1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Langdon says more duck than dinner - next time he fronts up to the scum he is pulverised the first time he takes possession 

Jack Watts high profile debut - the scum rub his private school boy nose in the turf 

Seems like there is a clear difference in approach 

Not to sure ours is working for us atm 

Yep

We wouldn’t have this anger towards Maynard if the AFL had rightly suspended him for 3 weeks and he would have missed out on a premiership medal and potentially Collingwood wouldn’t have even won the flag.

 

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

Sorry mate, but IT IS A WAR, and one which we are losing!!

You obviously haven’t served have you. 
 

Out of respect for those that have, please stop with this absolute rubbish. 

We’re scared of Collingwood: every time we play them they bash us up and we do not respond 

15 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

We wouldn’t have this anger towards Maynard if the AFL had rightly suspended him for 3 weeks and he would have missed out on a premiership medal and potentially Collingwood wouldn’t have even won the flag.

 

This 100%.

11 hours ago, picket fence said:

Sorry mate, but IT IS A WAR, and one which we are losing!!

You need to go the grip store and buy several grips. 

11 hours ago, fr_ap said:

You've clearly never played competitive sports mate. It is about making a stand, showing you won't be [censored] with, and standing up to someone. It either distracts, imparts fear, sparks aggression, or makes them think twice next time, all of which are valuable tools in sport. It's a highly emotional game and the emotional state of players and fans can and often does influence the outcome. 

If you drink the Kool aid from the club that 'picking each other up off the ground ' or 'not making fun of each other's builds connection, then moments like these are 10x more powerful. 

It isn't mutually exclusive either - those saying it wouldnt have helped or they'd rather focus on our shortcomings don't understand that this is one of them. 

It's beyond obvious the spirit of this group has been broken and they're going through the motions ignoring a coach preaching the only lessons he's ever given. 

I was disgusted, embarrassed and downright sad that no one at least stood up for Gus or the fans. 

Let's hope Maynard never gets another premiership medal - I take solace in the fact that this Coll group have the same number as us - 1.

And I know which one was more convincing. 

It wouldn't have been that hard to lay some heavy tackles on Maynard.

We need to go back to basics and play hard contested footy. 

This bruise free football doesn't fly in the face of clubs like Cwood who are willing to put their body on the lines.

Ironically it was Maynard doing the bumping and hard tackles.

If this was our fightback response, I'd hate to see anything else.

It's one thing on the day it happened not to remonstrate but the next game he not only gets off scott free, his hand is shaken.

Not only did we get well beaten and display a litany of poor skills, poor execution, lazy and undisciplined football, we also revealed how soft we are.

Surely we could have been much more aggressive and harder at the contests.

We had ten players with 1 or zero tackles for the entire game. This in a game we went out of our way in the media to let everyone know that a response would be made. 

Enough with the big talking please. We didn't respond at all. We were well and truly beaten. Beaten in one of the most the most basic elements of the game.....tackling.

When a player is down in form or skills, tackling is one area of the game they can use to show or do that they are making an effort.

If they are late to the contest, one can at least lay tackles. If your struggling for a possession, you can always run, chase and tackle an opponent.

It's the basic footy block to will oneself into having some sort of impact in a game.

But to have a statistic like the ten players with one or zero tackles, shows that many players weren't trying to impact the game as best they could.

Tackles create pressure. They make the recipients of them rush their disposal. They cause skill errors and if done properly and often enough, make players nervous.

They can hurt too. They should. Not in a malicious way but enough to make a player not want to be tackled again.

We claimed we would respond to the huge Freo loss. We didn't. As far as I'm concerned we failed in the most basic endeavor. We lost the tackle count.  A part of the game that is entirely in our control.

Some of our tackles were very good but many of them were well beaten. So it's one thing to lose the tackle count but I feel we also lost the "tackle effectiveness" count as well.

To talk the team up all week about responding to our Freo last loss is all well and good. But to then come out and display a big lack of physicality like we did is a big concern.

Perhaps the directive was to not get distracted by the Maynard event and play the ball and not the man. There's some reason to this.

The problem is, I thought we were really soft against Freo. I don't think we tackled well. We may have tackled more but I don't think they created enough pressure on Freo players. Tackles were often broken.

So I really felt the best response would be to come out against Cwood being much harder in the contest. And the most fundamental thing of all ...to lay harder tackles that would not get broken.To rush them at every opportunity and force skill errors.

 In short I was hopen for more aggression everywhere. Not blind wonton biffo. But hard hitting legal bumps and tackles that create fear and panic. Relentless tackling at every turn.

Turned out it was the pies applying the pressure and us turning the ball over.

Maynard would have been a good place to start. I mean surely we had the motivation to. Some hard tackles on him and then on all his mates as well. To show that we are a team that cares if a mate had his vocation taken from him.

Rather than be distracted by the whole Maynard thing it could have been a thing to galvanize, inspire and propel.

Just like an individual down in form, tackling is a great part of a team's game plan when it's down in form . It's the basic element of a team's weaponry that it can employ to lift it's performance. We may not have won with some more tackling pressure but we could at least say we gave it our all.

There are some losses you can accept quite readily. The ones where players look gassed and spent. I'm pretty sure with what we saw yesterday with the stat of ten with one or zero, we can say quite confidently, we didn't give it our all.

So enough with the talking and more of the tackling. Ok we don't have Maynard in the mix next game but we certainly have mediocrity. 

Can we please show some real fightback and start with the basics of chasing and tackling.

Just more of them. Less easy to break ones. Let the opposition be the ones afraid and error prone. Let us be the hunters and not the hunted this time.

 

 

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

Sorry mate, but IT IS A WAR, and one which we are losing!!

Damn rediculous statement.

12 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

...Goodwin has not helped with his inability / unwillingness to drop his favs and give Casey up and comers a fair shot at it.  And no, subbing them in and out again then back to Casey the next week is not a fair go. ......
 

To some extent, I agree with you, but my concern is that I can not really see much at Casey, to suggest some are 'knocking down the door' for a chance at senior level.  Casey's results so far this year, is testimony to that.

To me and while our drafting opportunities have been limited, due to recent ladder position, our trading has been woeful and as a result, our list depth is very worrying.

13 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Damn rediculous statement.

Oh sorry, its just a petty game then that means nothing, ok!

16 hours ago, kozzyisalegend said:

They're too soft

Totally agree. They were the toughest side for one season and then went back to being the nice guys. 

7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Oh sorry, its just a petty game then that means nothing, ok!

You have absolutely lost the plot mate. Go have a lie down and stop posting for a day. 

Seriously did we think i blokes would raise the flag? Not a chance in hell.

Pack of soft, bruise free footy specialists

We are the laughing stock

15 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Oh sorry, it’s just a petty game then that means nothing, ok!

How did you get from AFL being nothing like a war, where everyday is life and death, versus the game means nothing? 
 

My dad served in the military for 20 years. He’s a mad passionate football fan and he would tell you categorically that football and war are nothing alike.

39 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

How did you get from AFL being nothing like a war, where everyday is life and death, versus the game means nothing? 
 

My dad served in the military for 20 years. He’s a mad passionate football fan and he would tell you categorically that football and war are nothing alike.

Gee you guys just don't get it, Yes NOTHING like a real war, but a war waged on a footy field, war like footy conditions, tough, brutal, if ya dont get what I'm trying to say then forget it. 

I hate to say this..........BUT it is not a war .

In a war, people die and I do not think sport should be like that !!!

In a sport, people defeat (or try to) the opponent. I feel some people have confused the issues.

8 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

We wouldn’t have this anger towards Maynard if the AFL had rightly suspended him for 3 weeks and he would have missed out on a premiership medal and potentially Collingwood wouldn’t have even won the flag.

 

The more i think about it the more i wonder if the Petracca Maynard warm handshake was sought out by the AFL. The AFL are culpable in this and that was a massive win for them. It was obvious the entire football world was going to be watching Maynard before the first bounce. Stage managed?

8 hours ago, sisso said:

We’re scared of Collingwood: every time we play them they bash us up and we do not respond 

Psychologically we are. 

They're a big club with a huge supporter base that can overwhelm any team going around. Look at the way they drowned the boos out everytime Maynard touched the footy. 

We don't have the mongrel or killer instinct in our team. We're a mentally soft football club on field and have been for a number of year. When you have guys like May and Oliver who are happy to smile and shake hands with the opposition then it just resonates the soft underbelly tag we've carried for so long.

 

wrong thread

Edited June 11, 20241 yr by John Demonic

Letting Collingwood do what they wanted with Langdon after the "Duck/Dinner" hype of the previous week was a disgrace.
Also saw Weitering standing over Pickett last year trying to intimidate him with his size after they exchanged a few words.
The only fella who turned up to support Pickett was Spargo who grabbed Pickett and steered him away.
Players have gotta know their teammates aren't gonna let them to get publicly mugged by their opponents.
Viney will always fly the flag but though tough he's also small.
And when he does, usually against a larger opponent .... He gets no back up.
Not good enough as a team.

Edited June 11, 20241 yr by Fork 'em

1 hour ago, Wrecker46 said:

The more i think about it the more i wonder if the Petracca Maynard warm handshake was sought out by the AFL. The AFL are culpable in this and that was a massive win for them. It was obvious the entire football world was going to be watching Maynard before the first bounce. Stage managed?

There is talk about Maynard having some ongoing personal off field issues. I wasn't aware of them but Fly mentioned it after the game. 

I would be pretty sure guys like Trac are probably well across this news so maybe not staged at all.

10 hours ago, picket fence said:

Oh sorry, its just a petty game then that means nothing, ok!

Nah that was Round 8 against Geelong. Hasn't been sighted since!

Edited June 11, 20241 yr by John Demonic

Was a tough week for bruzzy apparently. 

How this bloke is the victim makes me sick 

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-craig-mcrae-postmatch-press-conference-brayden-maynard-issues-in-personal-life-nathan-kreuger-collingwood-magpies-defeat-melbourne-demons-big-freeze-at-the-g-10-on-kings-birthday-comments-latest-news/news-story/341c52c87324cf9429a42ed0f70e4b9a

Just now, Bates Mate said:

Was a tough week for bruzzy apparently. 

How this bloke is the victim makes me sick 

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-craig-mcrae-postmatch-press-conference-brayden-maynard-issues-in-personal-life-nathan-kreuger-collingwood-magpies-defeat-melbourne-demons-big-freeze-at-the-g-10-on-kings-birthday-comments-latest-news/news-story/341c52c87324cf9429a42ed0f70e4b9a

Is he out of contract this year?

MFC should throw big money at him 

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Psychologically we are. 

They're a big club with a huge supporter base that can overwhelm any team going around. Look at the way they drowned the boos out everytime Maynard touched the footy. 

We don't have the mongrel or killer instinct in our team. We're a mentally soft football club on field and have been for a number of year. When you have guys like May and Oliver who are happy to smile and shake hands with the opposition then it just resonates the soft underbelly tag we've carried for so long.

 

I don't know about Oliver but May plays the game hard and perhaps realises it's a sporting contest that finishes with the siren