Christian Petracca

[John Crow Batty 8,763]

3 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

I just don't see a world where Petracca risks voiding a contract worth $5-7m

There will be monetary compensation if does happen.

Edited September 9 by John Crow Batty

[KozzyCan 333]

Just now, John Crow Batty said:

There will be compensation if does happen.

Only if an outcome favourable to Petracca is reached.

[Willmoy1947 3,957]

2 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

They're a union representing one of their members.

This sort of dismissive attitude will not serve us well.

Well surely they don't speak for each other. I don't think that is too dismissive, old chap

[Jaded No More 67,605]

3 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

There will be monetary compensation if does happen.

You didn’t explain to me on what grounds he wins a grievance hearing? 

If he wants to be traded, we will trade him. What he can’t do is demand to be traded to a club of his choice for way less than he’s worth, because in his (non medically factual) opinion he wasn’t treated properly post injury.
That’s not how the AFL works. 

Edited September 9 by Jaded No More

[John Crow Batty 8,763]

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You didn’t explain to me on what grounds he wins a grievance hearing? 

If he wants to be traded, we will trade him. What he can’t do is demand to be traded to a club of his choice for way less than he’s worth. That’s not how the AFL works. 

The AFLPA might answer that question. What’s their game? If it does hypothetically go to grievance, the AFL and certainly the club would not want this to set a precedent. It’s uncharted territory. 

Edited September 9 by John Crow Batty

[hardtack 10,400]

2 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

The report here is that the AFLPA aren't satisfied with the AFL's assessment.

In which case the AFLPA cannot have any real issue with the MFC, because we met all of the AFL’s requirements as they stood at the time. Their issue has to be with the AFL and ONLY the AFL.

[Willmoy1947 3,957]

1 minute ago, John Crow Batty said:

The AFLPA might answer that question. What’s their game? If it does hypothetically go to grievance, the AFL and certainly the club would not want this to set a precedent. It’s uncharted territory. 

AFLPA have just decided to enter the conversation just now, have they. Collectively they have not been able to solve any players grievances for six plus years and failed miserably at their big test before then.

Did someone rattle their chain? Who hates Simon more than Kero? Maybe she just doesn't like that the current Richmond Coach is a distinguished Melbourne player who has shunned her already?

 

[Palace Dees 2,127]

When this all settles, if it the end of the day, the code and ALL clubs provide a safer environment for players kicking a ball, I'll be very satisfied,

[layzie 32,732]

Make it stop.

[Pates 9,624]

3 minutes ago, layzie said:

Make it stop.

Amen brother, but the media don't want it to stop. Every time this story gets a whiff of being snuffed out or moved on, they find a new way to add fuel to it. 

At this point the media and AFLPA are playing the role of Captain Hindsight. Despite actual experts in the field agreeing with the assessments and our doctors even requested the opinion of the AFL employed doctor, they know that if the decision was in their hands they would make 100% the right call.

I do think there could be something to be said of reviewing the way assessments are made, but you can't walk back on the current processes and blame the medical staff for following the protocols that had been put in place.

Also it's worth noting that the moment the doctors pass Christian over the the ambulance workers he was in their care. So all decisions made following that is not on Melbourne, and even then I would argue they weren't abject failures!

[Skuit 9,932]

8 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

That's just a whole lot of incoherent indignation. Wilson clearly doesn't know the full set of the facts, so is throwing out a load of rehashed questions that have either been previously addressed or don't relate to us. 

The miscommunication between the various health transport services? 

May as well pin that on the MFC as well. 

The misdiagnosis of Petracca’s injury?

Wilson's trying to make it sound like misdiagnosis equals malpractice, rather than an ordinary part of the diagnostic process where a medical practioner will come to an initial conclusion based on the information available at the time. 

The fact that he was taken to the Epworth hospital and waited there for hours?

The reason he was there for hours was because he was being treated, and then his vital indications changed. I think Wilson should be very careful here if she is trying to insinuate sub-standard care at Epworth.

Also, as another reminder, once the paramedics arrived, Petracca was no longer under the care of the MFC medical team, to the extent that we were also no longer privy to any new information. 

Why did he go to the Epworth?

I don't know enough about how the healthcare system works in Victoria to properly respond, but I'm guessing you can't just ask for a patient to be admitted to the emergency trauma ward as a precautionary measure without evidence of significant-enough trauma. I imagine you would be directed to another facility for further checks and monitoring. 

Why was not all the information given to the medicos correct?

This is potentially the most serious allegation. But does she mean we gave the paramedics information contrary to what we knew, or that his condition was not yet known, so 'not correct' in hindsight as to the true extent of his injury?  

There were two ambulances at the ground, but a third one was called?

Wilson raises this point before immediately clarifying that as per protocol the two other ambulances must remain at the ground to cater to the public. What is she even trying to get at? 

She seems to be hinting at something that went down between the various ambulance teams or dispatch. Maybe we assumed one of the ambulances on-site could take him, and as such were delayed in calling another so bear some responsibility if the policy was clear? Otherwise, it's not related to us at all.

If it transpires that anyone in a position of authority at the MFC encouraged Trac back out on the ground despite his own potential, evident, reluctance - then we should be in the gun, and perhaps it will shine a light on an industry-wide attitude. If not, we followed league protocols by all reports: if the protocols need to change, then Wilson can go after the AFL and stop using words like 'negligence' and 'wrongdoing' in relation to our football club thanks. 

Meanwhile, I would encourage the MFC to send her team a friendly reminder about defamation laws, and to be very, very careful about how she chooses her future words. 

 

 

 

Edited September 9 by Skuit

[No10 434]

27 minutes ago, Skuit said:

That's just a whole lot of incoherent indignation. Wilson clearly doesn't know the full set of the facts, so is throwing out a load of rehashed questions that have either been previously addressed or don't relate to us. 

The miscommunication between the various health transport services? 

May as well pin that on the MFC as well. 

The misdiagnosis of Petracca’s injury?

Wilson's trying to make it sound like misdiagnosis equals malpractice, rather than an ordinary part of the diagnostic process where a medical practioner will come to an initial conclusion based on the information available at the time. 

The fact that he was taken to the Epworth hospital and waited there for hours?

The reason he was there for hours was because he was being treated, and then his vital indications changed. I think Wilson should be very careful here if she is trying to insinuate sub-standard care at Epworth.

Also, as another reminder, once the paramedics arrived, Petracca was no longer under the care of the MFC medical team, to the extent that we were also no longer privy to any new information. 

Why did he go to the Epworth?

I don't know enough about how the healthcare system works in Victoria to properly respond, but I'm guessing you can't just ask for a patient to be admitted to the emergency trauma ward as a precautionary measure without evidence of significant-enough trauma. I imagine you would be directed to another facility for further checks and monitoring. 

Why was not all the information given to the medicos correct?

This is potentially the most serious allegation. But does she mean we gave the paramedics information contrary to what we knew, or that his condition was not yet known, so 'not correct' in hindsight as to the true extent of his injury?  

There were two ambulances at the ground, but a third one was called?

Wilson raises this point before immediately clarifying that as per protocol the two other ambulances must remain at the ground to cater to the public. What is she even trying to get at? 

She seems to be hinting at something that went down between the various ambulance teams or dispatch. Maybe we assumed one of the ambulances on-site could take him, and as such were delayed in calling another so bear some responsibility if the policy was clear? Otherwise, it's not related to us at all.

If it transpires that anyone in a position of authority at the MFC encouraged Trac back out on the ground despite his own potential, evident, reluctance - then we should be in the gun, and perhaps it will shine a light on an industry-wide attitude. If not, we followed league protocols by all reports: if the protocols need to change, then Wilson can go after the AFL and stop using words like 'negligence' and 'wrongdoing' in relation to our football club thanks. 

Meanwhile, I would encourage the MFC to send her team a friendly reminder about defamation laws, and to be very, very careful about how she chooses her future words. 

 

 

 

I usually like Caro honestly, I know that’s not a popular opinion here.

This all reads to me as fairly standard. Epworth is the closest and a highly rated hospital. He was then transferred to the Alfred for specialist care.

The biggest issue appears to be the emotional impact a phone call from the hospital to his girlfriend that alarmed her.

That seems to have escalated the emotional response tremendously. However, these calls are common and steer toward worst case. Ultimately, most people who have had this kind of experience understand that’s part of life and move on, for whatever reason that doesn’t seem to have been the case and the trauma increased.

I would also say, without any medical insight, that the fact he was given a full vaccination has to be considered as a known factor for the appendicitis that followed. Not sure that’s avoidable in the situation, but a shame those events happened so close together.

[No10 434]

3 hours ago, Pates said:

Amen brother, but the media don't want it to stop. Every time this story gets a whiff of being snuffed out or moved on, they find a new way to add fuel to it. 

At this point the media and AFLPA are playing the role of Captain Hindsight. Despite actual experts in the field agreeing with the assessments and our doctors even requested the opinion of the AFL employed doctor, they know that if the decision was in their hands they would make 100% the right call.

I do think there could be something to be said of reviewing the way assessments are made, but you can't walk back on the current processes and blame the medical staff for following the protocols that had been put in place.

Also it's worth noting that the moment the doctors pass Christian over the the ambulance workers he was in their care. So all decisions made following that is not on Melbourne, and even then I would argue they weren't abject failures!

Agree about captain hindsight going on here.

Perhaps worth considering that the Trac family are emotional (or not the most emotionally mature?) and in that instance it might’ve been smart to send someone from the club to help mediate.

The club should know its players and partner/family well enough to make that assessment. In this case, maybe it was not the best management by the club?

[Ugottobekidding 1,046]

The club needs to offload him for the best offer. Having him at the club is gonna set us back big time next year.

[The Jackson FIX 2,680]

What is happening here - has Christian requested the AFLPA investigate or is this something they are conducting as a matter of process?

[Skuit 9,932]

51 minutes ago, No10 said:

I usually like Caro honestly, I know that’s not a popular opinion here.

This all reads to me as fairly standard. Epworth is the closest and a highly rated hospital. He was then transferred to the Alfred for specialist care.

Being an outsider, it's some of these things I'm unfamiliar with. It's a private hospital? Do we or the AFL have a contact with the hospital? If I were to fall off the monkey-bars in the playground just outside of the MCG, and my friends called emergency services and said I was in a fair bit of pain, what would be the response? Who comes to get me and take me where?

Are the ambulances from Epworth privately bidden? Are they networked in with the public system? Does dispatch ask if I have insurance, and then send me somewhere accordingly? What happens if my friends drive me to and drop me off at the Alfred? Is Caroline Wilson aware that you can't just go in for explorative surgery if a need for an operation hasn't yet been identified?

A few years ago my mother was visiting me in Amsterdam and was very suddenly in a lot of pain. I took her to the hospital and they told me to go find a doctor and get a referral first before rocking up to emergency. I held my ground and it ended up being an emergency, but I guess they were just following their own protocols. 

Is the healthcare system the same in Australia as the Netherlands? 

[Skuit 9,932]

9 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

What is happening here - has Christian requested the AFLPA investigate or is this something they are conducting as a matter of process?

Maybe the AFLPA's governance needs to be investigated if no-one thought to ask any questions until the top boss was back from three months leave? I totally think they should ask those questions though from a player welfare point of view, but it's now incumbent on them if they have leaked to clarify if they have an issue with the MFC or AFL, and what an 'investigation' - in Wilson's ultimately wound-back words, actually means, and do to so with the upmost transparency. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,145]

7 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Only if an outcome favourable to Petracca is reached.

A week ago, Christian Petracca confirmed his position as a contracted Melbourne player. He’s not wasting his time and money trying to overturn centuries of settled contract law. The only favourable outcome to be reached for him now is Melbourne’s 2025 premiership. 

[Skuit 9,932]

21 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

A week ago, Christian Petracca confirmed his position as a contracted Melbourne player. He’s not wasting his time and money trying to overturn centuries of settled contract law. The only favourable outcome to be reached for him now is Melbourne’s 2025 premiership. 

Are you speaking from a lawyer's perspective @Whispering_Jack? 

[Jaded No More 67,605]

Every player who is taken to hospital from the MCG goes to the Epworth. It’s the closest private hospital. And of course players get taken to a private hospital so they can be seen to immediately. 
If the ambulance took him to the Alfred with nothing more than suspected broken ribs, he’d be in the waiting room for 4+ hours before anyone would even see him. At a level 1 trauma centre, broken ribs rate very low on the triage scale.

Also a reminder that Melbourne has no say in his care the minute he gets into an ambulance. 

Another reminder is May being sent directly to hospital after breaking his ribs the first time, because he indicated trouble breathing (due to the lung puncture he sustained).

If Trac at any point said he couldn’t breath, his pain was a 10, or he wasn’t willing to get back on the ground, does anyone really think we would have told him “well suck it up”? 
There is absolutely no evidence we would have done that. 

[Whispering_Jack 29,145]

3 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Are you speaking from a lawyer's perspective @Whispering_Jack? 

Retired now but that’s my recollection of the law. Mainly speaking as a Demon fan which is basically what this site’s about.

[Skuit 9,932]

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Every player who is taken to hospital from the MCG goes to the Epworth. It’s the closest private hospital. And of course players get taken to a private hospital so they can be seen to immediately. 

If the ambulance took him to the Alfred with nothing more than suspected broken ribs, he’d be in the waiting room for 4+ hours before anyone would even see him. At a level 1 trauma centre, broken ribs rate very low on the triage scale.

Is this a fact Jaded?

[chookrat 4,201]

I'm wondering whether it would be worthwhile for the Club to pursue a number of defamation suits with the media following recent reporting.  If we prioritise which cases to pursue where we have factual and procedural details documented, such as the handling of Tracc's injury, steering clear of anything involving culture and allegations re player behaviour, and engage external lawyers then I would think we could line our coffers while firing a warning shot to the media, while setting the record straight with members and the public.

[Neil Crompton 5,308]

If the players association involvement leads to an outcome where player safety procedure is improved then I am all for it - and I’m sure this is their aim, rather than having a pot shot at the MFC, as a number on here seem to believe.

[Skuit 9,932]

3 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

If the players association involvement leads to an outcome where player safety procedure is improved then I am all for it - and I’m sure this is their aim, rather than having a pot shot at the MFC, as a number on here seem to believe.

I think we should all separate our own personal grievances with the club, or AFL, from how the media is reporting these issues. People on here are backing the misrepresentation of the club to support their own political agendas. We should stand united in getting to the truth, be it favourable or not.