1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

Yes, you can so easily identify what other teams were able to do during finals, (ie, copy our game plan lol) and also point out that we lost those games due to poor field kicking, poor kicking inside 50 and inaccuracy in front of goal.. (something that has killed us for years in games that we 'should have' won)

But.

You refuse to list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view? Or do you not think it's an inherent problem due to the personnel we play in certain positions? 

Why do you think this trend of poor kicking both in general play, going inside 50 and then shots on goal in general play exists mainly, if it's not personnel? 

I refuse to list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view?

Refuse? Refuse who?  You? 

You seem to paint anyone who sees things in more positive light than you in such black and whiter terms. And paint yourself as clear eyed and able to see what noobs such as myself are too blindly loyal to see. As if i do nothing but praise the club and refuse to see or acknowledge any weaknesses.

(by the by, i don't think other clubs 'copied our game plan' and have never said they have. I HAVE said on many occasions that we copied the Tigers game plan and that the model developed by Hardwick is the template for the way the game is now played). 

C'mon Jimmy such reductive, black and white nonsense is so puerile. It is why i don't bother engaging in any meaningful discussion with you any more.

You don't seem to be interested in genuine discussion. You seem to prefer baiting, being obtuse and unnecessarily contrarian. It's tiresome. But each to their own i guess.

But i'll bite this time.

So, to your point about me 'refusing' to 'list what Goodwin should be doing about that from a list point of view'. 

For one thing, if you had been paying attention, i have banging on about our poor kicking skills ever since i started posting on DL 13 years ago. 

And more recently i have addressed what i see as our key list needs on multiple occasions.

For example, for your reading pleasure please see these three recent examples (let me know if you want some more): 

 

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7 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Spargo could solve world peace, but Picket Fence would still have him behind Idi Amin, Pol Pot and Bin Laden in any ratings scale

Not True AND HARSH!

So no more rumours?

 

Foot must be healing well

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Apart from anything else, WITH A FOOT INJURY??!!

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Hmmmm...

'Josh Money'?

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

FB: McVee May Tomlinson
HB: Rivers Lever Salem
C; Langdon Petracca Hunter
HF: ANB Petty Pickett
FF: McAdam JVR Fritsch
Foll: Gawn Oliver Viney
Int: Bowey Brayshaw Sparrow Chandler
S: J Smith

Depth (7)
Back: Turner, Howes
Mid: Woey (wing), Laurie (high half forward), pure mid?
Ruck: Fullarton
Forward: Schache, Spargo 

Draft: 6, 11

Old (3) Melksham, BBB, T Mc

Developmental (7)
Back: Adams, ?K Turner
Mids: ???? (K Brown?)
Rucks: Verrall, KFW
Forwards: Jefferson, Sestan, ?AMW

If we use 6 and 11 on guys who can contribute something in year 1 then we’ll have 32 guys who can contribute which is a fair number.

Unless we draft a ready to go type like Sanders a capable on baller or wing and a back pocket would be the 2 positions I’d be searching the delistings/state leagues for in terms of immediate depth - JJ and Hibberd replacements. As well as swapping out at least one of the tall forwards for a mature ruck. 

We have pick 41 also.

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, D.Turner, Bowey

C: Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, Petty, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, Smith, McAdam

SUB: Chandler

 

Casey

B: K.Turner, Tomlinson, Adams

HB: Howes, O'Sullivan, pick 41

C: Woewodin, Laurie, Chandler

HF: Melksham, McDonald, Moniz-Wakefield

F: Jefferson, B.Brown, Schache

FOLL: Fullerton, Saunders, Spargo

IC: Sestan, Verrall, Faris-White, K.Brown

 

I'm hoping we pick Sanders up at 6 and O'Sullivan at 11 not sure who we should pick with 41 hopefully a running half back any suggestions Spence? Expecting to pick K.Brown as a rookie. 

Expecting crows to come in at the last with a bigger offer.  If he stayed injury free this year I think we win the flag and he could be that important again next year. 
But there’s the sort of smoke only a bushfire can create now. We saw how Jackson performed once his head had been turned and it’s becoming very obvious that Pettys  head has been turned more than Doggas was. 

18 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Apart from anything else, WITH A FOOT INJURY??!!

Might've been mini golf

🤣

28 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

best thing for him. few weeks in adelaide now. few more at xmas and he he’ll be keen as to get back to Melbs

29 minutes ago, bing181 said:

So no more rumours?

Where's @Nudge. Been awfully quiet. Would have thought his source would have come up with something concrete by now, seeing as though there is no reason to protect his source. Still waiting for the big fish as promised.

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

best thing for him. few weeks in adelaide now. few more at xmas and he he’ll be keen as to get back to Melbs

Melbs? WTF. 🤮

37 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Apart from anything else, WITH A FOOT INJURY??!!

Burgess was his caddy though

So if Adelaide come knocking. What are we accepting now that we have McAdam?

10,14, F2?

6,10,F2 to WCE for Pick 1. 
Take Reid with (1), O'Sullivan (11/14)

Trade 11/14 for a  F1 to be used with existing F1 to chase big forward end of next year. 

Just a thought...

With our disposal being so poor into the forwardline, how about using Bowey or Salem as a HFF.   They are boh excellent users / kicks usually.    I also think we really need to look at our wingman's kicking...  I don't want to see Langdon kicking a ball more than 15m high into our fwd line ever again.  

21 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Where's @Nudge. Been awfully quiet. Would have thought his source would have come up with something concrete by now, seeing as though there is no reason to protect his source. Still waiting for the big fish as promised.

Will be claiming he forecasted the ‘Petty playing golf with Adelaide players’ shortly 

7 minutes ago, JJ Haydos said:

Just a thought...

With our disposal being so poor into the forwardline, how about using Bowey or Salem as a HFF.   They are boh excellent users / kicks usually.    I also think we really need to look at our wingman's kicking...  I don't want to see Langdon kicking a ball more than 15m high into our fwd line ever again.  

Worth considering.

Someone suggested getting mcvee on ball, or perhaps as a winger/utility, which i reckon has a lot of merit. With his poise and beautiful foot skills (our best kick this season?) the forwards would love him having that last kick inside 50.

Not really a trade rumours post but I feel it's important to add here when discussing our tactics going into the draft. 

Players out: 

Senior list - Grundy, Hibberd, Dunstan, Jordon, Harmes (r) D.Smith 

We've added McAdam, Fullertan and D.Turner to be upgraded with our last NDP, leaving us with 2 available senior spots for the draft which means we're hoping Brown can be picked up as a Rookie. This is how I see the draft playing out not including Academy and F/S selections:

1. West Coast - Reid

2. N.Melbourne - Curtin (They have no elite key Defenders)

3. N.Melbourne - McKercher (Best available Mid)

4. Hawthorn - Duursma (Lacking Fwd/mid options)

5. Western Bulldogs - Watson (Need a small forward to compliment Weightman)

6. Melbourne - O'Sullivan (May Replacement for an elite Defender in a couple of years)

7. GWS - Sanders (They require more mids after losing Taranto and Hopper and drafted a KPD Leek Aleer last year)

8. Geelong - Caddy ( Rohan replacement who plays Fwd/Mid)

9. Essenden - Best available... maybe Murphy or Wilson 

10. Adelaide - Best available... maybe Will McCabe who need another key defender and is from SA

11. Melbourne - Best available... I think we are right into James Leake who is a great size and strong hands allowing Rivers to push into the midfield next year. 

Let's not forget we have pick 42 which becomes a pick in the low 30's once all Gold Coast picks are used up on the academy players which is a valuable pick. We may look to trade that pick out for a future second next year as we have no need for it based on list spots. 

As a rookie option I'd love Melbourne to go after Sam Van Rooyen just to keep his brother happy in the Red and Blue. And who knows he may be a handy player for us in a couple of years. 

28 minutes ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Not really a trade rumours post but I feel it's important to add here when discussing our tactics going into the draft. 

Players out: 

Senior list - Grundy, Hibberd, Dunstan, Jordon, Harmes (r) D.Smith 

We've added McAdam, Fullertan and D.Turner to be upgraded with our last NDP, leaving us with 2 available senior spots for the draft which means we're hoping Brown can be picked up as a Rookie. This is how I see the draft playing out not including Academy and F/S selections:

1. West Coast - Reid

2. N.Melbourne - Curtin (They have no elite key Defenders)

3. N.Melbourne - McKercher (Best available Mid)

4. Hawthorn - Duursma (Lacking Fwd/mid options)

5. Western Bulldogs - Watson (Need a small forward to compliment Weightman)

6. Melbourne - O'Sullivan (May Replacement for an elite Defender in a couple of years)

7. GWS - Sanders (They require more mids after losing Taranto and Hopper and drafted a KPD Leek Aleer last year)

8. Geelong - Caddy ( Rohan replacement who plays Fwd/Mid)

9. Essenden - Best available... maybe Murphy or Wilson 

10. Adelaide - Best available... maybe Will McCabe who need another key defender and is from SA

11. Melbourne - Best available... I think we are right into James Leake who is a great size and strong hands allowing Rivers to push into the midfield next year. 

Let's not forget we have pick 42 which becomes a pick in the low 30's once all Gold Coast picks are used up on the academy players which is a valuable pick. We may look to trade that pick out for a future second next year as we have no need for it based on list spots. 

As a rookie option I'd love Melbourne to go after Sam Van Rooyen just to keep his brother happy in the Red and Blue. And who knows he may be a handy player for us in a couple of years. 

Watson and O’Sullivan flipped for mine based on needs (surely Dogs can’t risk having another bloke St Kilda players could potentially set alight).

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Not True AND HARSH!

Yeh bit rough.  I also think OD might have you covered Picket

Edited October 17, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

Anyone keen to add Scott Lycett or Sam Hayes for an 'in case of emergency' ruck depth?

7 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Anyone keen to add Scott Lycett or Sam Hayes for an 'in case of emergency' ruck depth?

Sure, but unless we get Reid, I can't see us having enough list spots.

26 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Watson and O’Sullivan flipped for mine based on needs (surely Dogs can’t risk having another bloke St Kilda players could potentially set alight).

Pickett, Chandler, ANB, Spargo, AMW, Laurie... we are well and truly stacked for small forward options. Spargo even requested a trade due to lack of games with Chandler cementing his spot. Melbourne has learnt from the Bedford fiasco that we have to get games into these players to keep them happy. I know this Watson is the so called 'Wizard' but really we have no need for him. O'Sullivan is much more of a crucial addition to our list. May has 2-3 years in him, Tomlinson similar and I can assure you he will get a lot of games next year. We then have Turner and Adams as our young KPD who are good but not elite. If you want to contend beyond 2025 then we need to look at elite talent to hold key position end. 

Petty may be out the door in 1 - 2 years according to many media sources, which is why we can't give up our future first to land Reid this year. We are chasing a gun key forward next year with the cap space we have cleared. So this year we will lock up our Defence with O'Sullivan or Murphy assuming Curtin is taken and then get in a good Mid option to cover our losses but Leake is definitely in our framework. After that we will be chasing a gun key forward in 2024 Ala King or similar to be right in the hunt for a premiership in 2025/26 which realistically I believe we can achieve. It really depends on Petty if we can win a flag next year, which is why Melbourne is so keen to hold onto him. 

9 hours ago, Demonsterative said:

Harley Reid can play midfield. Heard he goes alright too 😀

 

Can't kick with his other Foot.