Uncapped youngster Jacob van Rooyen - unlikely, said Richardson, to debut in round one - is another tall forward option alongside Ben Brown, the latter having completed most of the pre-season.

2 minutes ago, adonski said:

Uncapped youngster Jacob van Rooyen - unlikely, said Richardson, to debut in round one - is another tall forward option alongside Ben Brown, the latter having completed most of the pre-season.

Why unlikely?? Surely if his form in praccie matches is good we pick him.

There's a lot of forward line saviour syndrome around JVR.  I can't see him doing much this year because he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Casey.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Orion

It's a typo. The author thought the name was Jacob Van Rooyen Un Likely, anglicised from the little Flemish village of Rooyen on the river Likalee.

If he does debut round one, can 'unlikely' be his nickname? Van Likely?

29 minutes ago, Orion said:

There's a lot of forward line saviour syndrome around JVR.  I can't see him doing much this year because he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Casey.

He had a good 2nd half to the season, a year older, much fitter and stronger.

When he gets a chance I think he will perform his role well.

I think the only reasons he is unlikely to play round 1 are Brown and Tmac, who are both training well.

Tommy's form pre injury was average at best last year so maybe something will open up.

Brown may be rested at times through the season.

I think the forward line will be invigorated this year not by a saviour but by a number of factors, JVR being one.

 

Agree with Richardson. Round 1 could be risky so better off a little later even if off the bench. I too have grave doubts about Brown and TMAC being in the senior side, especially Brown. Would prefer to see Petty in the forward line.

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Uncapped youngster Jacob van Rooyen - unlikely, said Richardson, to debut in round one - is another tall forward option alongside Ben Brown, the latter having completed most of the pre-season.

Surprising comment. Not so much for its meaning but because I would have expected something more coach-speak and meaningless such as "he's in the mix", "he hasn't missed a session" or "he's done everything we've asked to put himself in the best position".

23 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Agree with Richardson. Round 1 could be risky so better off a little later even if off the bench. I too have grave doubts about Brown and TMAC being in the senior side, especially Brown. Would prefer to see Petty in the forward line.

With BBB and Tom fit and firing and JVR waiting for a debut  and then a resting ruck, Petty won’t be forward.

The most recent Intel from Track watchers is TMac and BBB are training well. I wouldn't be that surprised in JvR is forced to wait, or Chandler for that matter.

A forward line of TMac, BBB, Fritta, Spargo, ANB and Kozzie, with Grundy resting forward and Trac/Viney swapping with Koz is most likely

51 minutes ago, rjay said:

He had a good 2nd half to the season, a year older, much fitter and stronger.

When he gets a chance I think he will perform his role well.

I think the only reasons he is unlikely to play round 1 are Brown and Tmac, who are both training well.

Tommy’s form pre injury was average at best last year so maybe something will open up.

Brown may be rested at times through the season.

I think the forward line will be invigorated this year not by a saviour but by a number of factors, JVR being one.

 

T Macs form was actually very good pre injury rjay. It was pre omission when it wasn’t so flash. He had 4 in the 5 first games then after returning kicked 2,2,4 and 3 in the same game he got injured in. 11 in his last 4 games, I thought he was a huge loss in the second half of season.

I’m also excited by JVR and see what he can bring, but happy to wait. Unlikely doesn’t mean no, still a bit to play out until the Dogs opener.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Dee Zephyr

Some people set the bar too high for JVR. At best he’ll be a Mihocek style hard worker this year rather than any kind of star.

The big challenge for our forward line is the lack of ground level mobility for Brown, McDonald and a resting ruck.

We might sacrifice goals for JVR’s defensive hunt, and it might be earlier in the season than the coaches think.

Richo’s poured cold water over a JVR round 1 debut multiple times over summer so it’s highly likely he’ll start the season at Casey.

They can’t and won’t play all of BBB, T Mac, Gawn, Grundy and JVR - at the risk of conceding a record amount of defensive rebounds from the opposition’s defence.

 

How the Demons hope to bounce back? No no no no

DO something…………DO, don’t think………..don’t hope, DO

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Demon Disciple

Jeez don’t really rate this from Richo, you’d hope JVR’s been told he’s ‘unlikely’ to play round 1 from the club before he opens up the paper this morning or gets sent the article. You’d feel pretty flat, especially from a kid who’s busted his [censored] all summer, no one should be told they’re not going to be playing round 1 a month out from the season? Richo could’ve just said ‘we’ll see how that pans out’ or made up some other line instead of putting cold water on it.

15 minutes ago, Lewis said:

Jeez don’t really rate this from Richo, you’d hope JVR’s been told he’s ‘unlikely’ to play round 1 from the club before he opens up the paper this morning or gets sent the article. You’d feel pretty flat, especially from a kid who’s busted his [censored] all summer, no one should be told they’re not going to be playing round 1 a month out from the season? Richo could’ve just said ‘we’ll see how that pans out’ or made up some other line instead of putting cold water on it.

He will be well aware of where he stands...

59 minutes ago, Lewis said:

Jeez don’t really rate this from Richo, you’d hope JVR’s been told he’s ‘unlikely’ to play round 1 from the club before he opens up the paper this morning or gets sent the article. You’d feel pretty flat, especially from a kid who’s busted his [censored] all summer, no one should be told they’re not going to be playing round 1 a month out from the season? Richo could’ve just said ‘we’ll see how that pans out’ or made up some other line instead of putting cold water on it.

Why should Richardson lie to the kid? He’s up against two proven Premiership players in TMac and Brown. If they are fit and in form - JVR will struggle to get in the 22.

Grundy, Gawn, Brown, TMac, and Fritsch - that’s a number of players to fit in the near side pocket for the Demon Bomb of Nothingness…

Good that they see the second half fades. 

Why do we give the opposition the momentum, how did they break us, and why couldn't we answer their goals and stop the run on?

Momentum change happened because we drank our bathwater before the job was done.

They broke us by, switching, moving quickly through a corridor and finding a loose player in their 50 area.

We would panic and try and do too much as individuals. 

We need to be able to play tempo footy and score with slow down footy.

Play a defensive game, where we stop the opposition scoring.

Play with some creativity, unstructured, and surprising ways, that aren't predictable. 

Fight and toughen up earlier on, when the momentum is first shifting against us.

Never let the other team score two goals in a row. Fight, be tough, compete for everything, ruthlessness,

No congratulations till the 4 points are sealed. Encourage, support each other but keep that half time joy to a minimum. 

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by kev martin

21 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Good that they see the second half fades. 

Why do we give the opposition the momentum, how did they break us, and why couldn't we answer their goals and stop the run on?

Momentum change happened because we drank our bathwater before the job was done.

They broke us by, switching, moving quickly through a corridor and finding a loose player in their 50 area.

We would panic and try and do too much as individuals. 

We need to be able to play tempo footy and score with slow down footy.

Play a defensive game, where we stop the scoring.

Play with some creativity, unstructured, and surprising ways, that aren't predictable. 

Fight and toughen up earlier on, when the momentum is first shifting against us.

Never let the other team score two goals in a row. Fight, be tough, compete for everything, ruthlessness,

No congratulations till the 4 points are sealed. Encourage, support each other but keep that half time joy to a minimum. 

Kev, Richo had a valid point when he suggested we started the game with a winning mindset and often established a decent lead. But after halftime we went into our shells and attempted to save the game resulting in being dumped by the opposition's momentum wave by the final siren. If we can ride the wave this season with a whole game winning belief as exhibited in '21 we can bounce back decisively.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Tarax Club

3 hours ago, rjay said:

He had a good 2nd half to the season, a year older, much fitter and stronger.

Yeah good at VFL level.   That's my concern.  I'm not sure it's good enough to hold his place at AFL level this year.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by Orion

Like all youngsters they have to be eased into the team I remember Sparrow and Jordon literally had to knock the door down to get a run. JVR is ready to play so I am expecting big things this year whether at Casey or Dees, an opportunity will arise.!!

2 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Like all youngsters they have to be eased into the team I remember Sparrow and Jordon literally had to knock the door down to get a run. JVR is ready to play so I am expecting big things this year whether at Casey or Dees, an opportunity will arise.!!

sparrow played in the first game of his first year

Yes but he got omitted a number of times.!!

1 hour ago, Tarax Club said:

If we can ride the wave this season with a whole game winning belief as exhibited in '21 we can bounce back decisively.

I would love to know what their approach to developing this is.

Some of it has to be toughen them up and increase their intensity for the 4 quarters, so as to create that whole game winning belief. 

There must be more to controlling the momentum, especially as the opposition study us and develop their own strategies for handling our midfield power.

I really want us to get ruthless, don't give them a chance.

I think Richo isn’t letting the truth get in the way of a good yarn here:

 

“So, what was that? Is it fitness? Is it mindset? Is it opposition? Or all of the above? Although [it was] not fitness. We are still running really hard. There were a few competition-wide markers that were strong proof that we were still a hard-running team. It was a bit more about attitude and opposition. Teams were taking things away from us.”

in 2021 we would steamroll teams in the second half, 2022 we were running up hill in the second half, sounds like we were a bit banged up also. You could see it live and on T.V., we had no run or dare.

were we fit? Probably yes, were we premiership fit? Clearly not.

Edited February 19, 20232 yr by BrisbaneDemon