1 hour ago, A F said:

Calls for Hardwick to replace Goodwin are the height of nuffiness.

Are they???

That was obviously a hugely disappointing loss today. Every year when you reflect on your season and think of the losses that stung the most and come back to ultimately bite you that one is going to be right up there.

Clearly we have an enormous amount of issues and the whole coaching staff need to take responsibility for our two glaring weaknesses which are yet to be fixed (firstly our dysfunctional forward line set up and secondly our inability to transition the ball from D50 to O50)

However I have 2 important points to make …..

So many posters, supporters and media personalities always talk about our fantastic list and that we are a team with generational talent and we need to get another flag with this group to make this period a success etc etc. I personally think our list is overrated. We have 3 or 4 A graders and a handful of B+ and B graders which is all good and well but if you do your analysis most teams apart from those rebuilding also have that. Our role players are nowhere near good enough to win a flag and quite simply other sides bat deeper than we do.

Second of all I think that most just assume that when a side wins a flag they are automatically the best side in it and will be the team to beat again the next year and will be a contender for the years to come. 2021 was a long time ago now and in a game that evolves every week if you don’t improve you get left behind pretty fast. Over the last 6 weeks I think it’s become pretty clear the rest of the comp has passed us by in many areas and we have stagnated badly.

Let’s hope we get a big response against the Sainters next week

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It feels like for every game Pies somehow find a way to win, we find a way to lose. It really is so infuriating 😭

I posted this in the game day thread but it’s worth another run.

GWS marked overhead with ease at times whilst we continually dropped chest marks.

 

Edited July 2, 20231 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

Grundy 62% time on ground....he'd actually be putting up pretty good numbers if we played him

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It feels like for every game Pies somehow find a way to win, we find a way to lose. It really is so infuriating 😭

Even more so with pies and power able to rest and rotate their list comfortably while we will have to [censored] our best 22 to try and scrape into top 4.

Edit: Strange word being censored there. Guess the filter doesn't pick up context.

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2 hours ago, Demonsone said:

What’s with Trac he’s kicking has gone backwards, sure wins enough of the ball but so watch if u butchering the kick.

Hunter nit much better he just continues to turnover he’s kicks. 

He lacks composure. He rushes himself which leads to fumbles, high pressure kicking etc.

He needs to watch McVee move and learn to move out of pressure situations before disposing the ball. 

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Why was JVR dropped?

I was thinking exactly that.

What’s happened to Max? It’s clearly playing on his mind because he raised it on the Gus and Gawny Podcast, he took two contested marks today (a plus from previous weeks) but he’s not having any influence around the ground, was easily pushed off it today.

petraccas body language looks terrible at the moment, playing for frees, throwing his hands up in the air.

This year they have gone away from “everyone gets a lick of the ice cream”, guys are snapping ridiculous shots at goal, not centring it, our forward line has become very selfish.

Fritsch out for the foreseeable future makes things even worse, i fee like we need to drop one of the rucks and have a second forward as the secondary ruck.

bring on the saints I guess…… cannot wait for all the effort and a solid 2 point win, kicking 22 behinds and 6 goals…

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

It feels like for every game Pies somehow find a way to win, we find a way to lose. It really is so infuriating 😭

It's funny, I would describe it as just incapable of winning. 

We have dominated so many games this year but we can't convert from all of our good efforts down back and through winning contested ball.

It's becoming quite excruciating and nauseating to watch.

All of those years of watching poor footy has been replaced with watching really good competitive footy with absolutely no hope of putting a team to the sword.

I feel like we're driving a Ferrari but with no steering wheel, just a piece of rope attached to the front wheels like a kids go kart.

We go pretty well until we have to steer it through a corner.

 

Kingy and Montagna are absolutely spot on with this 

 

 

I hate tonight 

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Kingy and Montagna are absolutely spot on with this 

Not sure about Kingy’s solution of Trac forward though - kicking more points isn’t gonna help. They’re spot on with the rest though.

“They play too slow, too wide. There are so many numbers inside their forward 50 that it makes it hard. Every shot Petracca is having is under pressure, Kozzie Pickett is getting shots at goal but there‘s numbers everywhere,” Montagna told First Crack.

“I think they‘re making it really difficult for themselves because they’re focused so heavily on the defensive contest side of it. I’ve just think they’ve got to find the balance.”

This - clear it out and let the forwards work

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

I hate tonight 

The cricket just got interesting. 

23 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Are they???

No other supporter base would try and sack a coach who won a flag in 2021 and finished 2nd in 2022.

Yep, nuffiness. 

2 minutes ago, A F said:

No other supporter base would try and sack a coach who won a flag in 2021 and finished 2nd in 2022.

Yep, nuffiness. 

I agree with this. 
But I think we need some new assistants next season. 

1 hour ago, CHF said:

It should not take our coaching team his long to react.

You mean like last season when they made the change of Petty forward with 10 minutes to go after the game / final & season was pretty much shot?

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

But I think we need some new assistants next season. 

Most sensible people would agree with this.

Bin Man Talks about how innovative Goody is, but it is all stuff he can think through/practice at training. There is absolutely no flexibility on game day. Why was Ben Brown playing in those conditions? He tried his best, but those were not conditions where Ben Brown was going to contribute. Why do we always play badly in the wet? Because Goodwin doesn't change a thing. Bin Man might say he wants to prioritise repetition, but that doesn't help if it rains in a final (or too often in a season for us to make finals). We can also no longer say we're the highest scoring team in the competition, I think we're now 7th? The way our smalls play, compared to e.g. Toby Greene, how long before we decide maybe a ruckman isn't the greatest forward line coach?

We have the best list we've had in generations, and Goodwin is wasting it. 

20 minutes ago, A F said:

No other supporter base would try and sack a coach who won a flag in 2021 and finished 2nd in 2022.

Yep, nuffiness. 

“finished 2nd in 2022” ?

Stretching the truth to suit your argument ?

The vast majority will remember 2022 as going out in straight sets and the year being a great disappointment. 

4 hours ago, praha said:

This is 100% a coaching and strategy issue.

Bringing in Brown and Harmes was applauded on this forum. I just can't fathom it. Naturally, JVR killed it at Casey.

I really wish we'd stop with this trying to recapture 2021 form BS. We need to move on otherwise we're going to get caught out and the wheels will fall off. 

We lost today at the selection table and in the coach's box.

At half time Gus was interviewed coming off the ground - he made a comment along the lines of they were happy with the forward structure and the way they were handling the ball inside 50 and that it was just a conversion issue. He said eventually the goals will come.

This so wrong it's not funny but it's obviously the message communicated by the coaches. The inaccuracy is caused by our forward structure, ball movement etc! The goals won't just magically start to happen because we are back to playing a brand of footy that makes it impossible to score (long bombs inside 50, congested forward half etc)

4 hours ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

England cricket team levels of self delusion at the moment. 
There’s something to be said for doing everything right and not getting the result, but eventually you have to get the result. We’re going backwards fast.. 

hang on a minute, Stokesy is single handedly playing another heroic innings to get his lads over the line

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59 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I posted this in the game day thread but it’s worth another run.

GWS marked overhead with ease at times whilst we continually dropped chest marks.

 

What about our continued slipping?

7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

At half time Gus was interviewed coming off the ground - he made a comment along the lines of they were happy with the forward structure and the way they were handling the ball inside 50 and that it was just a conversion issue. He said eventually the goals will come.

This so wrong it's not funny but it's obviously the message communicated by the coaches. The inaccuracy is caused by our forward structure, ball movement etc! The goals won't just magically start to happen because we are back to playing a brand of footy that makes it impossible to score (long bombs inside 50, congested forward half etc)

Yes and no.

On expected scores we should have won today 74-42. Expected scores account for the difficulty of the shots we took. So it's not all because our shots were hard and we can't be expected to kick goals from them.

AFAIK expected scores don't take into account pressure and fatigue, and I'm confident that because our forward half is always so congested we are taking our shots under more pressure and with greater fatigue (particularly from our half-forwards and mids who are being asked to cover heaps of ground). Plus there is the mental pressure - the more we are inaccurate, the more pressure there is each time.

53 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Kingy and Montagna are absolutely spot on with this 

 

 

what nonsense 

they need to try something different in the fwd line?  we have literally changed the mix every 2 weeks. if anything we need some consistency in selection up there. 

and Trac would be playing 40% fwd if we could afford him too. and spraying those shots all over the place. 

wtf