On 02/10/2023 at 13:03, Greendale said:

Don't know why people think McKay would cost multiple high first rounders. He is paid $1 million per year, but Carlton play just as well when he is missing, with Curnow as the clear #1 man, DeKoning playing forward ruck, and Pittonet as a pure ruck. That million a year of salary could be used to make significant improvements to their team in other positions. When Collingwood got rid of Brodie Grundy, at the time a 28 year old two time all australian, they only received pick 27 and they agreed to pay $1.5 million of salary for him. 

Why did Carlton made the decision to pay 2 million on McKay and Curnow?

I was of the idea that McKay was gettable once Carlton offered the contract extension to Curnow first (last year). I was very surprised McKay immediately signed his extension, not sure if we made the question back then.

  On 02/10/2023 at 16:22, JimmyGadson said:

Overpaying for a key forward like McKay is not what I'd like or expect the club to pursue. 

What I have heard from a couple of people including a family member who works in the media is the Tom Lynch one whisper that won't go away. We're interested. 

And that makes most sense given his age, the transition period that Richmond are in and our window with May and Gawn. 

We wouldn't have to pay overs and we'd still have plenty of picks to work with both to trade or hot the draft. 

 

So, you are proposing Lynch as a "bridge" before anointing JVR as our KPF? That would require Lynch to be good for 3 seasons, is he fit enough for that?

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:14, ElDiablo14 said:

So, you are proposing Lynch as a "bridge" before anointing JVR as our KPF? That would require Lynch to be good for 3 seasons, is he fit enough for that?

Like BBB, we only need him to be good for a season to grab another flag..

  On 02/10/2023 at 20:52, Nudge said:

Hate to say I told you all so.. but nah, I just make Things up — Something was brewing and it looks like it’s about to become public knowledge 

  On 02/10/2023 at 09:48, DeeSpencer said:

When the average player will soon make 500k it’s not that much. 

Im not 100% sold on McKay either but McKay and a rookie is likely a better result than 2 x 500k players if you don’t have a mature key forward. 

Nar $500 k aint much at all, especially when you consider that a heck of a lot of people havent got anywhere near that figure after 30-40 years in the workforce and dont have that much in Superannuation to retire with.Players ARE OVERPAID! Especially ones who miss simple matchwinning shots on goal

I would rate Dees about 100-1 to get Harry Mckay.  Blues will sell the premiership dream and ensure salary cap in order.  
As for Lynch, he’s body is now a problem and I’m not sure he’s got 2+ years left.  Even if interested, Tigers probably asking for a round 1 pick and I’m not buying at that price at all. 

  On 02/10/2023 at 16:22, JimmyGadson said:

Overpaying for a key forward like McKay is not what I'd like or expect the club to pursue. 

What I have heard from a couple of people including a family member who works in the media is the Tom Lynch one whisper that won't go away. We're interested. 

And that makes most sense given his age, the transition period that Richmond are in and our window with May and Gawn. 

We wouldn't have to pay overs and we'd still have plenty of picks to work with both to trade or hot the draft. 

 

Tom Lynch is still in a moon boot. The better option might be neither.

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:14, ElDiablo14 said:

So, you are proposing Lynch as a "bridge" before anointing JVR as our KPF? That would require Lynch to be good for 3 seasons, is he fit enough for that?

I guess we find out, eh? 

JVR will never be our KPF imo. He is a second tall to build around. 

 

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:39, Fat Tony said:

Tom Lynch is still in a moon boot. The better option might be neither.

Might be. Might also be that the club know better than both of us? 

 

Money aside we'd be mad not to get Harry McKay if it can be faciliated.

• attracts the number 1 defender 
• gets up the ground and attracts the footy 
• provides a target & straightens up our entries 
• averages 2 goals and 6 marks per game 
• had a poor goalkicking year in 23 but is more than acceptable across his career

Chol to Hawks?
D’Ambrosio to Hawks?

Doedee to Lions?

Koschitzke to Tigers? 

Stephens to Kangas? 
Fisher to Kangas? 
Grundy to Sydney? 
Jordon to Sydney? 
Gresham to Bombers? 
Goldstein to Bombers? 
Mckay to Bombers? 
Dow to Saints?
Henry to Saints? 
Shiel to Saints? 
Wines to Cats? 
McAdam to Dees?
Brockman to Eagles?
Flynn to Eagles?

E Himmelberg to Giants? 

E Hollands to Blues? 
Sweet to Power? 
Zerk-Thatcher to Power? 
Ratugolea to Power? 

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:01, Kent said:

Tomlinson to the Hawks 

Adam is very unhappy with the dees and his treatment. Fills a need

Source Hawks minor sponsor

I wouldn't blame him at all if so

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:43, JimmyGadson said:

I guess we find out, eh? 

JVR will never be our KPF imo. He is a second tall to build around. 

 

Might be. Might also be that the club know better than both of us? 

 

Of course the club might know more. But Lynch fractured his foot on 8 April 2023 and is still in a moon boot. It is a bit of a red flag considering the cost would be $1m+ in salary cap space and a first round pick.

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:52, Fat Tony said:

Of course the club might know more. But Lynch fractured his foot on 8 April 2023 and is still in a moon boot. It is a bit of a red flag considering the cost would be $1m+ in salary cap space and a first round pick.

And we go SOOOOOO  well with foot injuries.

The single cause of most angst regards lost opportunities of the last decade imo.

A no from me 

Hindsight is 20:20, but Lobb should have been our choice last year instead of Grundy.  A second pure ruck (who we now all know can't play forward) made no sense for us, and a forward ruck made even less sense for the Bulldogs.  I would have backed us to get far more out of Lobb than the Bullgods did, and even there he still had some good games.  I expect its now 12 months too late for him to be a signifacant recruit for us though.

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:01, Kent said:

Tomlinson to the Hawks 

Adam is very unhappy with the dees and his treatment. Fills a need

Source Hawks minor sponsor

Never say never I suppose but a source much closer to him (than a minor sponsor at Hawthorn that is) has said he is happy at Dees and comfortable with the message that he is a required player.  Can’t confirm this has always been the case but that’s how I understand it is at present.

  On 02/10/2023 at 23:00, Vipercrunch said:

Hindsight is 20:20, but Lobb should have been our choice last year instead of Grundy.  A second pure ruck (who we now all know can't play forward) made no sense for us, and a forward ruck made even less sense for the Bulldogs.  I would have backed us to get far more out of Lobb than the Bullgods did, and even there he still had some good games.  I expect its now 12 months too late for him to be a signifacant recruit for us though.

I think the Dogs would pay half of Lobb's contract and offload him for a token pick.

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:01, Kent said:

Tomlinson to the Hawks 

Adam is very unhappy with the dees and his treatment. Fills a need

Source Hawks minor sponsor

Disappointing if true but absolutely understandable. I can emphatically see why he'd want to move. 

In saying that though, what are the chances of the club recanting on their 'required player' position? I imagine it would have to be a somewhat favourable trade, or a trade that could help facilitate other movements the club may wish to be involved in. 

Lobb is a spud, hard no

lynch would work

mcKay if the price is right, the mill a year is fine it’s the draft picks they’ll ask for

  On 02/10/2023 at 22:52, Fat Tony said:

Of course the club might know more. But Lynch fractured his foot on 8 April 2023 and is still in a moon boot. It is a bit of a red flag considering the cost would be $1m+ in salary cap space and a first round pick.

He'll be going into the 6th year of his seven year deal next year which he signed back in 2018.

It's doable. No doubt about it. And we have space. 

Also, what makes you think he's still in a moonboot? I'm pretty sure he's out. 

 

  On 02/10/2023 at 11:15, WERRIDEE said:

I'm all for McKay it will allow Petty to go back.

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, Petty, Bowey

C: Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, McKay, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, McAdam, J.Smith

SUB: Chandler

Our time is now get it done dees

If we land Mckay I'd be playing him at CHF and JVR closer to goal.

Mckay would benefit from longer set shots on goal 35m+ JVR better set shot inside 30m.

25 year of age, ready to go.

Carlscum clearly want to get rid of him otherwise all this talk would have been shut down.

If it can be facilitated get it done.

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

  On 02/10/2023 at 19:00, DubDee said:

Rory Lobb will be 31 by round 1

hes not great but we’d get him for a slab of CC and Dry

No thanks, I’m not over beer

Rory F'ng Lobb? I wouldn't take him as a delisted free agent on minimum wage, let alone on his current salary.

McKay would solve a lot of issues if we could find the salary space.

FWIW, I think both Gawn and May replacements (break the glass options) should be younger players who they can steward into the team. I think the reverse is true for a KPF. Is lynch too much like JVR (a worry if his is still in a boot)? We need a BBB (TMac) replacement big leading forward that frees up the rest of the forward line as threats.  

Its a shame JJ is likely to leave, he will do well at Sydney. 

  On 02/10/2023 at 23:25, JimmyGadson said:

He'll be going into the 6th year of his seven year deal next year which he signed back in 2018.

It's doable. No doubt about it. And we have space. 

Also, what makes you think he's still in a moonboot? I'm pretty sure he's out. 

 

I am an eye witness!

  On 02/10/2023 at 09:00, praha said:

Big challenge for Goodwin and co. This essentially means mini-rebuild. No more gifting games to plodders. Still can't get over McDonald playing in finals, no Woewodin in finals, and JVR being dropped for Brown. Have to start backing in recruitment eventually. Something tells me losing Bedford has hit home hard this finals series and they realise that talent isn't just going to stick around.

Banking on Tomlinson, Woewodin, Turner, Laurie at least to all be common place in the 22 next year. Could be a year out of the 8 but needs to happen.

All the clubs would be trawling lists where players aren't getting opportunities. I certainly hope we are looking in unexpected places for talent.