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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

How many [censored] lawyers are there in this place 🤷‍♂️😂

We need somewhere to put our darkest thoughts and relieve some stress! haha

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57 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Has anyone heard anything about Max’s foot? Some wild rumours on FB.

Not sure about Max's foot but Clarry has a compression bandage on his left knee in a photo on Instagram (featuring future father daughter Tilly Smith)

 

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13 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

It's going to be a busy precinct Friday night. The storm are playing at the same time as us

Was hoping to be down the peninsula on Friday night as opposed to bush bashing crowds around the G. 

C'est la vie...

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Carlton missed the starting pistol for the season and spent the rest of the year trying to recover.

My theory is they responded to the fact they had pre season injuries by changing to a 1 pit stop strategy. Doing their preseason early to mid season to peak about 4 weeks ago in a mad dash to make finals. This will mean they won't have the gas in the 4th.

Melbourne will win the fourth quarter. Just depends how far back we get ourselves.

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4 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Bop Bop....Bopping the Blues.....

( a little long...perhaps get a red, a beer or a panadol.... )

There's an old adage; If it aint broke ...don't fix it. Agruably conversely if it is BROKEN....you amy well want to FIX it !!

Our predicament is we enter all games currently as a game of two halves... Not quarters per se....but a Front Half and a back half.  Our Defence work's pretty good most of the time and certainly isn't the prime concern. Our front half is....let's be polite....broken.

It bumbled along quite ok until recently whilst we had Petty , who finally found his straps and it started working. Alas poor Petty...we knew him well..      Enter stage left.... Melksham.  A more than handy replacement as it turned out.....and then....well....

Since then...quite frankly it's a shambles. No coherence, no connect.  Now there's a word..and indeed the crux of the dilemma ( imho )...CONNECTION.  From the back half to the front hald there is bugger all. And that's where it all comes apart.

Strangley you win games by scoring. Defending is good  but that as such doesn't go up on the scoreboard.

What to do ??

Now some might have a good chuckle ( or just a chuck ) at what follows.  We move the magnets.

A role that Milky played was tobe the link between the two halves...as it came out of the half back through the wing or ,l occasionally the guts he was often there to mark and keep the bal lgoing to a forward...and a forward in a good scoring position ( very VERY important )

Back in the day this was pretty much what Tommy Mac would also do...Float fairly high as a HF and collect and deliver.

This is where we fall down. We need that High Half Forward type todraw the ball and in turn spot up a goal kicker

Where oh where tofind such a beast. Strangley enough he's right in front of us..A co-member of the 'failed' forward experiment. None other than Maxxy Max.  If he wasnt a ruck an independent unbiased observer might be mistaken for thinking he'd make an excellent CHF ( but not too close to goal ) In fact if we take the Dee-Goggles off for a tic  and watch, he actually does this role anyway..    He slots in somewhere on that half forward line...and marks.

Thats exactly what you want roaming along that territory...someone who 1)  Knows where to be 2) Can take a mark ( oftern in a pack ) 3) has some idea what to do with it afterwards.  Indeed if close enough have a crack....and hes been kinownto slot a few in a final...Handy !!

But ....but....but........

But what ??

You can't take Max out of the ruck......

Why Not ???... if only we had someone who could take that Role....if only we had.....     oh wait !!!

The bleedingly obvious solution is of course Grundy....  yeah... I know...only an AA Ruck...in pretty good nick   ...

That's , imho , what you do..Let Brodie ruck most of the ground .  If the ball falls forward  either Tommy or Max can take it whatever seems a better idea a that ( particular) moment

Forward structure.. the previously mentioned hot zone.   Thats gunna be Tommy's new home for the most part. He doesnt have to roamnearly as far as is HF... He knows how to mark, knows how to kick.   The other forwards..  let Frita off the leash..let him roam.. Cancel Kozzi's pilot licence...ground him... intruct to lead and crumb...and be Johnny on the spot in the forward arc creatinig mayhem..He IS very good at that. He needs a reset, a refocssing.

We need the ball to come back towards the corridor going forward.  We need someone to direct,organise thiings a bit... Someone who CAN NOT be disregarded..someone who's leads and presence MUST be heeded...Again this is MAX  ...burn him at your peril.

Keep the entries more central...   The reporting of some 'coaching' ( and that must be a very loose interpretation)  of 'clump" techniques in the pocket ....I mean wtf !!  someone has absolutley NFI if thats the case. Have we become so 'defensive' orientatated that we  have forgotten how to attack...to play forward... i.e  be brave enough to score ??

A caveat to all of this is not to crowd each other ...divide the defenders. This idea of british bulldog  forward footy...give it away...it's rubbish.   ( and more the point well worked out rubbish now )

It will be hard to keep Trac forward now I guess..  But we need to find someone(s) with flair  who can rotate through the middle and let Christian be dangerous

Do you entertain bringing Woey back and have some limited time in the guts as well as forward ...  in a fashion that's the second tier element to the problem...but any number of possibilities there.

The main one...the BIG FIX is to rejig the forward  game....and it really wouldn't take that much. Thery're all kinda there...thereabouts...    just the set up is WRONG

Let Grundy do what he is very capable of doing...and release the Max

The pairing in a fashion of Max and Brodie is , for mine...still full of potential.....  just not how it's been done to date.

We have nothing to lose..  If we keep repeating what hasnt worked....well guess what !!!

 

likelihood of happening....  nada

thanks for humouring me by reading.....that's my say...     now off you all go to snicker...sneeze...guffaw...

Go Dees

 

 

I am not laughing BB but I doubt the coach is that enterprising.

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6 minutes ago, Xecutioner said:

Carlton missed the starting pistol for the season and spent the rest of the year trying to recover.

My theory is they responded to the fact they had pre season injuries by changing to a 1 pit stop strategy. Doing their preseason early to mid season to peak about 4 weeks ago in a mad dash to make finals. This will mean they won't have the gas in the 4th.

Melbourne will win the fourth quarter. Just depends how far back we get ourselves.

Now here is a radical thought how about we win the first quarter?

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26 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

You know what's annoying. We were the laughing stock all those years ago because we were no good, now if we drop out of finals again in straight sets again we will be the laughing stock. 

Better get your thick skin out !

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4 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Media narrative very pro Carlton. No surprise as HQ wanting a Pies Blues GF. 

Excellent. Can't wait to blow that corporate dream into red and blue confetti. 

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6 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Media narrative very pro Carlton. No surprise as HQ wanting a Pies Blues GF. 

All rather incestuous in that regard isnt it  😉

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4 minutes ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

Excellent. Can't wait to blow that corporate dream into red and blue confetti. 

Yep. Hard to beat City Hall though.

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6 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Media narrative very pro Carlton. No surprise as HQ wanting a Pies Blues GF. 

Cannot see anything but a Coll v Lions GF. Lions have sorted out some of their defence issues.

Too hard to beat at the Gabba. They dont lose up there.

Dees would give them a fight but we havent enough goal kickers left.

Carlton would get obliterated. Better they bow out gracefully.😄

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My goodness,  I think I would almost sacrifice my first born for another crack at the Pies. Shes lucky shes a Dees fan.

They were so lucky to win. We were a good player down and subbed in a young kid with 5games.

We played half a game and only just lost. By errant kicking  too.

No ways pies are better than us.

The lions not being able to win at tge G wouldn't have been a threat. 

We were so close.

This loss really hurts.

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Pickett needs to step up this week and make the semi final his own. 

2.5 in his last 3 games and I shudder to think of the out on the fulls and the failing to make the distances.

If he pulls out a round 1 like 20 possession 4 goal game, then we’re on the plane to Brisbane next Friday.

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Does BBB get one last hurrah?

Could we do something left field and have Tomilson play a defensive forward game on Weitering? 

All I know is we need to start better than we have the last 2 months. If we're level with a quarter left I have no doubt we win

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6 minutes ago, Coobs said:

Does BBB get one last hurrah?

Could we do something left field and have Tomilson play a defensive forward game on Weitering? 

All I know is we need to start better than we have the last 2 months. If we're level with a quarter left I have no doubt we win

No 

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Not worthy of a new topic, however, would like to know if people think this group of players gets a bit of stage fright early in front of big hostile crowds at the G?

I know they’ve got Grand final experience (albeit at Optus) but it seems that whenever we play in front of a large MCG crowd against a another big Victorian team we start poorly.

Some recent examples:

Round 6: Richmond ANZAC eve - poor start

Round 13 - Collingwood KBD - poor start

Round 22 - Carlton - poor start

QF - Collingwood - poor start.

I know we had finals wins in 2018 but Geelong and Hawthorn crowds don’t have the same level of goading and intimidation as a Pies/Blues/Richmond crowd. 

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