Picket v Spargo - The Learnings

[Cranky Franky 2,145]

Spargos first instinct is invariably to look to pass to someone in a better position and secondly to have a shot on goal whereas Kossies first instinct is to kick a goal and secondly to pass off.

I love Kossie & he is such a great snap that I can usually forgive him but if he is to grow as a player & the forward line improve he needs to look to review this aspect of his game.

 

 

 

[Great Northern Summer 708]

Raising this hurts even more to think we basically let Bedford walk…

[Tracca 856]

That being said they work amazing together imo.

 

chandler is a poor man’s kozzie and I don’t think we can really play all 3 together 

[The end is nigh 430]

Who would Nick Watson replace in the 22 if drafted? 

[IRW 1,388]

13 minutes ago, Tracca said:

That being said they work amazing together imo.

 

chandler is a poor man’s kozzie and I don’t think we can really play all 3 together 

Putting some pressure on the automatic selection of Kossi might help him develop...

It's been a while and the only thing that's changed is he's put on weight so he can bump.

[dazzledavey36 55,456]

Wish we had Toby Bedford..

[DeeSpencer 26,091]

27 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Wish we had Toby Bedford..

I wish we had the Giants half backs, wings and midfield depth. 

Whitfield, Ash, Himmelberg, Perryman from half back, Kelly, Cumming and Callaghan through the wings and a commitment to run and link the ball in to space makes playing as a small half forward a lot easier than bludgeoning it down the line.

When the Giants ran out of legs in the second half yesterday the opportunities for Bedford largely dried up. 

[IRW 1,388]

54 minutes ago, Great Northern Summer said:

Raising this hurts even more to think we basically let Bedford walk…

And tossed out Hunt to make MFC   the slowest team in the AFL

[buck_nekkid 6,054]

Reminder:  Bedford wanted to leave, Hunt wanted to head to WC to get more opportunities.  We all feel bad about the season, but lets not write history wrongly to suit a narrative point.

[DeelightfulPlay 2,616]

8 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Reminder:  Bedford wanted to leave, Hunt wanted to head to WC to get more opportunities.  We all feel bad about the season, but lets not write history wrongly to suit a narrative point.

Hunt did not want to leave - he was asked to consider other options by the MFC and was devastated to go.  Ironically you're the one rewriting history on that point!

Bedford wanted to leave because he wasn't getting any chances - a big loss for us but fair enough for him, given it was back before the tactical sub so all Bedford really got to do was sit on the bench in 2022.

Edited September 17, 2023 by DeelightfulPlay
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[BDA 22,956]

The learning for me is that good ball users like spargo should play because we don’t have enough good ball users 

[buck_nekkid 6,054]

3 minutes ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

Hunt did not want to leave - he was asked to consider other options by the MFC and was devastated to go.  Ironically you're the one rewriting history on that point!

Bedford wanted to leave because he wasn't getting any chances - a big loss for us but fair enough for him, given it was back before the tactical sub so all Bedford really got to do was sit on the bench in 2022.

Ok, i thought they both left for more opportunities.  Missed the bit where Hunt wanted to stay.  Suggest he would have had very little game time anyway…

[YearOfTheDees 3,266]

Once more-We tried to keep Bedford. We did not want him to leave. Hunt was asked to explore his options. 

[Demons11 7,061]

1 hour ago, Great Northern Summer said:

Raising this hurts even more to think we basically let Bedford walk…

Bedford is a horrible kick and should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Pickett.  

Edited September 17, 2023 by Demons11

[loges 6,767]

42 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Reminder:  Bedford wanted to leave, Hunt wanted to head to WC to get more opportunities.  We all feel bad about the season, but lets not write history wrongly to suit a narrative point.

Hunt did not want to leave.

[deegirl 1,579]

Spargo can use the footy well but is slow and can’t kick further than 40m.  To his credit he makes the most of what he’s got. Pickett has so many talents but this season he has plateaued.  Against Carlton playing Pickett as the deep forward was a good move & nearly paid off. But like all small forwards, he can go missing for patches, he needs consistency. 
 

I’m firmly in the camp that you can’t have all three, Pickett, Spargo & Chandler, + ANB in the same forward half. 

[BoBo 2,941]

Kozzie and Goodwin, could look at Rioli last night and give that as a role for Kozzie to emulate. He didn’t try and play like a millionaire, instead worked hard and found space for himself across the ground to hurt GWS. He was effective and hard at the ball by getting himself involved in the play. 
 

Rioli kept Port in that game for 2 1/2 quarters. I think Kozzie could do with trying less flashy things that look great and more concentrating on running hard into dangerous spaces across the front half of the ground. The more he gets the ball the more dangerous he will be IMO. 

[BW511 2,703]

I think Kossie’s biggest weakness is he’s a confidence player. We seem to have a lot of them.

The best thing he could do is stop worrying about being tough and start focusing on the footy more. 

Spargo has limitations but he’s well aware of them and very rarely do his mistakes hurt us like Kossie’s do

 

[fr_ap 2,531]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I wish we had the Giants half backs, wings and midfield depth. 

Whitfield, Ash, Himmelberg, Perryman from half back, Kelly, Cumming and Callaghan through the wings and a commitment to run and link the ball in to space makes playing as a small half forward a lot easier than bludgeoning it down the line.

When the Giants ran out of legs in the second half yesterday the opportunities for Bedford largely dried up. 

Very well said. They have picked a game style that suits their strengths. We've picked one that suits ours. It's not as fun to watch, but we're statistically the best team over the last 3 years. Giants aren't. Gamestyle is a big part of that. 

Re. Bedford, Hunt and others - something to consider is that when a player leaves the dees, they invariably do quite well. Imo this says more about our development than the team they join. 

Bedford was very very raw when he learnt his craft at Casey, and we coached and guided him for 3 years to the point where he was a weapon down there. He can be proud of himself, but he also owes us a debt of gratitude. AMW is tracking in a similiar way in that he is now a very important player down there. It won't be long before we see him in the team.

Ditto Hunt. There are probably 20 players more talented than him on the WCE list. He had a great year because he brought Melbourne standards and Melbourne development with him. 

I know we're all in despair ATM and it sucks. But you need a lot of luck to get there - particularly with injuries. We could not find continuity in our forward half all year and in reality it was always NQR. We had method troubles in mid-21 but not the personnel issues we had this year.

[IRW 1,388]

10 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Ok, i thought they both left for more opportunities.  Missed the bit where Hunt wanted to stay.  Suggest he would have had very little game 

Hunt definitely did not want to leave and Bedford was not getting game time because the coach wouldn't play him.

It's called pretty simple equation. 

MFC is treacle slow   and Kossi spends a lot of time quickly  chasing defenders but too is late to catch them .

It looks ridiculous and is a waste of his undoubted talents 

[Cranky Franky 2,145]

Classic Demonland hijack.

Spargo v Picket has turned into Why did we let Hunt & Bedford leave 🤔.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,064]

For a bit of balance Bedford's kicked 12.16 this year including an absolute sitter from near the goal square on the weekend. Had he played a full season, he was on track for a 16.20 season.

We've cried out for accuracy this year from our forwards. Not sure whether Bedford would have solved that solution.

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Bring-Back-Powell

[layzie 34,147]

I dunno. I have been critical in the last 48 hours with aspects of our game but I don't feel like potting individual premiership player's playing styles. 

I love Kozzie's hunger for a goal and I love Spargo's selflessness to look for someone in a better position. You may well be correct in your assessment for Kozzie going forward but I didn't mind his game on Fri.

Edited September 17, 2023 by layzie

[drdrake 3,187]

21 hours ago, BW511 said:

I think Kossie’s biggest weakness is he’s a confidence player. We seem to have a lot of them.

The best thing he could do is stop worrying about being tough and start focusing on the footy more. 

Spargo has limitations but he’s well aware of them and very rarely do his mistakes hurt us like Kossie’s do

 

His biggest weakness is we wants to take mark of the year rather than being front and square.  Everyone knows where the ball is going inside our forward 50, why is he most times out the back rather than in front of the contest.

[BW511 2,703]

4 minutes ago, drdrake said:

His biggest weakness is we wants to take mark of the year rather than being front and square.  Everyone knows where the ball is going inside our forward 50, why is he most times out the back rather than in front of the contest.

I’d argue that trying to take hangers and iron out blokes is more around his desire to have an impact. I think this comes when things aren’t going right for him.

As I said, it’s confidence in letting the game come to him, rather than trying to force it.