving, just that the interest has again been made clear. @1116sen

Disagree with Sam Edmond, l actually rate him quite highly 

[Deepfreeze 218]

Jimmy Bartel was sticking up for us when the other 'journos' were ranting about Trac & Vines.

Anyway, Vines staying till 2028. Trac back in 2025 and Oliver a full preseason.

The under 23's are coming along nicely.

Lots to be bullish about I would've thought.

Morris & co can go suck a lemon.

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,435]

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Dees supporters feelings towards Tom Morris 💩💩💩
 

And the rest of them

[Robbie87 159]

Agree with many here - we seem to cop it in an extraordinary way. It seems to me that, by and large, the Club is very tight on matters of player management and welfare - not convinced the leaks come from the inner sanctum, more likely family members, friends? It seems particular members of the media don't like that they are not 'in the know' and they try to take us down every chance they get - or at best add 2 and 2 to get 10 - think Barrett on his relentless crusade that everything that happens points to 'cultural issues' at Melbourne (despite a growing flotilla of re-signings) - lazy journalism at best.  I think the Club has done a mighty job under enormous media pressure to stay tight - they have given Trac space even though it is hurting us publicity-wise (and maybe recruitment-wise eg Houston?) - and I was pleased in a way to hear Perty in his recent SEN interview admit to the distraction - how could there not be? When the dust settles on all this (and Trac plays on), at the risk of stirring the pot and inviting more malice, I hope we can look forward to a few very public, good natured, but pointed, 'digs' at some of the players. Tom Morris, "Simon, you must have been thrilled with Petracca's performance today". Goody, "Yeah, not bad for a bloke who didn't want to be here, hey Tom?" 

[Dingo 1,170]

7 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

So basically they are accessories to tampering.

Or perhaps “bringing the game into disrepute?”

[Demonsterative 3,021]

7 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

The media are just extra members of the recruiting teams for the clubs they follow. 

I’m very disappointed in Tom Morris then….. 

[Garbo 1,559]

Funny on Monday several shows and news papers went with the narrative Jack was gone, then low and behold less than 24 hours later he signed to stay for an additional 3 years and all I have seen since are crickets from the same media. No apology, no I was wrong they won’t even acknowledge it happened. Shows how reliable there inside knowledge is if they didn’t even know a 3 year extension was imminent 

[Demon Dynasty 17,129]

16 hours ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

We need to start sticking up for ourselves. We remain silent on most things. The media know that the BS stories will not be refuted by the club. At least not straight away. It's clickbait heaven for them.

We should go down the GWS socials team, and start picking on everyone. Use humour to say F U.

Fabulous post.  We are way too conservative in our messaging here.

Let the club's media have some fun with it, provided there's discussion with relevant player in question and he is instigating the charge.

There'a so many clever ways we could hit back and pretty much immediately.

Yes the wolf pack will get the odd piece of inside info to stick if they throw enough mud.  But just like in a classic pie fight, you need to start lobbing the bulk of it (where it's well known that it's completely fabricated crappola) back in their face.

Psychologically this would surely be a great outlet for said player/s also and have some sort of galvanisimg effect om the team/club also yes?

Edited August 20, 2024 by Demon Dynasty

[Smokey 4,389]

23 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

One thing I hope we can get on top on this off-season is the constant leaks out of the club. The media report what they hear and they seem to hear a lot from us. By yesterday evening we had the ins and outs of a player only meeting and a little swipe from the club at the people around Petracca outside the club.

Go back to last year and you have all the stuff that got leaked about Oliver's issues. I know leaks happen but we do seem to have more than other clubs. It just creates fodder for the media and I can't imagine it's good for trust within the club if something you say in confidence gets a run in the papers a couple of days later.

I am open to the possibility that no such leaks exist and that its a throwaway line used by these journos to peddle whatever made up story they are coming up with based on loose inference only. I'll use Trac as an example:

- Strong club with good list under performing 

- Star player out all year under controversial circumstances (medicos sending him back out on the ground) goes MIA on social media (on what we would come to understand as a self-imposed ban)

- Star player expresses concerns with direction club is headed (due to said performance issues)

Headline: "Petracca unhappy with club and open to trade". And here's the brilliant part of it - the headline can't be refuted either way. He stays, well he "was open to a trade", and now isn't. He goes, "Told you he was going". 

I'm not saying with any authority that we don't have issues with leaks, but I don't think its so bad as to quantify all the nonsense around Trac and Viney these last few weeks. 

Journalists are bound by a professional code of ethics which I would love to see enforced upon the AFL media more. In particular, this part of it:

Accuracy and clarity
1. Ensure that factual material in news reports and elsewhere is accurate and not misleading, and is distinguishable from other material such as opinion.

2. Provide a correction or other adequate remedial action if published material is significantly inaccurate or misleading.

https://presscouncil.org.au/standards/statement-of-principles

[Dr. Gonzo 24,435]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

I am open to the possibility that no such leaks exist and that its a throwaway line used by these journos to peddle whatever made up story they are coming up with based on loose inference only. I'll use Trac as an example:

- Strong club with good list under performing 

- Star player out all year under controversial circumstances (medicos sending him back out on the ground) goes MIA on social media (on what we would come to understand as a self-imposed ban)

- Star player expresses concerns with direction club is headed (due to said performance issues)

Headline: "Petracca unhappy with club and open to trade". And here's the brilliant part of it - the headline can't be refuted either way. He stays, well he "was open to a trade", and now isn't. He goes, "Told you he was going". 

I'm not saying with any authority that we don't have issues with leaks, but I don't think its so bad as to quantify all the nonsense around Trac and Viney these last few weeks. 

Journalists are bound by a professional code of ethics which I would love to see enforced upon the AFL media more. In particular, this part of it:

Accuracy and clarity
1. Ensure that factual material in news reports and elsewhere is accurate and not misleading, and is distinguishable from other material such as opinion.

2. Provide a correction or other adequate remedial action if published material is significantly inaccurate or misleading.

https://presscouncil.org.au/standards/statement-of-principles

There is some merit in what you're saying but to think the Petracca story just came from nowhere and was pulled from thin air by Morris is fanciful. Goodwin, Pert and Gawn all spoke in the last week and none refuted the issues. Petracca has not come out to say the whole thing is garbage. There was a players only meeting on Monday where Petracca addressed the group.

Clearly in this case where there is smoke there is fire.

[Robbie87 159]

Listen to the Lever interview this morning on Tim and Garry's SEN program - some might breath a bit easier on the Trac situation...

 

[biggestred 5,237]

20 minutes ago, Robbie87 said:

Listen to the Lever interview this morning on Tim and Garry's SEN program - some might breath a bit easier on the Trac situation...

 

can you give a quick rundown please?

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,556]

4 minutes ago, biggestred said:

can you give a quick rundown please?

It's over on the Trac thread