1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

That’s because the player is usually playing for their next contract, and it’s often a big one. There is motivation.

In BBrown and TMacs case, neither will be getting another contract at their age with their injury history.

Browns knee is stuffed. He’s been managing it for years, but it’s at the point where it doesn’t seem it can be managed effectively anymore.  TMac has played 1 full season in the last 6 years, and even that was off limited preseason due to injury. His foot’s stuffed. We’d be negligent to offer either a new contract. We need to find other tall forward options in a hurry.

Im not arguing with anything you're saying.

The art of coaching is getting the most out of the players, Im not making any predicitons, I'm simply saying hopefully we can get lucky and get somehting out of one of these two next year.

I am not going to make assumptions on their personal positions.

12 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

Yeh depends on how you want to look at it.

Im going with glass half full, you seem to be more of a pessimist?

Tmacs body has been breaking down since he hurt his back midway 2021. He's had several issues with his ankle and a number of surgeries on it. It's plain and clear that this is now affecting him as he can barely turn or break out into a gallop. It was embarrassing watching him in both finals.

Brown knees are just simply cooked. There's no further explanation needed.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Tmacs body has been breaking down since he hurt his back midway 2021. He's had several issues with his ankle and a number of surgeries on it. It's plain and clear that this is now affecting him as he can barely turn or break out into a gallop. It was embarrassing watching him in both finals.

Brown knees are just simply cooked. There's no further explanation needed.

Thanks for the injury update. I agree with the fact they are old and injured so we are unlikely to get much out of them, but i am not going to cry about it and shoot anyone down who disagrees with me.

They have an offseason to get their bodies right and find some form. I'd take anything over nothing.

Edited September 24, 20231 yr by Cheap Seats

12 hours ago, MoeSyzlak said:

100% an opinion can be wrong. 
 

I work with a peanut who thinks the earth is flat. 

Good god, he's right you know. Except in Box HIll where there's hills on Dorking Road...

Pardon my ignorance but if we are able to retire one or both of BBB and TMac my understanding is that their salaries for 2024 are still part of our TPP.

6 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Pardon my ignorance but if we are able to retire one or both of BBB and TMac my understanding is that their salaries for 2024 are still part of our TPP.

Unless negotiated otherwise, that is correct.

59 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

Im not arguing with anything you're saying.

The art of coaching is getting the most out of the players, Im not making any predicitons, I'm simply saying hopefully we can get lucky and get somehting out of one of these two next year.

I am not going to make assumptions on their personal positions.

Wasn't arguing or having a dig. Apologies if it felt that way! Was more stating why I think they're both cooked and we need replacements asap.

The earth is flat.

the surface of the earth is 70% water.
None of it is carbonated.  

Therefore the earth is flat.

 

 

I’ll see myself out…

Just now, Lord Travis said:

Unless negotiated otherwise, that is correct.

 

I’m not sure to what extent you can negotiate. If the last year of TMac’s contract is for $700k and he accepts a payout of $500k, which figure counts in the TPP. I’d think it’s the former.

Just now, buck_nekkid said:

The earth is flat.

the surface of the earth is 70% water.
None of it is carbonated.  

Therefore the earth is flat.

 

 

I’ll see myself out…

 

5 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I’m not sure to what extent you can negotiate. If the last year of TMac’s contract is for $700k and he accepts a payout of $500k, which figure counts in the TPP. I’d think it’s the former.

There can be clauses in contracts around injury management, amount of matches played, negotiating payouts at less than full contract amount (AFL need to sign off) etc. There's options, but it remains to be seen how the club will handle it. We could just keep trying to get them up again next year, but it leaves us two list spots down and seriously undermanned for tall forward depth.

I had hoped at the start of this season that we could manage both of them well enough to give us the equivalent of one fit forward. Unfortunately neither of their bodies held up and it proved to be very costly for us. 
If we go into next season needing to get a good return of games out of them then our season is already starting to look like them- cooked. 
At best I think Tmac might be able to come in and play 5/6 games when we are stuck. 
Considering Grundy will be gone and Pig has retired we will have cap space and unless we are bringing in a gun that we haven’t heard about perhaps we are happy just to let them see out the last year of their contracts. No need to push them out the door if we are not spending the money on somebody else. Both have been great servants to the club. 

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

T Macs field kicking is horrendous and why he was moved away from down back in the 1st place.  

That's  5/6 years ago. And is over reacted to. He is abetted kick now anyways amd I also believe defence would be worth a try. 

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

T Macs field kicking is horrendous and why he was moved away from down back in the 1st place.  

I think it was when he kicked 5 (?) against the Crows (?).  He's a good set shot and has kicked over 160 goals for us - that's a pretty good target in the modern era.

Quite enjoying this thread, apart from the dunking on current players, but am thinking about possible inclusions for next season.

Hayden McLean from the Swans could be a useful tall, although Joel Amartey would be a better fit for what we are looking for. I'm wondering if McStay or Cox could be lured away from the Pies, assuming they will have greater cap pressure after the weekend.

Given the way he gets treated by their fans, Silvagni may be open for a fresh start too.

 

2 hours ago, D Rev said:

I think it was when he kicked 5 (?) against the Crows (?).  He's a good set shot and has kicked over 160 goals for us - that's a pretty good target in the modern era.

I said field kicking 

5 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

That’s because the player is usually playing for their next contract, and it’s often a big one. There is motivation.

In BBrown and TMacs case, neither will be getting another contract at their age with their injury history.

Browns knee is stuffed. He’s been managing it for years, but it’s at the point where it doesn’t seem it can be managed effectively anymore.  TMac has played 1 full season in the last 6 years, and even that was off limited preseason due to injury. His foot’s stuffed. We’d be negligent to offer either a new contract. We need to find other tall forward options in a hurry.

we were negligent last time i propose.

Love them both but hopefully arrangements can be made for both Tom and Ben to finish up. Perhaps not looking that way though with neither making an announcement post the SF loss. 

Contracts with Casey plus part time MFC coaching and commitments for sponsored learning/qualifications?

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I said field kicking 

you did - I apologise

Well, if I’ve learned anything from this thread, it’s that my long-standing resolution to never go to Bali remains unshaken. 

Edited September 25, 20231 yr by Mel Bourne

40 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Well, if I’ve learned anything from this thread, it’s that my long-standing resolution to never go to Bali remains unshaken. 

May I suggest Tuk Tuk in Lake Toba instead. Home of the Batak people. Former headhunters who drink beer, eat pork and love music

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May I suggest Tuk Tuk in Lake Toba instead. Home of the Batak people. Former headhunters who drink beer, eat pork and love music

It’s not the country, culture or it’s people that put me off. It’s ours. 
 

But anyway, back to the footy….

I think that there is an agreed strategy in place between the club and both players dependent upon a number of different and, at present, unknown factors. These factors may include how the players themselves feel after their after season break, the attitude of the football department after the trade and draft, their understanding of the players vision of their future and a prognosis of their potential fitness to face another pre-season.

Brown, I can imagine might want to continue working in football through a coaching stream whereas I would think Tmac might well be looking outside football for a future.

Both know they are close to the end of their footy playing days and both can retire knowing that they have a premiership to look back on.

Good luck to both of them.

I do not pretend to know what will eventuate or have the knowledge to venture an opinion but do have faith in the ability of the club to make the right decisions.

 

10 hours ago, M_9 said:

Pardon my ignorance but if we are able to retire one or both of BBB and TMac my understanding is that their salaries for 2024 are still part of our TPP.

Yes frees up a spot on the list M_9

9 hours ago, 58er said:

That's  5/6 years ago. And is over reacted to. He is abetted kick now anyways amd I also believe defence would be worth a try. 

I admire your optimism 58er

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Tmacs body has been breaking down since he hurt his back midway 2021. He's had several issues with his ankle and a number of surgeries on it. It's plain and clear that this is now affecting him as he can barely turn or break out into a gallop. It was embarrassing watching him in both finals.

Brown knees are just simply cooked. There's no further explanation needed.

Things went bad in 2019 for Tommy, the only game he looked himself in sure him injure his knee. Didn’t get better in 2020. We tried to dump the salary after that. Played some good games in 2021 but really it was half a good year out of the last 5.