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On 9/26/2023 at 9:17 AM, Binmans PA said:

Only thing is Bassett was responsible for the backs and forwards at various times at Port. Both ends of the ground have been hugely flakey over his tenure. I know we were previously interested, but I'd say it's unlikely now given his track record at Port.

Going to have to pull you up a little bit here Adam, although will concede Port have been erratic over the journey. By the second year of each of his stints coaching down back and up front, Basset’s division had established itself as a top two AFL performer on points conceded or scored; Port conceding the second lowest total in 2017 (and the third lowest in 2018 despite the club finishing 10th overall), and becoming the heaviest scoring team in 2020.

While we know that personnel, injuries and the defensive/offensive balance of the head coach’s game-plan can impact such figures, the Power in the respective years prior to Basset taking on each of those challenges sat as the 10th worst defensive team in 2015 and the league’s 12th lowest-scoring team in 2018. So he has effectively twice during his career achieved jumps of eight to twelve ranking spots within two years of taking over, at both ends of the ground.

Why those form-lines later dipped is anyone’s guess (although on the defensive side it could have had something to do with the departure of Darren Burgess), but the stats alone suggest Basset does have some innovative nous. I also have no idea about their personal relationship, but Goodwin and Basset have pretty compelling connections (and Goody apparently helped lure Nathan to Essendon under Neil Craig). He also seems like a straight-up good guy. 

 

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    On 9/24/2023 at 9:18 PM, Demon Disciple said:

    Assistant coaches were Meesen and Jordie McKenzie too

     

    On 9/25/2023 at 1:39 AM, JimmyGadson said:

    A strong no thanks. 

    Serious question Jimmy, why not?

    I have zero idea about Jordie’s coaching ability, but it was widely believed that he was the hardest worker in training  - not the most skilled player but never say die type who I wouldn’t dismiss out of hand.  
    Surely being a great player doesn’t necessarily make you e great coach, (Hird, Buckley, Voss #1) and vice versa. Jordie could inspire by his work ethic but who actually knows? 

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    3 minutes ago, monoccular said:

     

    Serious question Jimmy, why not?

    I have zero idea about Jordie’s coaching ability, but it was widely believed that he was the hardest worker in training  - not the most skilled player but never say die type who I wouldn’t dismiss out of hand.  
    Surely being a great player doesn’t necessarily make you e great coach, (Hird, Buckley, Voss #1) and vice versa. Jordie could inspire by his work ethic but who actually knows? 

    I think it is pretty clear that the best coaches were not naturally gifted players, but were players who had to work hard to improve and know what it takes - eg Sheedy, Hardwick, Mark Thompson, Clarkson, Northey etc etc

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    On 9/27/2023 at 6:24 PM, Lord Travis said:

    Blakey has a good reputation and did great work as an assistant at the Swans for years. Could be a good option.

    Yeh because it’s an industry full of such trustworthy people 🤦‍♂️

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    17 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Surely the club could have named someone by now. They would have known ooze would depart when hardware resigned.

    unless it’s someone from the GF teams. 

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    48 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    Surely the club could have named someone by now. They would have known ooze would depart when hardware resigned.

    yes, because the club is beholden to your timeline

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    2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

    I think it is pretty clear that the best coaches were not naturally gifted players, but were players who had to work hard to improve and know what it takes - eg Sheedy, Hardwick, Mark Thompson, Clarkson, Northey etc etc

    Um, Thompson and Northey 'not naturally gifted players? Not sure about that. But I'm only nit-picking in a banterish way. Just call me The Little Red Rooster - oh, that's right them's Bantams...

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    It seems like Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs are super keen on Stuart Dew.

    As can be seen in this article: https://www.afl.com.au/aflw/video/1043405/a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-the-dogs-new-look-fortress?videoId=1043405&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1695931200001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes

    As for who is joining the Demons coaching panel to replace Adem Yze?  It definitely looks like Andrew McQualter is moving on to another AFL Club. St. Kilda were interested, according to Ross Lyon, but they said that they cannot afford him under their coaching soft cap.

    At least that's what it says in this particular article: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-ross-lyon-andrew-mcqualter-coaching-position-where-will-he-go-missing-richmond-tigers-job-to-adem-yze-latest/news-story/5a1b39001ef76d8eccd755980545404d

     

     

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    2 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

    unless it’s someone from the GF teams. 

    Can we speculate please, I have no idea. But not talking about them until 6pm tomorrow is probably the right thing to do

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    6 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

    I think it is pretty clear that the best coaches were not naturally gifted players, but were players who had to work hard to improve and know what it takes - eg Sheedy, Hardwick, Mark Thompson, Clarkson, Northey etc etc

    Barassi....

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    4 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

    yes, because the club is beholden to your timeline

    They had a head start on other clubs... really need a quality coach that can feed new ideas into Goodwin's head.

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    16 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

    They had a head start on other clubs... really need a quality coach that can feed new ideas into Goodwin's head.

    At issue is that we are in effect possibly in need of another head coach (type)

    Yze sitting in the stands with Goodwin on the bench points to an assistant like Yze would be making a lot of moves (or not) Maybe a lot of those moves are pre-planned but nonetheless, the type of assistant we might require isn't your normal run of the mill assistant

    Or, we might revert to Goodwin back up in the stands if we go down another path (a new, midfield coach being just that, a midfield coach only)

    It's all a bit vague though as we don't know how much responsibility Yze actually had

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    3 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

    As for who is joining the Demons coaching panel to replace Adem Yze?  It definitely looks like Andrew McQualter is moving on to another AFL Club. St. Kilda were interested, according to Ross Lyon, but they said that they cannot afford him under their coaching soft cap.

    I'd be surprised if st kilda can afford a year 10 work experience kid in the soft cap with Ross' likely wage 😅

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    25 minutes ago, Macca said:

    At issue is that we are in effect possibly in need of another head coach (type)

    Yze sitting in the stands with Goodwin on the bench points to an assistant like Yze would be making a lot of moves (or not) Maybe a lot of those moves are pre-planned but nonetheless, the type of assistant we might require isn't your normal run of the mill assistant

    Or, we might revert to Goodwin back up in the stands if we go down another path (a new, midfield coach being just that, a midfield coach only)

    It's all a bit vague though as we don't know how much responsibility Yze actually had

    This seems like it’s made for McQualter, very influential at Tiges over their successful years, was interim head coach this year and went close to landing the role permanently.

    He’s clearly well above a regular assistant

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    1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Barassi....

    Barassi and Blight are certainly exceptions. Voss might become one, although he has been given an extraordinary list to work with. Northey isn't; if you look back at what is said about him it is that he was a tremendous tackler.

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    1 minute ago, BW511 said:

    This seems like it’s made for McQualter, very influential at Tiges over their successful years, was interim head coach this year and went close to landing the role permanently.

    He’s clearly well above a regular assistant

    Yes but the Tigers passed on him as their future head coach so he might have his limitations

    And there are quite a few head coaches that are on the boundary now so we may be looking at all the chief assistants that are upstairs

    So how many head coaches are boundary-side now? 

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    18 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

    Barassi and Blight are certainly exceptions. Voss might become one, although he has been given an extraordinary list to work with. Northey isn't; if you look back at what is said about him it is that he was a tremendous tackler.

    'A Derrinallum recruit, the lightly framed Northey was a fleetfooted runner and earned the "swooper" nickname by his ability to get the ball and pass it on to a teammate. He played 118 games and kicked 192 goals for Richmond from 1963 until 1970. He also was a member of Richmond's 1967 and 1969 premiership teams.'

    Not a bad track record as a player...I watched him play a few times: he always looked dangerous...in a 'Footy Act' kind of way, i.e.skills etc

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    There are some things the AFL are doing currently that are travesties. Chief among them is the shredded soft cap. There is absolutely no reason not to have reinstated it to pre Covid levels. Coaches have to be the hardest working people in the AFL with massive workloads at the best of times. To not have reinstated the soft cap levels is an absolute shocker.  We should be in a position to appoint a midfield coach as well as an Yze overall senior assistant role and more. 

    Yze was one of the highest paid assistants in the industry so $$ shouldn't be an issue in going after whoever we want for his replacement but it still leaves a skeleton coaching dept compared to pre covid. 

     

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    31 minutes ago, Macca said:

    Yes but the Tigers passed on him as their future head coach so he might have his limitations

    Not necessarily, the "bring in some fresh ideas" argument seems to have been one of the deciding factors.

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    31 minutes ago, bing181 said:

    The "bring in some fresh ideas" argument seems to have been one of the deciding factors.

    More to the point is that there is more than one senior assistant type that we could look at ... or perhaps we will look at someone who is just an assistant that might be able to step up into the Yze role.  Could it be someone from within like Chaplin?

    But again, how much influence and responsibility do these senior assistants have elsewhere?  (the ones where the head coach is boundary-side)

    Our club itself may well know but what do we know? 

    The appointment may well be an extremely important one as he'll be very likely the right-hand man to Goodwin (unless we go down a different path with Goodwin upstairs again) 

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    1 hour ago, Its Time for Another said:

    Yze was one of the highest paid assistants in the industry...

    Hang on. Do you know this for a fact? 

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