Angus Brayshaw Forced into Retirement

[sue 9,102]

26 minutes ago, old55 said:

KB is a Collingwood home game.  I can't go but my daughter tried to by tickets on the day they were released and very few were available - the only options were $90 each.  There'll be 80,000 Collingwood fans there - good luck booing Maynard.

I hope our players know that and won't be disheartened by lack of supporters.

[Neil Crompton 5,535]

1 hour ago, old55 said:

KB is a Collingwood home game.  I can't go but my daughter tried to by tickets on the day they were released and very few were available - the only options were $90 each.  There'll be 80,000 Collingwood fans there - good luck booing Maynard.

These pies fans must go to a different Centrelink than most people if they can afford $90 tickets. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

On 13/03/2024 at 17:30, The Jackson FIX said:

Re. Brayshaw’s payout;

”Fellow AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson called for the funds to be taken from inside Melbourne’s salary cap.”

And then he goes on to qualify that with;

“My gut feel is if you sign someone to a long-term deal – I don’t want to be flippant about this but unless someone passes or literally can’t play football beyond circumstances it should go in the cap.”

ummm is being forced to medically retire pretty much exactly “can’t play football beyond circumstances”?

 

the Slobinator really Knows how to push my buttons.

 

 

F&@$ I would love to get Robinson in a Room alone for 10 minutes. He is a pathetic little joke. 
These sort of comments really make me Red Hot Angry. 
Angus was forced to retire through an act of thuggery. He was wide open as he had just completed a kick…

 

[Demonland 72,176]

 

[The Jackson FIX 3,103]

14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

F&@$ I would love to get Robinson in a Room alone for 10 minutes.

He’d stink the room out pretty quickly 

[Demon17 5,188]

On 14/03/2024 at 14:03, Gawndy the Great said:

Right now it’s unclear if AFL has forced Brayshaws retirement or whether it was taken voluntarily. We may not ever know for legal reasons.

i was just covering both angles from a salary cap perspective and nothing more.
 

Good point well made. Just thinking ahead for any legal defences from afl

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

15 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Sydney got SC relief when Paddy McCartin retired due to concussion, his payout was outside their SC. The precedent has been set

[MrFreeze 1,965]

17 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

3 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

Sydney got SC relief when Paddy McCartin retired due to concussion, his payout was outside their SC. The precedent has been set

If that’s true why is everyone saying this is unprecedented?

[Deecisive 1,709]

On 13/03/2024 at 21:30, The Jackson FIX said:

Re. Brayshaw’s payout;

”Fellow AFL 360 co-host Mark Robinson called for the funds to be taken from inside Melbourne’s salary cap.”

And then he goes on to qualify that with;

“My gut feel is if you sign someone to a long-term deal – I don’t want to be flippant about this but unless someone passes or literally can’t play football beyond circumstances it should go in the cap.”

ummm is being forced to medically retire pretty much exactly “can’t play football beyond circumstances”?

 

the Slobinator really Knows how to push my buttons.

 

 

I think he is onto to something here, take the funds out of the clubs salary cap, but of the club that forced him into retirement and potentially long term injury. Now if that is not an incentive for clubs to behave better then nothing is.

[Demonland 72,176]

 

[Demonland 72,176]

 

[rpfc 28,395]

19 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

If that’s true why is everyone saying this is unprecedented?

Because language is dead and every time I try to correct anyone I am called a pedant. 

The words they are trying to say is that the length of contract makes this a potentially difficult long term issue for our cap if we don’t get settlement outside our cap.

One year for McCartin is a balm, a salve, for a club trying to help a damaged person. 5 years of full relief is the Demons trying to undo a ‘disastrous’ list management decision. 

Everyone loves charity until it’s so large that they internalise it; ‘we will never get that charity so no one deserves it.’

[Jaded No More 68,912]

53 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Because language is dead and every time I try to correct anyone I am called a pedant. 

The words they are trying to say is that the length of contract makes this a potentially difficult long term issue for our cap if we don’t get settlement outside our cap.

One year for McCartin is a balm, a salve, for a club trying to help a damaged person. 5 years of full relief is the Demons trying to undo a ‘disastrous’ list management decision. 

Everyone loves charity until it’s so large that they internalise it; ‘we will never get that charity so no one deserves it.’

It’s a joke because as we know Freo were coming hard at Gus with a long term deal as well. Most quality players in demand these days get long term deals. And none of them are immune from concussion. At any point any player on a long term deal could get knocked out by Maynard and be forced to medically retire. 

A club should not be scared to sign quality players to long term deals because the AFL is senseless enough to force them to pay the deal out under their cap, should a player be forced to medically retire. 
 

I wonder what would happen if heaven forbid a player on a long term deal was in a fatal or very serious car accident and could no longer play.

 

[rpfc 28,395]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It’s a joke because as we know Freo were coming hard at Gus with a long term deal as well. Most quality players in demand these days get long term deals. And none of them are immune from concussion. At any point any player on a long term deal could get knocked out by Maynard and be forced to medically retire. 

A club should not be scared to sign quality players to long term deals because the AFL is senseless enough to force them to pay the deal out under their cap, should a player be forced to medically retire. 
 

I wonder what would happen if heaven forbid a player on a long term deal was in a fatal or very serious car accident and could no longer play.

 

Yes, and also, if you have concussion a certain amount of times - are clubs then expected to request CT scans before contracts are ratified? A biopsy of the blood-brain barrier? And then do they get 50% of the contract due to the increased risk?

Knees can be tested and gambled on - heads are a couple of Brayden Maynard ‘smothers’ away from retirement…

 

 

[rjay 24,919]

On 14/03/2024 at 09:24, John Demonic said:

If it was Daicos taken out and medically retired, how is McGuire arguing about whether it comes out of the cap or not, today?

Collingwood are probably not far off a similar issue with Murphy at the moment.

I think they would be arguing for cap relief...

[jayceebee31 761]

Gus , your a gem..you will become the glue between players and coaches…you’ll be able to continue Gus & Gawny.Thanks for all, you’ll become a media star…

[Lord Travis 10,729]

On 15/03/2024 at 17:52, Sir Why You Little said:

F&@$ I would love to get Robinson in a Room alone for 10 minutes. He is a pathetic little joke. 

Nothing little about him. He is a big fat sweaty pink mess of a man. His opinion is worth as much as the next uneducated drunk at the local pub.

Glad Gus has a role at the club in the short term. His leadership and footy brain will be a big help to the players.

[Traja Dee 108]

Hey Demon Army, I’m loving the blue helmets. 
 

Well played!!

[Sir Why You Little 37,034]

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Nothing little about him. He is a big fat sweaty pink mess of a man. His opinion is worth as much as the next uneducated drunk at the local pub.

Glad Gus has a role at the club in the short term. His leadership and footy brain will be a big help to the players.

His Brain 🧠 is very small

[Dr. Gonzo 24,210]

So are we likely to get an answer on the salary cap situation any time soon so we can start our list management strategies and potential targets to chase for next offseason? Or will the AFL keep us guessing til the last minute and pull a decision out of their [censored] which is their usual MO?

[layzie 33,796]

If it ended up coming out of our salary cap then this class action against the AFL makes a lot of sense. 

For protecting the head the AFL says 'meh'

[whenIm64 0]

I think Gus would ultimately make a great mid-field coach to replace Adam Yze. Should this be pursued by the powers-that-be in terms of encouragement, training courses etc

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

2 minutes ago, whenIm64 said:

I think Gus would ultimately make a great mid-field coach to replace Adam Yze. Should this be pursued by the powers-that-be in terms of encouragement, training courses etc

I don't ever recall him mentioning he had ambitions to coach. I know i used to see him a lot around my building working for co-tenant in the financial industry and he does have media appeal too... 'World is his oyster'  is not lost on him i suppose. 

[In Harmes Way 7,769]

On 17/03/2024 at 10:56, rpfc said:

Yes, and also, if you have concussion a certain amount of times - are clubs then expected to request CT scans before contracts are ratified? A biopsy of the blood-brain barrier? And then do they get 50% of the contract due to the increased risk?

Knees can be tested and gambled on - heads are a couple of Brayden Maynard ‘smothers’ away from retirement…

 

 

This is exactly the point that Robbo is missing in comparing a bung knee to concussion. Gus's decision was effectively made for him by medical experts, and we don't want either the AFL or the footy club concerned to attempt to exert influence on any such decision, given the invisible nature of the injury, based on commercial factors like carrying the impending retirement within a salary cap.