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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I would love to know the background to WC attempts to get the Curtin pick from GWS.

Also I wonder if getting Curtin may temper Crows efforts to get Petty.

They now have Thilthorpe, Fogarty, Tex and Himmelberg with a few talls up back as well.

Re: Curtain

North Melbourne offered up two picks in the teens, Essendon was willing to part with its future first-rounder or picks 9 and 31, Hawthorn was willing to trade its future first and West Coast had its coveted 2024 first dangling. But Adelaide's offer of picks 10, 14 and a future second-rounder trumped the lot.

Tex is turning 34 in 2024 - so assume they'll be knocking on the door again.

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1 hour ago, poita said:

So glad we are traded away a heap of draft capital to get mid-size forward number 20 for our list. Kolton might become a great player, but positionally it is the absolute lowest priority that we needed to address.

I find it extraordinary that we haven't used a top 20 pick on a midfielder for 8 years now. Even more so given the issues around Brayshaw, Oliver and Viney.

What's the plan if we lose a couple of midfielders for prolonged periods next year? Are we going to get Spargo to sit on Laurie's shoulders and see if they can reach Bontempelli's shoulders?

 

name the other mid size forwards on our list that can also play mid. I'll start, Petracca, you go with the remainder 18......

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Cats got 31 for nothing, swapping picks with Bombers, knowing they wanted Caddy, when Cats obviously wanted O’Sulliivan.

Poor intel and card playing by Dodoro, who will no doubt gloat he got his player and won’t mention wasting 31.

Essendon didn't trump Geelong for Caddy it was other clubs that had offers to Geelong. Essendon's was the best offer.

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Obviously still some talent left. Probably about 30 picks and then about 18-20 rookie picks with clubs squeezed on list spots.  Players still available are:

Ollie Murphy

Arie Schoenmaker 

Clay Hall

Archer Reid 

Mitchell Edwards

Archie Roberts 

George Stevens 

Logan Morris 

 Luamon Luai

Joel Freijah

 Tew Jiath

Angus Hastie

Koen Sanchez

Billy Wilson

Zane Zakostelsky 

Cooper Simpson

all should get drafted tonight  

 

then some players on the cusp who may or may not get picked 

Nathan Philactides

Harvey Johnston

 Aiden O’Driscoll

Jack Delean

Will Brown

Kade De La Rue 

Ry Cantwell 

 Tarkyn O’Leary 

Harvey Thomas. academy GWS

Luke Lloyd

Kane McAuliffe


 

be interesting to see if Shaun Mannagh or Sam Clohesy from Werribee VFL get drafted after excellent years and deserve a promotion up to an AFL list 

 

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@poita here are our picks for the last 8 year, those are the years you say we haven't picked a genuine mid in the top 20, and I agree, we haven't.  I've also gone through and looked at which mids were available at our picks who you could suggest would have been better pics than who we took.  I may have missed some but apart from last year, and it's far too early to tell if we missed someone good, I can't see anything to criticize unless you want to argue Serong over Jackson.  

Did you do your research before you made your comment?  If so, who would you rather us take?

 

2016 Hannan, Johnson D (no top 20 picks)

2017 Spargo, Fritsch, Petty (no top 20 picks)

2018  Sparrow, Jordon (no top 20 picks)

2019 Jackson, Picket, Rivers (2 top 20 picks)

2020 Bowey, Laurie, Rosman (no top 20 picks)

2021 JvR, Howes, Woey (1 top 20 picks)

2022 Jefferson, Adams (one top 20 pick)

2023 Windsor, Tholstrup (2 top 20 picks)

MIdfield options. 

2019 Serong ahead of Jackson?

2020: None

2021: Soligo ahead of JvR?

2022: Ed Allan, Breydon George, Olli Hotton ahead of Jefferson?

2023: of those available who you you have taken ahead of the two we took @poita

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Looking at last night, the boys taken by all clubs looked physically ready to play AFL, big shoulders, physically developed young men.

What an advantage the Northern Academies have, you can bring unlimited 12 to 15 year olds in give them elite training and get priority access to them.

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1 hour ago, BangBnagBang said:

 

name the other mid size forwards on our list that can also play mid. I'll start, Petracca, you go with the remainder 18......

Essendon didn't trump Geelong for Caddy it was other clubs that had offers to Geelong. Essendon's was the best offer.

Read my post again, you have got it completely wrong.

I didn’t say Bombers trumped Cats for Caddy, I said Cats bluffed Bombers into giving them pick 31, for the player they weren’t taking anyway, with the pick before the Bombers.

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5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Read my post again, you have got it completely wrong.

I didn’t say Bombers trumped Cats for Caddy, I said Cats bluffed Bombers into giving them pick 31, for the player they weren’t taking anyway, with the pick before the Bombers.

If Essendon didnt give pick 31 another club would have done a deal with the cats. Ess had to give that pick or another club would have done a similar the deal with Gee.  Gee had something they didnt want and took offers for the pick and sold it to Ess. Ess wasnt the only club buying.  there was no bluff

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1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said:

@poita here are our picks for the last 8 year, those are the years you say we haven't picked a genuine mid in the top 20, and I agree, we haven't.  I've also gone through and looked at which mids were available at our picks who you could suggest would have been better pics than who we took.  I may have missed some but apart from last year, and it's far too early to tell if we missed someone good, I can't see anything to criticize unless you want to argue Serong over Jackson.  

Did you do your research before you made your comment?  If so, who would you rather us take?

 

2016 Hannan, Johnson D (no top 20 picks)

2017 Spargo, Fritsch, Petty (no top 20 picks)

2018  Sparrow, Jordon (no top 20 picks)

 

Is Sparrow not a genuine mid? 

 

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Any chance we trade in a future pick to grab a tall?

The Gawn, Verral, Fullarton set-up is... not deep.

Mitch Edwards still available as a ruck who can clunk a mark, and Archer Reid as a 203cm forward who can help ruck.

And what, exactly, is our count of available list spots?

My impression is that assuming Hore and Brown basically means we have just one spot left, and that if Brown is bid on in the main draft then that last spot has to be a rookie listing?

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7 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Any chance we trade in a future pick to grab a tall?

The Gawn, Verral, Fullarton set-up is... not deep.

Mitch Edwards still available as a ruck who can clunk a mark, and Archer Reid as a 203cm forward who can help ruck.

And what, exactly, is our count of available list spots?

My impression is that assuming Hore and Brown basically means we have just one spot left, and that if Brown is bid on then that spot has to be a rookie listing?

Really like the way Edwards moves, but aside from Kynan Brown we ain't doing anything else.

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1 hour ago, BangBnagBang said:

If Essendon didnt give pick 31 another club would have done a deal with the cats. Ess had to give that pick or another club would have done a similar the deal with Gee.  Gee had something they didnt want and took offers for the pick and sold it to Ess. Ess wasnt the only club buying.  there was no bluff

Fair enough, there might or might not have been a bluff, but Cats needed their pick, or the next one, if Bombers took Caddy, to ensure they got O'Sullivan.

Therefore I don't think Cats were ever trading for any later pick.

It was the next pick or nothing, knowing Bombers wanted Caddy.

That is where the bluff came in imo.

Anyway, I think we both agree that the Cats picked up 31 as a bonus, for still getting the player they obviously wanted, O'Sullivan. 

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Yes I’d like another extra list spot but feel like it’s fully loaded.  Only young Brown and Hore likely to be added.  
We are carrying Tmcd and BBB more due to contracts held than likely impact at this time. Hope I’m proven wrong.  Look at Petty and JVR as starting key forwards in 2024.  TMCD and BBB are in with Schache & Fullerton,  as plan B key forwards (Jefferson still under development in 2024). 
 

 

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3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Read my post again, you have got it completely wrong.

I didn’t say Bombers trumped Cats for Caddy, I said Cats bluffed Bombers into giving them pick 31, for the player they weren’t taking anyway, with the pick before the Bombers.

It may have been that someone else was also offering a deal to Geelong to pick Caddy and Essendon needed to trump that.

As "Bnag" said ...

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59 minutes ago, old55 said:

It may have been that someone else was also offering a deal to Geelong to pick Caddy and Essendon needed to trump that.

As "Bnag" said ...

It was. West Coast had their future first on the table. 

Geelong chose 11 and 31 over the Eagles first (and other swaps surely)

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5 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Not going to check if its been answered somewhere in the thread.

How was Gold Coast able to match their academy players inside the top 20 and we could not?

They get the "GC need to win a flag soon" AFL exemption from the rule.

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53 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Not going to check if its been answered somewhere in the thread.

How was Gold Coast able to match their academy players inside the top 20 and we could not?

Northern academy rules are different to NGA rules.

It’s rubbish, but the NGA is a joke, the occasional light training run and that’s about it. Northern academies do actually develop players (not that they should result in so many draft benefits).

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13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Northern academy rules are different to NGA rules.

It’s rubbish, but the NGA is a joke, the occasional light training run and that’s about it. Northern academies do actually develop players (not that they should result in so many draft benefits).

Gold Coast and GWS don't have access to Father/Son picks like every other club. Given the number of players that these clubs seem to lose due to the "go home" factor, I have no issue with the academy picks.

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13 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Gold Coast and GWS don't have access to Father/Son picks like every other club. Given the number of players that these clubs seem to lose due to the "go home" factor, I have no issue with the academy picks.

GC and GWS have access to all sons of fathers north of the border. 😳

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