Oliver Trade Rumours

[Supreme_Demon 3,714]

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

It's interesting watching Tim Lamb think before giving his answers. I respect that. You can tell he is being very prudent with what he says.

Dan Houston losing interest in coming to the Demons is definitely a concern though.

We want to be a "destination Club" for star AFL players.

[Jaded No More 68,835]

1 minute ago, Supreme_Demon said:

It's interesting watching Tim Lamb think before giving his answers. I respect that. You can tell he is being very prudent with what he says.

Dan Houston losing interest in coming to the Demons is definitely a concern though.

We want to be a "destination Club" for star AFL players.

You can thank "The Brand" for that. 

[gs77 4,050]

12 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

Particularly the long pause after the question as to whether we were currently an attractive destination club for players seeking a trade. Ouch.

[He de mon 915]

The sacrificial Lamb in every sense. Gotta feel for him having to stump up for that.

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7 minutes ago, He de mon said:

The sacrificial Lamb in every sense. Gotta feel for him having to stump up for that.

Yep. Not his mess, but ultimately his job is the one that suffers the most. 

[Roost it far 8,104]

Personally I thought he played it well. He's not at the club to be a media performer. He answered pretty honestly considering what's been going on. Whether he is the right man for the job should always be up for debate but hanging him for that interview....i don't think so. He didn't "Roffey" it.  Feels to me that Pert's walking away unscathed and considering where we find ourselves that's plain wrong imho. I don't think our President and board are up to the job and I hope the reviews point the spotlight firmly in their direction. As for Pert, I hope we're actively looking for a replacement.

[waynewussell 5,147]

30 minutes ago, mo64 said:

That was cringeworthy. I thought I was listening to Humphrey Appleby from Yes Minister. And why would he even need to say that the List Management team were united? United against whom?

You!

[mo64 5,843]

16 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Whom indeed mo64 what are you inferring, just asking for a friend???

The CEO and the Board. 

This is just my take, but I think that Lamb knows that his position is tenuous. Maybe he's just trying to save face by distancing himself from the Petracca and Oliver debacle, by saying that all List Managment decisions are made by a collective. I think the review will see Lamb and Richardson moved on.

[DeeZone 9,535]

It’s a very tough gig.!!

[demoncat 1,250]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

I’ve been critical of his list management over past few years but I’ve always been impressed with his straight bat when appearing in front of the media and this was no exception  

He certainly hasn’t been done any favours by others at the club…

Edited October 7 by demoncat

[binman 42,467]

1 hour ago, JJJ said:

I agree with you.

But, what if Trac and Clazza came out early and stated their commitment to the club as soon as the rumours started? They didn’t. We looked stupid. 

The length of the two threads is reflective of our management and comms.

Whilst I agree our comms around tracc and claz has been poor, the length of the two threads has very little to do with the clubs comms and management.

The threads might be partly ABOUT  those issues, but their length is predominantly a result of posters allowing themselves to dance to the tune of the media. 

And I don't blame the media in that dynamic. Click bait is demand driven.

What ever happened to just waiting to see how things play out, and as much information as is feasible is in the public domain, before making  assessments, let alone over the top, hair on fire, where there's smoke  henny penny the sky is falling declarations.

I wish people would just chill a bit.

Like I said about the tracc scenario better to deal with agreed facts than rumours, second hand information and the click bait peanuts like Morris want us to swallow and amplify.

And some key agreed facts include:

- mutiple players, including young guns and senior leaders, have extended their contracts in the last few months 

- barring an October surprise, tracc, koz and clarry are playing for the dees in 2025

- unlike several other clubs, only ONE key best 22 player, nibbla, is leaving, and for genuine family reasons at that (unlike say noble leaving the pies, Kennedy wanting out of the blues, the battle drama at the dsaints, pearling leaving gws and Houston leaving port)

- Wade Derkson has nominated us as his preferred destination 

These facts don't mean there aren't issues that need resolution, or there aren't improvements that need to be made.

But amplifying the media's club in crisis narrative, or taking the opportunity to pot (insert favorite scapegoat here) is part of the problem not part of the solution.

And only hurts the club - a club we all love or else we wouldn't spend so much energy discussing it here.

Edited October 7 by binman

[KozzyCan 764]

48 minutes ago, JJJ said:

I think Tim Lamb might have the worst job fronting up to the media. That was hard to watch when he paused on some questions.

He's a very awkward media performer.

[Sir Why You Little 36,892]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

That was hard to watch. The Vultures wanted a good feed & TL stood his ground. 7 minutes of basically the same 3 questions 

Nobody wants to join the Demons, but we do have ca$h so deals will be done…

[sisso 2,577]

9 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

He's a very awkward media performer.

Poor guy I thought his head was about to swivel off!

[Little Goffy 14,398]

5 hours ago, layzie said:

Up the middle, that's where the action is!

Always attack an opponent's strengths, not weaknesses. No-one expects you to attack the strongest part of the fort. Take life by its little bunny ears and get in its face, because that my friend is LIVING! 

 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,589]

There is one ten seconds passage I that interview where he looks like he is having a turn. 

I don't get how Green only says our midfield will have Petracca and Oliver in it next year, not why they had concerns, what was done to alter their situations, or any of the details.

Goodwin comes out with some spiel about enjoying the process as if everything is fine. 

Gawn says he can't say but he is annoyed his opinion gets made public.

Lambie comes out and tries to diplomatically talk for the whole club like he is personally responsible for everything, all while refusing to really explain what Petracca's issues really were or give anh details of why Oliver was discussed with other clubs. 

And then had to basically admit we are not a destination club.

This reminds me of the time I went to a Casey game and the only drinks they had were VB cans at quarter time. 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,589]

I mean the take away narrative from that press conference was 'we were a chance to get Houston but due to our own goals and inability to manage leaks we will concentrate on pick 5'

[Sydee 4,377]

54 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

It's interesting watching Tim Lamb think before giving his answers. I respect that. You can tell he is being very prudent with what he says.

Dan Houston losing interest in coming to the Demons is definitely a concern though.

We want to be a "destination Club" for star AFL players.

I suspect the early dialogue with Houston was when the MFC was travelling better on the field - as we started to falter later in the season it was clear we weren’t a contender in 2024. Events since have further compounded the doubts about or future 

His cooling and refocusing on other options that appear on the surface a safer bet is not that surprising imo 

[DubDee 25,433]

1 minute ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

I mean the take away narrative from that press conference was 'we were a chance to get Houston but due to our own goals and inability to manage leaks we will concentrate on pick 5'

But do a poll on here and ask if you would prefer Houston or pick 5 and >80% would prefer pick 5 I'd guess

So might be a blessing in disguise? 

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Things are really peachy at Port

[DeeZone 9,535]

54 minutes ago, He de mon said:

The sacrificial Lamb in every sense. Gotta feel for him having to stump up for that.

List management it’s a tough gig He de Mon but that’s why they pay him the big bucks, it’s easy bringing in a bunch of happy kids not so when you have a couple of disgruntled stars.

[waynewussell 5,147]

43 minutes ago, binman said:

Whilst I agree our comms around tracc and claz has been poor, the length of the two threads has very little to do with the clubs comms and management.

The threads might be partly ABOUT  those issues, but their length is predominantly a result of posters allowing themselves to dance to the tune of the media. 

And I don't blame the media in that dynamic. Click bait is demand driven.

What ever happened to just waiting to see how things play out, and as much information as is feasible is in the public domain, before making  assessments, let alone over the top, hair on fire, where there's smoke  henny penny the sky is falling declarations.

I wish people would just chill a bit.

Like I said about the tracc scenario better to deal with agreed facts than rumours, second hand information and the click bait peanuts like Morris want us to swallow and amplify.

And some key agreed facts include:

- mutiple players, including young guns and senior leaders, have extended their contracts in the last few months 

- barring an October surprise, tracc, koz and clarry are playing for the dees in 2025

- unlike several other clubs, only ONE key best 22 player, nibbla, is leaving, and for genuine family reasons at that (unlike say noble leaving the pies, Kennedy wanting out of the blues, the battle drama at the dsaints, pearling leaving gws and Houston leaving port)

- Wade Derkson has nominated us as his preferred destination 

These facts don't mean there aren't issues that need resolution, or there aren't improvements that need to be made.

But amplifying the media's club in crisis narrative, or taking the opportunity to pot (insert favorite scapegoat here) is part of the problem not part of the solution.

And only hurts the club - a club we all love or else we wouldn't spend so much energy discussing it here.

This is an excellent summary of where we find ourselves... balanced, insightful and clearly put. Thanks for taking the time, binman!

[DemonOX 8,779]

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Personally I thought he played it well. He's not at the club to be a media performer. He answered pretty honestly considering what's been going on. Whether he is the right man for the job should always be up for debate but hanging him for that interview....i don't think so. He didn't "Roffey" it.  Feels to me that Pert's walking away unscathed and considering where we find ourselves that's plain wrong imho. I don't think our President and board are up to the job and I hope the reviews point the spotlight firmly in their direction. As for Pert, I hope we're actively looking for a replacement.

It was better that Kate Roffeys interview but in all fairness that wouldn’t be hard!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,798]

2 hours ago, gs77 said:

Particularly the long pause after the question as to whether we were currently an attractive destination club for players seeking a trade. Ouch.

Seems like a very easy question to answer, while also having a little crack at the media. “Depends who you listen to. If you listen to the media, who had us losing Trac, Oliver annd Kozzie this trade period, then no. Internally, we know we are. Our track record shows players are willing to come to us and after speaking with Goody and the team, are excited to be joining us”. “Also… EAD Sam McClure” 

Side note: do staff, who are going to speak to the media, do media training? I did a course with a previous employer, that was only a day or two long, that really was worth it. Our post-season interviews have been quite poor so far. 

Edited October 7 by Ethan Tremblay
Easy for me to say sitting at home without a heap of microphones in my face and people staring at me.

[BDA 22,688]

Tim Lamb performed fine in that interview. Tough gig given the Trac and Clarry situations but he dealt with things as well as could be expected in the circumstances.

and i reckon the Dan Houston situation is as much do with the fact we ended up with pick 5 rather than a later pick. Obviously Tim Lamb can't say that in an interview so he had to try to skirt around the question.