10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

If you want to enrage your Carlton mates ...

You're welcome

Rumour has it he missed that goal.

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

macca, i don't see why petracca can't make a full recovery.

i've mentioned it before but my brother had a very similar incident. his spleen was so bad they removed it entirely. he also played out the game only collapsing when he got home. dr said he was 30m from dying. anyway he missed the rest of the season, but then went on to play a further 5 years at state level  footy.

now all that was about 50 years ago and i'm damn sure medicine has improved since then

That's one example but each medical emergency is possibly/probably different from the next.  

I'll take the conservative view that I can't see how he can pass a medical before the trade window ends

Besides all that, is he going to be the same player if and when he returns anyway?  

Would we willingly take him if it was roles reversed?  I'd say a majority on this site alone would say no

Most here don't want a fit & firing Houston

But a banged up 29yo who can't even go on a light jog and with what seems like a million issues?  No thanks

Ask your friends and acquaintances about whether they'd want him?  

 

Tracc is on a long term contract. North would be interested in him for sure. Pick 2 and compo pick 20 for starters.

Tracc is 28 and hitting his straps.

Tracc can get 2 slices of the pie - gets out of the Dees and gets a local club.

We only get one slice of the pie - a live with deal. Still overall balanced in Traccs favour but i can live with it.

Contacts = 2 way give and take

 

 

Just now, Fat Tony said:

Carlton's salary cap would be tight as a drum.....

that's never stopped them before.

3 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

No hope in hell are we giving him up for nothing.

No future first rounders.

A top 5 gun , for a gun or two , or three first round picks.

Lets see who really wants him.

i reckon Richmond are the only club that could do this deal. 

I suspect that Richmond will go into full rebuild mode via the draft. A player like Tracc would have been great for them couple of years ago, to squeeze in one more flag. Now they need the high draft picks.

Not smart business from the Trac camp if you ask me. Yes he’s been through a traumatic experience this year but my advice would be to get back on the field first before starting this “I’m taking my talents to south beach” nonsense. 

Fine, if you wanna play in front of the big crowds cos that’s what think you you deserve (you [censored]) but there’s plenty to go right before you even get back out in front of any crowd. Maybe he thinks it’s now or never cos he’s realised the impermanence of existence but can’t imagine it going down well if the Blues or Filth or whoever put up a whole bunch of picks and players and their fans get to watch cooking vids from Noosa while he spends 2025 in recovery. 

Trying to back us into a corner by dropping every excuse under the sun is hurting us but if he can’t be honest about it with himself, the club or his teammates and won’t front up to the fans then he can sit on the bench at Casey next year for all I care and we can reassess whether he’d like to be a little less demanding about where he plays in 2026. 

Some players want to carry their club, some want to be put on a pedestal. Patty Cripps had any reasons over the past decade to be a bit miffed with the blues? He’s stayed and carried that club when it would’ve been easier to walk to a contender. Give me a leader like that any day of the week. 

Just now, Fat Tony said:

 

I still think he will most likely be a Demon in six weeks and we should plan accordingly.

 

I agree. I think serious meditation is needed between the parties. If The MFC are still not entirely sure what all the grievances are then, meditation sessions must happen soon. 
At least we have 6 weeks…

14 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Unlike Harry Mckays manager who's simply stated that Harry doesn't want to leave Carlton and is very happy where he is.

Simple effective communication. Sigh...

I don't see why they don't just put out the minimum which is plainly obvious something like 'Christian is currently recovering from a traumatic period and is not in a position to speak publicly yet. We appreciate the clubs patience with this matter' etc.

That would at least get the media off his back. They're going to town on him.

That sort of statement would do absolutely nothing. The media would go to town on it ("Petracca refuses to commit"). Members and Demonlanders would do the same.

North would be one club where we could get a win win trade. They need mature experience and someone to set standards, and they have a picks and players we would be interested in, anyone from LDU down to Larky. 

What a shame that Trac would not be caught dead at Arden st. 

4 minutes ago, raDeelaide said:

Rumour has it he missed that goal.

It was touched on the line by Marchbank.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Sammy Edmund this morning.

Christian Petracca

“These are the facts as we know it. He wants to leave Melbourne. He wants to play for another club. He wants it to be a big Victorian club with all the resources that sit behind that,” Edmund said.

“Over the weekend and into yesterday he made it clear to the Demons that he wants to be traded with the five years remaining on that contract worth $1 million per season.

“Melbourne remain absolutely resolute publicly and privately that he will not be traded under any circumstances.

“I can tell you Melbourne aren’t even completely clear as to what his issues are, which is incredible.

“Depending on who Petracca talks to, it’s different. If he talks to the players, his issue is with the leadership of the club and when he talks to the leadership, his issue is with the players and the off-field stuff.

“The brand side of things has always been very important to him and then there’s even some who wonder whether his relationship with Ben Simmons on the other side of the planet had something to do with it all.

“The club is so disappointed and so bemused by it all. They’re completely perplexed. They thought it would simmer down, but it’s now abundantly clear that that’s not the case.

“Some relationships with teammates are going to need repairing if he is to remain there. There’s some real frustration there.”

Of course the club is bemused because the real issue is that someone is in his ear every day telling him they can make more money through his brand if he goes to another club. The rest is just white noise.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I never said they are reading this thread. I said they probably Google their name and come to see what is being said about them. It's definitely not everyone, but as if an 18 year old isn't doing that.

And where is the ageist slur? I was making a point that most young men with an ego big enough to play footy, would be curious to see what is being said about them online.

Social media wasn't a big thing when I was 18, but I have a teenager and I can see just how they operate around this sort of stuff. I reckon you'd be shocked the amount of stuff that is written on here that gets back to players, either directly or indirectly.

And Trac wouldn't give one single hoot what anyone at our club thinks about him, let alone the supporters. 

The original post in this line of conversation was about players reading THIS thread. Keep up

You questioned if the internet was around in my 20s. You are trying to unnecessarily age me. That's being ageist.

Have a good day!

Edited August 27, 2024Aug 27 by Moonshadow

6 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Carlton's salary cap would be tight as a drum. Any trade there would have to involve multiple players being moved out.

The Pies have no picks and would also have a tight salary cap.

We are going to ask for the world and fair enough too.

I still think he will most likely be a Demon in six weeks and we should plan accordingly.

 

Or payments outside the cap. Could Tracs Mrs be a Visy ambassador? 

4 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Carlton's salary cap would be tight as a drum. Any trade there would have to involve multiple players being moved out.

 

I suspect that players like Martin, Marchbank, Cunningham and maybe even Williams will be out the door soon. Martin and Williams are apparently on high contracts.

Still, provision needs to be made for Weitering and TDK so its not an easy task.

I think everyone in the AFL, the club and supporters understand that he has gone through a traumatic experience and is struggling mentally. He has mentioned this in the interviews and also explained he is seeing a psychologist who specialises in trauma. I think the thing that is perplexing to most, is this is probably not the time to be making life altering decisions, such as completely moving away from a club you have been at for 10 years and have built up many strong friendships. I understand that emotions of been high for him and his family, but surely if you're close to him you're saying Christian get yourself right, spend time working on recovery both physically and mentally and once you've done that let's discuss your plans. That might mean next year you play at Melbourne, but at least you've taken the time and worked on getting back to playing good football before leaving. If this time next year he still wants to leave then I think the club should do so.

2 hours ago, BDA said:

i'm assuming a late withdrawal. 

yep, brandus interruptus

3 minutes ago, loges said:

Of course the club is bemused because the real issue is that someone is in his ear every day telling him they can make more money through his brand if he goes to another club. The rest is just white noise.

Novel way to cut numbers for the wedding, I'll give him that

Every pies supporter i know say they hate Carlton. If Trac's family are as dyed in the wool pies as i'm led to believe then they wouldn't be happy with him going to Carlton at all. 

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

It sounds like the issues are just excuses, and his injury is being seen by those closest to him as a golden ticket into a bigger club.

Read the extract from the podcast, where he talks about footy just being footy, and the social media stuff.

The fact that he's telling different people different reasons, and even the people I speak to about this have no definite idea what the core of his issue is, tells me that this is all a way to cash in while he can.

If his issues were shared by the rest of the playing group, do you think there would be such angst towards him?

Thank god Jaded someone on here actually gets it. I know the people running the site have to protect themselves but they did posters on here no favours by deleting Chook in Perth's post.

3 minutes ago, loges said:

Of course the club is bemused because the real issue is that someone is in his ear every day telling him they can make more money through his brand if he goes to another club. The rest is just white noise.

He is right no one can nail down the issues. Even Caro who has bagged our handling of many issues cant nail down the issues and questioned whether Tracc could be a bit selfish.

I think for us to get a good deal it has to be North. Picks 2 and 20 for starters.

The club should go to Trac, ask him to see a psychologist with or without people from the club and put it all out on the table in a safe environment. Then if he still wants to leave in 5 weeks time then he must understand that we will entertain trades but they have to be a minimum 2+ top 7 picks to even answer the call. If not, come back put it behind you and we try for another flag.

No animosity, no grudges just the fact that the MFC has to win this and if he still feels the same at the end of 25 then we do it all over again.

If the bridge can't be mended with Petracca, then we seriously need to put in a new regime. Ridiculous the current group has allowed it to get to this point.

3 years after a flag and we'll have lost Brayshaw, Petracca and massive question marks over whether Oliver can ever get back to his best. May, Gawn and Viney all on the wrong side of 30. This does not a flag contender make.

Best thing for the club will be to try and hoard draft picks and reset the list with young talent. Avoid a long rebuild and sort out all the off-field stuff.

19 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

If Trac retires next year - what is a fair compo from the AFL 1 or 2 first rounders?

Can he retire, for a few months and then nominate a team? Or for a season and then nominate whoever?

25 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

It's actually hilarious.  If you scroll through Sam McCluess'article in the age he covers his 'you know what' by stating ' everyone knows the chances of a trade are remote'. Elsewhere he has used words to the effect" I'm not saying this is going to happen". Hahaha 🤣Comedy capers. Talk about 50 cents each way. Isn't this the same individual that told the football world emphatically that Harley Reid will not end up at West Coast? And people still fall for his junk. Oh for the great football journalists a la Percy Beames, Mike Sheahan etc. The standard is so poor it's plain embarrassing. 

Run the counter-factual.

If there was no truth to any of this, why hasn't Petracca or his manager said so?

There is, for example, no truth to the Harry McKay stuff, as we know his manager has said as much today.

But if there was, as you seem to think, no truth to any of the Petracca stuff, it's a very simple solution for him or his manager to say so.

The fact that they haven't is all you need to know that there is at least some truth to what is going on. And that's before you get to the people who are citing this who are not McClure (e.g. Cal Twomey, who AFAK is never wrong, agreed with it two weeks ago, Sam Edmund's agreed with it, Matthew Lloyd's had word of it, Caro's heard it, Damian Barrett's heard it).

I lean far more to the optimistic side than the pessimistic side, I honestly think Trac is my favourite ever Melbourne player, and I will be genuinely sad if he ever plays for any other club, but it is mindboggling to me that anyone would still be suggesting this might all be made up.

10 minutes ago, Macca said:

That's one example but each medical emergency is possibly/probably different from the next.  

I'll take the conservative view that I can't see how he can pass a medical before the trade window ends

Besides all that, is he going to be the same player if and when he returns anyway?  

Would we willingly take him if it was roles reversed?  I'd say a majority on this site alone would say no

Most here don't want a fit & firing Houston

But a banged up 29yo who can't even go on a light jog and with what seems like a million issues?  No thanks

Ask your friends and acquaintances about whether they'd want him?  

 

I'm positive that's the card most clubs will play for sure.

"Oh Gee, he's damaged goods, mmmmm can't pass the medical, mmmm oh we'll risk it but he's not worth anywhere what you want for him sorry"

Doesn't mean he won't bounce back. It's just the card they'll play to talk his value down for sure.

I don't think our cards aren't as strong as we think.