Oliver Trade Rumours

[deejammin' 2,373]

31 minutes ago, JJJ said:

There is also a difference between Petty wanting a trade and the 2 best players in the last 30 years wanting a trade in the same off season. (Just on Petty, his situation changed but he also tanked his value, Adelaide withdrew the offer and tried to low ball him)

We should be happy that the club has settled on a course of action. What we shouldn’t be happy about is how we’ve had our logo used as a pin cushion by the media. Unfortunately it’s mostly self inflicted. Trac’s little adventure is well documented. We handled that situation like rank amateurs. 

Oliver’s situation is similar. We’ve had many opportunities to resolve this months ago but we’ve let things fester.

I am happy for people to believe whatever they want in regards to whether it’s the media or player agents or inside sources but let’s all be honest and admit that a lot of these rumours and stories come from the players. 

I need to take a break from posting as I’ve been overdoing it lately but on Petty you’re not quite right there. Petty’s situation changed, that was the main motivation for signing at MFC, if he’d wanted to see another AFC deal he would’ve waited til much closer to the seasons end. It had nothing to do with ‘tanking his value’, while many at our club are frustrated with him as a forward his value as a defender, which AFC wanted, remains. 
On Trac, yes it’s possible the club could’ve done better. But it was also a once in a lifetime trauma that changed Trac’s entire outlook and made him reassess. It’s possible that if Kate Roffey sent him a dozen red roses every day in the second half of the year he still asks for a trade, trauma is complex. 
Oliver came up again largely because we put him up last year as a threat and clubs are still sniffing around and it went viral because the media are after us in the wake of Roffey’s sacking and just generally have been for the last 3 years. Geelong were aggressive and here we are. 

Clearly the club has problems, our President just left and we have two reviews going. But as someone who works for an organisation in a different industry that copped some negative media treatment in recent years I’ve seen first hand how an organisation painted as a “circus” in the media can just have one or two loose cannons or two feuding individuals and once resolved be revealed to have had a majority excellent culture and dedicated professional environment. It’s never as good as it’s reported, it’s never as bad.
 

I think we need to be careful not to tear our club apart at the instigation of outside forces who either don’t care what happens to us, or have grudges and direct hatred they want sated. 

Edited October 7 by deejammin'

[roy11 3,893]

100 pages you say

 

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26 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I agree with you.

But, what if Trac and Clazza came out early and stated their commitment to the club as soon as the rumours started? They didn’t. We looked stupid. 

The length of the two threads is reflective of our management and comms.

The other effect is it flushes out what players are tradable at rival teams.

Black ops.

In reality we are not trading premiership winning mids for chicken change.

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11 minutes ago, deejammin' said:

I need to take a break from posting as I’ve been overdoing it lately but on Petty you’re not quite right there. Petty’s situation changed, that was the main motivation for signing at MFC, if he’d wanted to see another AFC deal he would’ve waited til much closer to the seasons end. It had nothing to do with ‘tanking his value’, while many at our club are frustrated with him as a forward his value as a defender, which AFC wanted, remains. 
On Trac, yes it’s possible the club could’ve done better. But it was also a once in a lifetime trauma that changed Trac’s entire outlook and made him reassess. It’s possible that if Kate Roffey sent him a dozen red roses every day in the second half of the year he still asks for a trade, trauma is complex. 
Oliver came up again largely because we put him up last year as a threat and clubs are still sniffing around and it went viral because the media are after us in the wake of Roffey’s sacking and just generally have been for the last 3 years. Geelong were aggressive and here we are. 

Clearly the club has problems, our President just left and we have two reviews going. But as someone who works for an organisation in a different industry that copped some negative media treatment in recent years I’ve seen first hand how an organisation painted as a “circus” in the media can just have one or two loose cannons or two feuding individuals and once resolved be revealed to have had a majority excellent culture and dedicated professional environment. It’s never as good as it’s reported, it’s never as bad.
 

I think we need to be careful not to tear our club apart at the instigation of outside forces who either don’t care what happens to us, or have grudges and direct hatred they want sated. 

Your last two paragraphs are very succinct as the hysteria that has been created and stoked and re-stoked on this site has shown us to be very vulnerable and has provoked savage attacks on members of our club without proven evidence or verifiable statements to support their claims.

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6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

You run toward your fear not away from it.

I will never. Ever. Ever. Run towards snakes.

[JJJ 1,313]

I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

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18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Someone needs to buy this man a large vat of alcohol. That was brutal.

Imagine being a list manager, and having the club implode around you while you're trying to get deals done. 

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14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

That was cringeworthy. I thought I was listening to Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister. And why would he even need to say that the List Management team were united? United against whom?

[Damo 3,374]

.. and then walk out into the next room with a towering Pert who asks 'how did that go? All ok?".

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2 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That was cringeworthy. I thought I was listening to Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister. And why would he even need to say that the List Management team were united? United against whom?

Whom indeed mo64 what are you inferring, just asking for a friend???

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21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

It's interesting watching Tim Lamb think before giving his answers. I respect that. You can tell he is being very prudent with what he says.

Dan Houston losing interest in coming to the Demons is definitely a concern though.

We want to be a "destination Club" for star AFL players.

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1 minute ago, Supreme_Demon said:

It's interesting watching Tim Lamb think before giving his answers. I respect that. You can tell he is being very prudent with what he says.

Dan Houston losing interest in coming to the Demons is definitely a concern though.

We want to be a "destination Club" for star AFL players.

You can thank "The Brand" for that. 

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12 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

Particularly the long pause after the question as to whether we were currently an attractive destination club for players seeking a trade. Ouch.

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The sacrificial Lamb in every sense. Gotta feel for him having to stump up for that.

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7 minutes ago, He de mon said:

The sacrificial Lamb in every sense. Gotta feel for him having to stump up for that.

Yep. Not his mess, but ultimately his job is the one that suffers the most. 

[Roost it far 8,575]

Personally I thought he played it well. He's not at the club to be a media performer. He answered pretty honestly considering what's been going on. Whether he is the right man for the job should always be up for debate but hanging him for that interview....i don't think so. He didn't "Roffey" it.  Feels to me that Pert's walking away unscathed and considering where we find ourselves that's plain wrong imho. I don't think our President and board are up to the job and I hope the reviews point the spotlight firmly in their direction. As for Pert, I hope we're actively looking for a replacement.

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30 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That was cringeworthy. I thought I was listening to Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister. And why would he even need to say that the List Management team were united? United against whom?

You!

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16 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Whom indeed mo64 what are you inferring, just asking for a friend???

The CEO and the Board. 

This is just my take, but I think that Lamb knows that his position is tenuous. Maybe he's just trying to save face by distancing himself from the Petracca and Oliver debacle, by saying that all List Managment decisions are made by a collective. I think the review will see Lamb and Richardson moved on.

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It’s a very tough gig.!!

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

I’ve been critical of his list management over past few years but I’ve always been impressed with his straight bat when appearing in front of the media and this was no exception  

He certainly hasn’t been done any favours by others at the club…

Edited October 7 by demoncat

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1 hour ago, JJJ said:

I agree with you.

But, what if Trac and Clazza came out early and stated their commitment to the club as soon as the rumours started? They didn’t. We looked stupid. 

The length of the two threads is reflective of our management and comms.

Whilst I agree our comms around tracc and claz has been poor, the length of the two threads has very little to do with the clubs comms and management.

The threads might be partly ABOUT  those issues, but their length is predominantly a result of posters allowing themselves to dance to the tune of the media. 

And I don't blame the media in that dynamic. Click bait is demand driven.

What ever happened to just waiting to see how things play out, and as much information as is feasible is in the public domain, before making  assessments, let alone over the top, hair on fire, where there's smoke  henny penny the sky is falling declarations.

I wish people would just chill a bit.

Like I said about the tracc scenario better to deal with agreed facts than rumours, second hand information and the click bait peanuts like Morris want us to swallow and amplify.

And some key agreed facts include:

- mutiple players, including young guns and senior leaders, have extended their contracts in the last few months 

- barring an October surprise, tracc, koz and clarry are playing for the dees in 2025

- unlike several other clubs, only ONE key best 22 player, nibbla, is leaving, and for genuine family reasons at that (unlike say noble leaving the pies, Kennedy wanting out of the blues, the battle drama at the dsaints, pearling leaving gws and Houston leaving port)

- Wade Derkson has nominated us as his preferred destination 

These facts don't mean there aren't issues that need resolution, or there aren't improvements that need to be made.

But amplifying the media's club in crisis narrative, or taking the opportunity to pot (insert favorite scapegoat here) is part of the problem not part of the solution.

And only hurts the club - a club we all love or else we wouldn't spend so much energy discussing it here.

Edited October 7 by binman

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48 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

He's a very awkward media performer.

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1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

That was hard to watch. The Vultures wanted a good feed & TL stood his ground. 7 minutes of basically the same 3 questions 

Nobody wants to join the Demons, but we do have ca$h so deals will be done…

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9 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

He's a very awkward media performer.

Poor guy I thought his head was about to swivel off!