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6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

How many would he average if our half backs ran and kicked the ball to the fat side and then to Charlie streaming open at half forward? He’d go from 10 to 15 very quickly. 

I also don’t care how many goals he kicks if he lands the ball on a forwards chest inside 40 and within the corridor 2-3 times a game.


Good small forwards don’t expect or need balls delivered on a silver platter.  They create chances, take advantage of half chances, find a way to get involved in the game. Spargo doesn’t do any of that nearly enough. 7 seasons in he’s not improving his numbers. Can’t keep carrying low possession forwards who don’t kick goals. 

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    My bad, is Charlie Spargo a key forward?

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    12 minutes ago, BaliDemon said:


    Good small forwards don’t expect or need balls delivered on a silver platter.  They create chances, take advantage of half chances, find a way to get involved in the game. Spargo doesn’t do any of that nearly enough. 7 seasons in he’s not improving his numbers. Can’t keep carrying low possession forwards who don’t kick goals. 

    Charlie’s not an opportunist goal kicker, although when given an even chance he can do that.

    He’s a link player that relies on other parts of the chain working together. If every player in our side had the attacking work rate, smarts and skills of Spargo we’d hum the ball from end to end.

    Not saying he’s a walk up start in the side either, but if we want to play faster, cleaner more expansive football that scores more we need him fighting for a spot. 

    I expect he’ll bounce back next year the same way Nibbler did in 2021.

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    16 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

    My bad, is Charlie Spargo a key forward?

    Ruck forward 

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    21 hours ago, Redleg said:

    I think he would if we got a very good offer.

    As the great man Paul Roos once said anyone is tradeable for the right offer

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    On 9/20/2023 at 9:02 AM, old55 said:

    Harry Petty = problem solved.

    He's got JVR in support who was incredible for a 2nd year player and Joel Smith who kicked 3 goals in the SF and should have had 4. Fritsch is an aerial threat and so is McAdam who's coming. Jefferson is developing at VFL level.

    Priorities are everywhere else.

     

     

    On 9/20/2023 at 9:40 AM, KingDingAling said:

    JVR, Petty, and Jefferson. We will be fine next year. Just this year we were stiff with injury with Petty.

    Except if he gets injured as we saw at the end of year. Jefferson has not yet developed as is a couple years off at least.

    We need Schache, Brown, and McDonald replacements immedietly.

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    5 hours ago, ignition. said:

     

    Except if he gets injured as we saw at the end of year. Jefferson has not yet developed as is a couple years off at least.

    We need Schache, Brown, and McDonald replacements immedietly.

    Clearly we hoped BBB and Tom Mac would be ok until the end of their contracts next year and that Schache would somehow improve from his disclosed AFL form.

     

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    On 9/29/2023 at 12:01 PM, BaliDemon said:

    10 possessions a game he averages over 7 seasons. You need to be Cyril Rioli good to be effective with those numbers. And Cyril Rioli he 'aint. Spargo doesn't hit the scoreboard enough either.

    how do his numbers stack up ahainst say WHE accross career i wonder

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    6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    The half glass full way of looking at this trade is that we essentially trade a mediocre 2022 Luke Jackson for a peak 2022 Tom Lynch who kicked 64 goals.

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    On 9/23/2023 at 8:56 PM, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

    I reckon Naughton might be our best chance in nabbing a Tall Power Forward out of Contract in 2024, 24 years of age, Dogs desperate for picks.

    Been poor this year Naughts are change of scenery with his mates Lachie and big Shaq dog might be what the doctor ordered, times are changing for WB.

    196 cm 93 kg; not a power forward I think which corresponds with my memory of him against us.  We already have JVR

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    29 minutes ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

    196 cm 93 kg; not a power forward I think which corresponds with my memory of him against us.  We already have JVR

    We need one and im on board with a Key Forward in their prime who will improve us immediately.

    Mckay fits the bill.

    Get it done Dees, just not with our pick 5 though.

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    i've been the biggest lobb hater since his giants days, he was always a better ruckman than forward but ego/sooking from his part made him a forward.

    if he came on the remaining 2yr deal he has but WBD subsidised i'd do it. you're offering something like pick 40, hear me out, hes the ruck/forward behind gawn who can play a role but isnt a total liability forward, he leaps and marks in packs (sometimes) but also at EOS 24, mcdonald brown schache all ooc all leave, so then lobb is extra important for the next 12-24 months after that as that squad depth reserve player assuming we either see jeffo come on and play or sign a big dog FF from elsewhere to take over the mantle (or a KPD to allow petty to stay fwd)

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    8 hours ago, Turner said:

    i've been the biggest lobb hater since his giants days, he was always a better ruckman than forward but ego/sooking from his part made him a forward.

    if he came on the remaining 2yr deal he has but WBD subsidised i'd do it. you're offering something like pick 40, hear me out, hes the ruck/forward behind gawn who can play a role but isnt a total liability forward, he leaps and marks in packs (sometimes) but also at EOS 24, mcdonald brown schache all ooc all leave, so then lobb is extra important for the next 12-24 months after that as that squad depth reserve player assuming we either see jeffo come on and play or sign a big dog FF from elsewhere to take over the mantle (or a KPD to allow petty to stay fwd)

    I'm not against Lobb.

    Despite having a disastrous first season at the Dogs, he did manage to kick 10 of his 20 odd goals in the last 4 games including a 3 goal/15 possession/1 brownlow vote game in round 24. Imagine if we got that kind of output in the semi final compared to T Mac's 6 possession/1 hit out disaster of a game.

    If nothing else he fills a need for 2 years as a goal kicking back up to Max while JVR can focus on being a forward. He can also be a cover for Petty who can't be relied upon to play 20+ games a year.

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    3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    I'm not against Lobb.

    Despite having a disastrous first season at the Dogs, he did manage to kick 10 of his 20 odd goals in the last 4 games including a 3 goal/15 possession/1 brownlow vote game in round 24. Imagine if we got that kind of output in the semi final compared to T Mac's 6 possession/1 hit out disaster of a game.

    If nothing else he fills a need for 2 years as a goal kicking back up to Max while JVR can focus on being a forward. He can also be a cover for Petty who can't be relied upon to play 20+ games a year.

    If one game is enough, we’re sweet with Ben Brown after his brownlow vote from Round 1.

    One game is not nearly enough. Lobb has a persistent career pattern of inconsistency and poor effort. He’s no more a “goal kicking back up to Max” or “cover for Petty” than Schache, but triple the cost.

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    Do we need a big fwd?

    For comparison, Collingwood's goal kickers vs Melb (Coll played two extra games)

    Collingwood                                               Melbourne

    • Brody M 47                                                 Fritsch 38
    • Jamie E 39                                                  Picket 38
    • Hill 33                                                          JVR 28
    • Ash J 21                                                      Tracc 28
    • Daniel McS 20                                            Chandler 24
    • N Daicos 19                                                Melk 20
    • Jordan DG 18                                             ANB 19
    • Beau McC 17                                              Petty 12
    • M Cox 17                                                    J Smith 11

    231 Goals to our top 9 kicking 217. And when Fritsch only played 17 games and Petty 14. Coll's top 3 played 24 games each

    There is a reasonable argument we don't need a big key fwd.

     

     

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    29 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Do we need a big fwd?

    For comparison, Collingwood's goal kickers vs Melb (Coll played two extra games)

    Collingwood                                               Melbourne

    • Brody M 47                                                 Fritsch 38
    • Jamie E 39                                                  Picket 38
    • Hill 33                                                          JVR 28
    • Ash J 21                                                      Tracc 28
    • Daniel McS 20                                            Chandler 24
    • N Daicos 19                                                Melk 20
    • Jordan DG 18                                             ANB 19
    • Beau McC 17                                              Petty 12
    • M Cox 17                                                    J Smith 11

    231 Goals to our top 9 kicking 217. And when Fritsch only played 17 games and Petty 14. Coll's top 3 played 24 games each

    There is a reasonable argument we don't need a big key fwd.

     

     

    Just needs time and to stay together.  But our hand might be forced, If we had to trade Oliver, Larkey and Pick 2 from north or King and Pick 4 as starting points would be the only options I’d consider. McKay has to many flaws I’d not want to give what blues would demand 

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    1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

    Do we need a big fwd?

    For comparison, Collingwood's goal kickers vs Melb (Coll played two extra games)

    Collingwood                                               Melbourne

    • Brody M 47                                                 Fritsch 38
    • Jamie E 39                                                  Picket 38
    • Hill 33                                                          JVR 28
    • Ash J 21                                                      Tracc 28
    • Daniel McS 20                                            Chandler 24
    • N Daicos 19                                                Melk 20
    • Jordan DG 18                                             ANB 19
    • Beau McC 17                                              Petty 12
    • M Cox 17                                                    J Smith 11

    231 Goals to our top 9 kicking 217. And when Fritsch only played 17 games and Petty 14. Coll's top 3 played 24 games each

    There is a reasonable argument we don't need a big key fwd.

     

     

    Interesting argument looking at the statistics in isolation. However, between Collingwood and Melbourne there is a stark contrast in how the ball is being delivered into the forward 50; their system suits forwards who are leading into space. Our system is different and I think requires a strong tall contested KPF to make it more effective.

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    20 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

    Interesting argument looking at the statistics in isolation. However, between Collingwood and Melbourne there is a stark contrast in how the ball is being delivered into the forward 50; their system suits forwards who are leading into space. Our system is different and I think requires a strong tall contested KPF to make it more effective.

    You may be on to something.

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    On 10/2/2023 at 1:04 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    The half glass full way of looking at this trade is that we essentially trade a mediocre 2022 Luke Jackson for a peak 2022 Tom Lynch who kicked 64 goals.

    Not really How do we know Lynch is going to be any better after his injury. Isn't he still in a moon boot? 

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