PREGAME: Rd 07 vs North Melbourne

[Neil Crompton 5,231]

With Goody still not settled on his best forward mix, I'd like to see Schache and JVR take on the key forward roles this week, with Petty heading back to defense. I think Petty is a key defender not a key forward.

Since we do have Disco Turner politely knocking on the defense door, I'd actually like to see May take on a key forward role with JVR at some stage, while we are still experimenting. His strength and speed (when fit) and pack busting ability might well bring a "Hawkins" like beast into our forward line - something we just don't have with our other forwards.

If the two options above fail, then we can always hope that, despite the visual evidence to the contrary, at least one of BBB and TMac  are not over the hill as would first appear, and we play them again. Hopefully one of the first two options work.

[DubDee 23,944]

I’d like to Laurie come in. 

we need Brown too. 

For who is harder. Anyone that needs a rest

[DubDee 23,944]

2 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

With Goody still not settled on his best forward mix, I'd like to see Schache and JVR take on the key forward roles this week, with Petty heading back to defense. I think Petty is a key defender not a key forward.

Since we do have Disco Turner politely knocking on the defense door, I'd actually like to see May take on a key forward role with JVR at some stage, while we are still experimenting. His strength and speed (when fit) and pack busting ability might well bring a "Hawkins" like beast into our forward line - something we just don't have with our other forwards.

If the two options above fail, then we can always hope that, despite the visual evidence to the contrary, at least one of BBB and TMac  are not over the hill as would first appear, and we play them again. Hopefully one of the first two options work.

Brown has kicked 4, 4, 1

in his 3 games this year. he is our primary fwd

[David-Demon 545]

14 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The five day break between games will influence selection this week, ahead of yet another interstate trip the week after.

Luke Dunstan, James Harmes and Daniel Turner are all in the mix for selection along with Josh Schache who was rested this week.

The first post match training session will determine which players get managed this week. We’re in the fortunate position of not only having the playing depth and being able to afford to use it but we don’t want to get too arrogant just because we’re up against North.

Your reasoning is sound, all you need to do is look at the stars last week at Casey in Dunstan, Turner and Harmes ( 2 weeks in a row). What this rotation action does is reinforce TEAM spirit. These guys should be able to hold their own in substitution for the guys who need a fitness query rest.

[Lucifers Hero 38,559]

To put our travel and the current 5-day break in perspective.

A poster on North's bigfooty noted about their travel:  We started at home at Marvel, next to Perth at Optus, followed by Hawthorn at UTas Stadium, then at home at Marvel against Carlton, back on the road to Adelaide for Gather Round and on Sunday to the Gold Coast.

We had:   MCG, Gabba, MCG, Perth, Adelaide, MCG,

On the 5-day break.  This week North have a 6-day break and had to fly back from Qld on Sunday night or Monday morning..

Overall, I don't see our travel and short break a disadvantage.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Lucifers Hero

[binman 41,537]

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

To put our travel and the current 5-day break in perspective.

A poster on North's bigfooty noted about their travel:  We started at home at Marvel, next to Perth at Optus, followed by Hawthorn at UTas Stadium, then at home at Marvel against Carlton, back on the road to Adelaide for Gather Round and on Sunday to the Gold Coast.

We had:   MCG, Gabba, MCG, Perth, Adelaide, MCG,

On the 5-day break.  This week North have a 6-day break and had to fly back from Qld.

Overall, I don't see our travel and short break a disadvantage.

Ugh - seeimg the jeez roos schedule like that gave me a heeby jeeby flashback of being a team down the bottom with low membership numbers.

 

 

[Sydee 4,109]

11 hours ago, adonski said:

In: Brown

Out: Hibbo (managed)

Petty to defence 

Why would BB be promoted did SFA at Casey last game - gives us nothing in terms of F50 pressure when he doesn't mark the pill

[Deemania since 56 6,530]

13 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

If Chandler is not 100% , then Laurie or Melksham should play.Harmes and Dunstan also need to be considered.

I'd like the Club to experiment with a tough-nut, take-no-fabric-softener duo in Viney and Dunstan operating out of the centre to free-up, relieve and re-configure the onerous burden we place on Clarrie for every second of the game. As it is, all midfield opponents rotate and feed off our rucks - centre clearances and ball-ups turn out to be raffle tickets from which we repeatedly have to make amends. A couple of G-men in there will help, surely? 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,731]

Harmes and  Dunstan definitely look  "a class above" when playing for Casey.  I think we should make more  use of them in the seniors.

[roy11 3,599]

Out: Unlucky bounce of the ball

In: Lucky bounce of the ball.

[Colm 1,842]

Petty forward or back is a tough call this week for me. I think he’s improving up front and will get better with more games. I see he had the third highest distance covered just 500m less than Langdon who of course was first, so he must be doing a lot of defensive stuff off the ball. 
On the other hand I think we badly miss him in defence, Lever and May don’t seem as confident without him. If May is carrying an injury and is rested then Petty will go back. 
Id like to see Laurie and Disco get a start this week. 

[roy11 3,599]

3 minutes ago, Colm said:

On the other hand I think we badly miss him in defence, Lever and May don’t seem as confident without him. If May is carrying an injury and is rested then Petty will go back. 

May is struggling a little, curious to see how he'd go with Petty with him in the backline. If he is still a little shakey might need a rest if his body isnt 100%

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

While I don't necessarily agree with it, I get the sense from Goodwin's press conferences recently that the Petty/JVR/Fritta/resting ruckman combination is going to be persisted with a little while longer, so I can't see BBB or TMac returning this week, or Petty returning to the backline.

The only possible change I see to that forward mix is Schache coming in if Grundy needs a freshen up.  Schache looked destined to play seniors before his concussion and was clearly on the cusp this week if we needed a late change and got shafted by the VFL game being on Sunday and didn't play at all.  The coaches may want to keep the Gawn/Grundy chemistry building though if they are both managing well.

Harmes I think is next in line for a call up as he is far more dynamic than Dunstan, who clearly has his admirers, but I'm just not one of them.  If one of Viney/Trac/Clarry can't play, I think we resuffle players like Sparrow, Gus and JJ to cover their middle time and bring in a player like Laurie.  IMO, Dunstan would only come in if two of our inside midfielders were out.  Dunstan played in the North game last year, and perhaps I was being harsh, but I left that game thinking he was absolutely last resort.

[titan_uranus 24,424]

If we move Petty to defence this week then IMO it’s defence for the year for him. I don’t want us to keep flipping him from week to week. Whether it’s forward or back, he needs to get stability with May/Lever or JVR/whoever. Flipping him around is giving me Brad Miller vibes - never got settled and never got to his potential as a result. 

If he’s a forward then leave him there. If not, move him back and get Brown back into the side. 

[titan_uranus 24,424]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

To put our travel and the current 5-day break in perspective.

A poster on North's bigfooty noted about their travel:  We started at home at Marvel, next to Perth at Optus, followed by Hawthorn at UTas Stadium, then at home at Marvel against Carlton, back on the road to Adelaide for Gather Round and on Sunday to the Gold Coast.

We had:   MCG, Gabba, MCG, Perth, Adelaide, MCG,

On the 5-day break.  This week North have a 6-day break and had to fly back from Qld.

Overall, I don't see our travel and short break a disadvantage.

Horrendous fixture for them. Ours better but clearly not by much (remember we’re on the Gold Coast next week too).

Meanwhile Essendon and St Kilda haven’t played anywhere other than Marvel/MCG (bar Gather Round).

[Lucifers Hero 38,559]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Horrendous fixture for them. Ours better but clearly not by much (remember we’re on the Gold Coast next week too).

Meanwhile Essendon and St Kilda haven’t played anywhere other than Marvel/MCG (bar Gather Round).

I was really pre-empting the melts over travel and a 5 day break for this week's game that will surely come from posters, rather than the overall travel burden. 

imv travel and breaks are relevant only in relation to our next opponent so I reckon we start fairly even with North.

[FritschyBusiness 1,463]

 

24 minutes ago, Colm said:

Petty forward or back is a tough call this week for me. I think he’s improving up front and will get better with more games. I see he had the third highest distance covered just 500m less than Langdon who of course was first, so he must be doing a lot of defensive stuff off the ball. 
On the other hand I think we badly miss him in defence, Lever and May don’t seem as confident without him. If May is carrying an injury and is rested then Petty will go back. 
Id like to see Laurie and Disco get a start this week. 

Where he is played is the difference, Petty stops way more goals than he kicks per game.
Since he has been played forward our average score against has gone up a couple goals a game.

He's played forward for 4 games and kicked 2 goals 1 for the season, It isn't working. 

[Sydee 4,109]

5 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

 

Where he is played is the difference, Petty stops way more goals than he kicks per game.
Since he has been played forward our average score against has gone up a couple goals a game.

He's played forward for 4 games and kicked 2 goals 1 for the season, It isn't working. 

Tells you something about the form of the blokes at Casey last week that might be his replacement in F50.

Don't look at his contribution as just goals scored - yes that's obviously one of his main KPIs as a forward and I still think he will have games soon where he kicks multiple goals - this week could be one of those. What he is much better at than (BB & Schache) is competing strongly in the air stopping opposition intercept marks and chasing when the ball hits the ground

I wish we had two Petty's so one could play back but we don't. May is in very poor form IMO - if he was flying, we probably wouldn't even have to think about Petty going back

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

25 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

 

Where he is played is the difference, Petty stops way more goals than he kicks per game.
Since he has been played forward our average score against has gone up a couple goals a game.

He's played forward for 4 games and kicked 2 goals 1 for the season, It isn't working. 

That's not correct.  Looking at his heat maps for all 6 games, he played back for rounds 1 and 2 (WB and Lions), and returned back for round 5 (Ess) because Lever was out.  He was forward against Sydney and West Coast, then again for Richmond.  We've won every time his played as a forward, not that anyone should read much into that.

[DubDee 23,944]

Why the hell are we playing on saturday after playing monday night?  Tigers get a sunday match.  we are playing north, clearly not a blockbuster

[censored] me

[Vipercrunch 2,820]

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Why the hell are we playing on saturday after playing monday night?  Tigers get a sunday match.  we are playing north, clearly not a blockbuster

[censored] me

Channel 7 must be licking their lips at the potential viewing audience 😂🤦‍♂️

[Jaded No More 66,368]

20 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Why the hell are we playing on saturday after playing monday night?  Tigers get a sunday match.  we are playing north, clearly not a blockbuster

[censored] me

Yeah it's a weird fixture, especially when we then play GC the following week, then Hawks. All 3 games could easily be a Sunday to be honest.

 

[Winners at last 5,117]

In:    Kozzy to get the occasional gig in the centre square to get him into the match.

Out: Kozzy not getting the occasional gig in the centre square to get him into the match.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,620]

13 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hibberd had ice in his Achilles once again. Could be another who's managed potentially. 

Would ice after a game on his achilles be a sign of concern or just standard practice for a 33 year old with a recent achilles problem?

With respect to the Petty forward or back debate, I'm wondering whether the thinking is that Turner has progressed enough through the pecking order so that we have the luxury of trying to turn Petty into a true key position forward. Whether they play this year or not, Brown and McDonald are both nearing the end, so the intention might be to have key defenders of May, Lever, D Turner and Tomlinson and key forwards of van Rooyen, Petty and eventually Jefferson.  

[beelzebub 23,105]

1 hour ago, FritschyBusiness said:

 

Where he is played is the difference, Petty stops way more goals than he kicks per game.
Since he has been played forward our average score against has gone up a couple goals a game.

He's played forward for 4 games and kicked 2 goals 1 for the season, It isn't working. 

Yep....horses and courses.

He might well make for a left field shuffle of the magnets in a game whereby all the widgets and stars align to make it a workable ploy..

Other than that he is a key link in the fabric of our defence.

Experiments.....  we can meddle elsewhere

As they say.... Harry in defence aint broke...let's  not 'fix' it .