20 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Not to mention playing in the tropics last week.

Be very surprised if Goody has something to do with that.

What game was held in the tropics?

15 minutes ago, BDA said:

I really don't know if its the players or the coach

If we had McCrae and his coaching ticket would they be able to instil composure and improve our skills execution.

I don't know the answer

but if the answer is yes, and the brains trust at the MFC think there is a coach out there that can improve us in these departments then the change should be made.

I don’t think so.

As others have mentioned earlier, today’s probably not the day to have a go at him. He had some tactical wins and put us in a genuine position to beat this year’s premiers (They’ll win it as they’ll leverage off the MCG home advantage in finals)

However, he’s the “CEO” of all on-field matters and the facts are we keep losing the games that go down to the wire and we keep losing games despite having more scoring shots.

Since the Alice Srings game against GWS in round 16 2023 we are 2-9 in games decided by 6 points or less. That is an absolutely deplorable stat.

Furthermore, in the goal kicking thread I listed a long list of losses since the 2022 Brisbane semi final whereby we’ve absolutely thrown games down the drain by outscoring the oppo but losing the game. Collingwood and Carlton featured heavily in this list and lo and behold, we’ve lost another game to Collingwood where we’ve had more scoring shots but lost. We ofcourse haven’t won a game this year where we’ve had less scoring shots.

It’s essentially coming up to three full seasons whereby these underrated but costly miscues keep on plaguing us as a football club. Unless these things start turning around, Goodwin will coach us to round 24 2026 at the latest, we shake hands and wish each other best.

41 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

I mean is it Goodwin telling them to bomb in long as per the years prior, or is he now telling them not to and they aren’t listening to him?

We burn chances at hitting a target for a long bomb to a contest (mostly outnumbered) like no other club ever has.

Why are we always outnumbered? Because every coach knows we still bomb long, occasionally we get out head right and play smart, mostly it’s under 10s slam it on the boot stuff.

But he ain’t being sacked this year or this off season. We can’t afford to pay him out, so buckle up and “enjoy?” The ride.

Gawd NO!

38 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

Isn’t this a massive failure of Goodwin? Because we have been doing this for how long now? He’s clearly not telling them to do it but yet we do, why can’t he teach them not to?

Spot on. End of the day the buck stops with the senior coach. The same shortcomings have existed with his teams for years

14 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

As others have mentioned earlier, today’s probably not the day to have a go at him. He had some tactical wins and put us in a genuine position to beat this year’s premiers (They’ll win it as they’ll leverage off the MCG home advantage in finals)

However, he’s the “CEO” of all on-field matters and the facts are we keep losing the games that go down to the wire and we keep losing games despite having more scoring shots.

Since the Alice Srings game against GWS in round 16 2023 we are 2-9 in games decided by 6 points or less. That is an absolutely deplorable stat.

Furthermore, in the goal kicking thread I listed a long list of losses since the 2022 Brisbane semi final whereby we’ve absolutely thrown games down the drain by outscoring the oppo but losing the game. Collingwood and Carlton featured heavily in this list and lo and behold, we’ve lost another game to Collingwood where we’ve had more scoring shots but lost. We ofcourse haven’t won a game this year where we’ve had less scoring shots.

It’s essentially coming up to three full seasons whereby these underrated but costly miscues keep on plaguing us as a football club. Unless these things start turning around, Goodwin will coach us to round 24 2026 at the latest, we shake hands and wish each other best.

Our kicking has cost us 2 additional premierships . Two. Let that sink in

Disgusting

I've seen so much rubbish written on this thread and stayed off it for the most part.

Will again.

The reality is that our team is as inept (historically inept at that) as they come in terms of offence/offensive efficiency.

We have great players at contest and defence and Goodwin for the most part knows how to take advantage of that.

However, at the enf of the da, these games are won by the numbers you put up in the scoreboard.

And to me, it is not only the goal kicking (which is very bad) but also decision making/execution.

To illustrate that, during the first 15 minutes of the first quarter we were having some ascendency and should've scored more goals. The one play that annoys me is that one where Melksham gets a great mark and Kozzy is running free towards goal. Then Melksham proceed to kick to a contest instead of kicking to space where most likely Kozzy had a chance to grab the ball free and in front of any defender.

Some may think that's an irrelevant play but momentum is everything in Footy. You kick that goal we are up 2 goals and start to build confidence and positive energy.

The Filth had 4 of their best starting 18 out today. We had 1.

I just wish we could pull the trigger now and get rid of him. In other sports, this would have already been done - a long time ago now. It all comes down to efficiency and effectiveness. How many inside 50's and score board inefficiency do we have to cop, before a coach gets the sack. Its just ridiculous.

Collingwood are given a leg up by some very good football IQ amongst their veterans but continuing to lose games n the same fashion for 3 years has to eventually burst the bubble.

I said in the postgame thread, one of Pendles or Sidebottom in our side and we win that. Collingwood always looked comfortable, even when we threw everything at them they could manufacture a goal, almost instantly.

Our team is so hot and cold with confidence and composure, it was the deciding factor today.

I’m not sure this falls directly on Goody, but he certainly hasn’t been able to instill complete confidence for the past 3 years.

2 minutes ago, BW511 said:

Collingwood are given a leg up by some very good football IQ amongst their veterans but continuing to lose games n the same fashion for 3 years has to eventually burst the bubble.

I said in the postgame thread, one of Pendles or Sidebottom in our side and we win that. Collingwood always looked comfortable, even when we threw everything at them they could manufacture a goal, almost instantly.

Our team is so hot and cold with confidence and composure, it was the deciding factor today.

I’m not sure this falls directly on Goody, but he certainly hasn’t been able to instill complete confidence for the past 3 years.

He's been responsible (along with the rest of his staff) of making our forward line worse YOY.

He has now lost JVR and Fritsch, the two most composed and accurate kicks we had.

4 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

He has now lost JVR and Fritsch, the two most composed and accurate kicks we had.

how has he lost fritsch. he kicked 6 goals under Goody in a grand final

25 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

The reality is that our team is as inept (historically inept at that) as they come in terms of offence/offensive efficiency.

We have great players at contest and defence and Goodwin for the most part knows how to take advantage of that.

However, at the enf of the da, these games are won by the numbers you put up in the scoreboard.

And to me, it is not only the goal kicking (which is very bad) but also decision making/execution.

To illustrate that, during the first 15 minutes of the first quarter we were having some ascendency and should've scored more goals. The one play that annoys me is that one where Melksham gets a great mark and Kozzy is running free towards goal. Then Melksham proceed to kick to a contest instead of kicking to space where most likely Kozzy had a chance to grab the ball free and in front of any defender.

Some may think that's an irrelevant play but momentum is everything in Footy. You kick that goal we are up 2 goals and start to build confidence and positive energy.

That one hurt. Fritsch playing on needlessly twice hurt, a couple of should haves that missed hurt. Today was painful. Season over and the players knew it. I'm expecting a fairly tiresome end to a disappointing season.

I feel we play a lot of games not to lose, as opposed to going on the offensive. That’s on Goody.

Again today it was our inaccuracy that cost us the game. Like I said last week, he can’t kick the goals, so the past 2 losses aren’t all Goody’s fault (and this is coming from a fairly staunch Goodwin doubter).

I’d be getting rid of Chocco before Goodwin.

4 minutes ago, BDA said:

how has he lost fritsch. he kicked 6 goals under Goody in a grand final

I am referring to their current performance, both a shadow of their former selfs.

1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I am referring to their current performance, both a shadow of their former selfs.

I’d agree that player development isn’t exactly a strength of SG.

9 minutes ago, BDA said:

how has he lost fritsch. he kicked 6 goals under Goody in a grand final

Nearly 4 years ago

Very different team

2 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’d agree that player development isn’t exactly a strength of SG.

Worse part is that they are not stagnant, Fritta and JVR. They are regressing.

Honestly JVR is the one major worry to me. He had shown talent and mongrel. Where's that gone? Maybe some off-field situation that is messing up with his psichy/mind, otherwise I can't understand what happened to him.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

As others have mentioned earlier, today’s probably not the day to have a go at him. He had some tactical wins and put us in a genuine position to beat this year’s premiers (They’ll win it as they’ll leverage off the MCG home advantage in finals)

However, he’s the “CEO” of all on-field matters and the facts are we keep losing the games that go down to the wire and we keep losing games despite having more scoring shots.

Since the Alice Srings game against GWS in round 16 2023 we are 2-9 in games decided by 6 points or less. That is an absolutely deplorable stat.

Furthermore, in the goal kicking thread I listed a long list of losses since the 2022 Brisbane semi final whereby we’ve absolutely thrown games down the drain by outscoring the oppo but losing the game. Collingwood and Carlton featured heavily in this list and lo and behold, we’ve lost another game to Collingwood where we’ve had more scoring shots but lost. We ofcourse haven’t won a game this year where we’ve had less scoring shots.

It’s essentially coming up to three full seasons whereby these underrated but costly miscues keep on plaguing us as a football club. Unless these things start turning around, Goodwin will coach us to round 24 2026 at the latest, we shake hands and wish each other best.

I couldn’t have said it better myself @Bring-Back-Powell

On the one hand you have to give Goody credit for devising a gameplan that consistently has us in positions to win games against the best clubs

And I don’t doubt the effort and intent of our players, as well as their love of the coach

But I have to say I’m sick to death of these losses where we have more shots against our opposition but come up short because our players lack any sort of composure - both in front of goal and when making decisions with ball in hand

The difference today with how Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Howe managed that last five minutes compared to our senior players is damning

It’s cost us both home and away wins, finals wins and dare I say a Premiership somewhere between 2022-24

Ultimately the buck stops with Goody and as much as he’s done for this club, he has failed massively to get our players in the right headspace to finish all of the good work they do

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Worse part is that they are not stagnant, Fritta and JVR. They are regressing.

Honestly JVR is the one major worry to me. He had shown talent and mongrel. Where's that gone? Maybe some off-field situation that is messing up with his psichy/mind, otherwise I can't understand what happened to him.

Posted a similar comment in another thread. If you look at other young forwards at other clubs, they take time to develop but generally improve year on year. Sadly I don’t think we can say that about JVR and starting to get a good number of games under his belt so it is a decent body of evidence to draw comparisons.

Bottom Line

Goodwin gets a lot right, but going forward since he arrived has been “Hack and Hope”

That is something we have done since 2022

A 1 point loss = 0 points

The season is over……

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Skills ... who's that on ?

I'm asking generally as this is a major concern.

Recruiters, skill coaches and players. Not the head coach, unless you think him telling recruiters to prioritise contest over skill is a contributing factor. It may be but it also won us a flag.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Today isn't the day for flogging the coach.

All attention ought be directed to the maggots.

Yes ...much we can improve..

But the umpiring was the real difference today.

For agenda setting morons (not directed at you) it is, you just know after a game like today who is going to be commenting on this thread.

Goodwin, the entire footy department and for the most part the playing group got their planning and execution right today and plaudits for that.

The resident clowns and one in particular have made their mind up, the nail is in the coffin because

Fritsch played on 15m out

Oliver panicked when a side step and 45 hits a fwd 35-40m out free

Trac handballs fwd to a Collingwood outnumber

Kossie doesn’t learn from getting away with dropping the ball on the ground after giving away a free kick last week

Yet all the above players were part of applying the pressure for 4 quarters to get us in the position against the team who I suspect will be there on preliminary final day as a minimum

The same clown who questioned the FD for selecting Howes and not Jeffo. A person with an ounce of integrity and an open mind would acknowledge they get that wrong given the role Howes played in negating Hill.

But every week the same rhetoric

The game plan should be working but players are going long to a 1v2 or 3 & ignoring free players who could attack free space, this has been happening for the last 3 seasons, so who’s to blame, either Goodwin can’t fix it or our players are thickheads!