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1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Agree with most of your post here Deanox and particularly this last bit.

During the Dogs game first round this year, their supporters started booing Lauchie Hunter - to which I yelled back "You didn't want him you idiots" .  On cue, nuffy MFC supporters boo Sauce Baker when he got a possession soon after 🤦‍♂️.

I personally think players that leave for big money or to play at a more immediately successful club such as Tom $cully, Jerremy Howe, James Frawley etc deserve to be booed by supporters of their former clubs.  There's an old notion of disloyalty, greed, selfishness about that, which shouldn't go unrewarded and unrecognised.  However personally I'm a bit more neutral towards players that have given good service and/or just genuinely want to return to their home state like Jeff Farmer, Jessie Hogan, Scott Thomson and Jacko.

I think you're a bit tough on James Frawley. Played 8 seasons and 139 games for Melbourne and did not get to play a final. He was a great contributor for Melbourne in what were almost universally poor sides. He deserved the opportunity to have success at Hawthorn and I was happy for him that that happened in 2015. I feel the same about Jared Rivers although at least Melbourne were a good side in his early years. Personally I can't understand either all the anamosity towards Jeremy Howe. And players aren't supposed to go to successful clubs. Why not? Would you also also criticise Stan Alves & Greg Wells for leaving the Club?

I get annoyed with this whole disloyalty argument. These guys are professionals who are playing for a limited period of time and their first loyalty should be to their nearest and dearest. We are fans which is an entirely different thing. Supporters are naive if they think players have the same irrational attachment to a Club as we do. 

If people want to boo, I guess they will. Not much point calling for rational mature behaviour because there's always going to be a significant part of any crowd that isn't going to be nicely-behaved, regardless of appeals to their (probably non-existent) better natures.

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With Freo I only see 3 clubs that I think are worse than them and that's Hawthorn, North and West Coast. Pick 4 will just do nicely.

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6 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Personally I can't understand either all the anamosity towards Jeremy Howe. And players aren't supposed to go to successful clubs. Why not? Would you also also criticise Stan Alves & Greg Wells for leaving the Club?

It's because he raised the middle finger on the way out and took some sly digs at the mighty MFC.

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6 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I think you're a bit tough on James Frawley. Played 8 seasons and 139 games for Melbourne and did not get to play a final. He was a great contributor for Melbourne in what were almost universally poor sides. He deserved the opportunity to have success at Hawthorn and I was happy for him that that happened in 2015. I feel the same about Jared Rivers although at least Melbourne were a good side in his early years. Personally I can't understand either all the anamosity towards Jeremy Howe. And players aren't supposed to go to successful clubs. Why not? Would you also also criticise Stan Alves & Greg Wells for leaving the Club?

I get annoyed with this whole disloyalty argument. These guys are professionals who are playing for a limited period of time and their first loyalty should be to their nearest and dearest. We are fans which is an entirely different thing. Supporters are naive if they think players have the same irrational attachment to a Club as we do. 

If people want to boo, I guess they will. Not much point calling for rational mature behaviour because there's always going to be a significant part of any crowd that isn't going to be nicely-behaved, regardless of appeals to their (probably non-existent) better natures.

He doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this after our last game with the Pies..

 

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9 hours ago, adonski said:

Fierce debate over which draft prospect they like better @ pick 50

Freo also have North's second round AFL compensaltion pick which (I think) comes after North's natural second round pick which is held by Adelaide.

Currently Freo's pick is #23

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23 minutes ago, layzie said:

He doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this after our last game with the Pies..

 

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imagine getting fired up about All duck and no dinner

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50 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Freo also have North's second round AFL compensaltion pick which (I think) comes after North's natural second round pick which is held by Adelaide.

Currently Freo's pick is #23

Correct and the corresponding North 3rd round compensation pick around #42.

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18 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Yes

Embarressing… 

Bruzzy the main instigator. May this forever remain his greatest highlight 

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8 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I think you're a bit tough on James Frawley. Played 8 seasons and 139 games for Melbourne and did not get to play a final. He was a great contributor for Melbourne in what were almost universally poor sides. He deserved the opportunity to have success at Hawthorn and I was happy for him that that happened in 2015. I feel the same about Jared Rivers although at least Melbourne were a good side in his early years. Personally I can't understand either all the anamosity towards Jeremy Howe. And players aren't supposed to go to successful clubs. Why not? Would you also also criticise Stan Alves & Greg Wells for leaving the Club?

I get annoyed with this whole disloyalty argument. These guys are professionals who are playing for a limited period of time and their first loyalty should be to their nearest and dearest. We are fans which is an entirely different thing. Supporters are naive if they think players have the same irrational attachment to a Club as we do. 

If people want to boo, I guess they will. Not much point calling for rational mature behaviour because there's always going to be a significant part of any crowd that isn't going to be nicely-behaved, regardless of appeals to their (probably non-existent) better natures.

I think with most sports people tend to leave their better natures outside the door. Granted not everyone do to the same extreme level as some ferals but, we do change if only slightly.

There's a tribalism involved with team sports.

 

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35 minutes ago, old55 said:

Bruzzy the main instigator. May this forever remain his greatest highlight 

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I'm sure he's 'blocked' it from his memory :laugh: All the Pies fans claiming a free, didn't realise it was their hero Pendlebury who was to blame for letting Sheed run off him and get the easy 2 on 1.

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30 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I think with most sports people tend to leave their better natures outside the door. Granted not everyone do to the same extreme level as some ferals but, we do change if only slightly.

There's a tribalism involved with team sports.

 

I don't begrudge Frawley or Howe for leaving anymore. They may have set our defence back a few years, but their absence ultimately shone a massive light on how permeable our defence was, and led us to prioritise the recruitment of May and Lever, and also shift to the strategy to keep teams to 60 points, rather than the all-out-attack strategy, which could beat lowly teams by 50-100 points back in 2018, but failed against better teams. 

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9 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

I'm sure he's 'blocked' it from his memory :laugh: All the Pies fans claiming a free, didn't realise it was their hero Pendlebury who was to blame for letting Sheed run off him and get the easy 2 on 1.

Take the hysteria from a controversial moment involving the Pies, cut it in half and you get the more realistic picture. It's ridiculous how overblown these things get ala Papley's push on Moore in the prelim last year. 

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40 minutes ago, old55 said:

Bruzzy the main instigator. May this forever remain his greatest highlight 

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That's definitely the most memorable part of that meatheads career. He's one of those faux tough guys that starts fights against unsuspecting opponents who are vulnerable etc. He's a slug.

I don't boo our ex players like Frawley and Rivers. They left in the late stages of their career to try and find some success before their career was over. Can't begrudge that and I'd have done the same in their shoes.

I did boo Scully though. That was purely based on him lying to Stynes on his death bed etc. That rubbed me the wrong way.

Anyhow back on Freo, it's looking like we'll wind up with pick 6ish IMO. Jefferson, pick 6ish and 24ish for Jackson is a win for us IMO. 

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16 hours ago, Pipefitter said:

I’ll never boo a player as I am a grown adult, not an 8 year old. 
 

On Jacko, you can’t help but think the pressure to Perform will be stunting his development. I reckon he’d be flying with us this year.

 

Cone on @Pipefitter. You're on Demonland. You can't pull the wool over our eyes Mate.

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On 4/22/2023 at 12:46 PM, Jaded No More said:

Brother or not, Andrew Brayshaw is an excellent player. I’d be very happy to welcome him into our midfield. Good age profile too. 
Same goes for Sarong. 
Just have a feeling that the trading relationship between Freo and Melbourne isn’t a good one. So doubt it’ll happen. 

(Catching up with things; great reading, everyone. Thanks!... Anyhoo...)

Surprised you missed this one, @Demonstone 😁...

Getting Sarong: It's a wrap?

(I know the drill: Myself. Door.)

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6 hours ago, layzie said:

He doesn't do himself any favours with comments like this after our last game with the Pies..

 

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I stand corrected. I remember now. There was no negativity towards Jeremy Howe from Melbourne supporters before 5/8/22. Just 6.5 years of niceness 😀. Actually we should forgive Howe for purely selfish reasons. He played 100 games for Melbourne if my maths is correct and his son could qualify under current Father/Son rules for either Melbourne or Collingwood.

4 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I think with most sports people tend to leave their better natures outside the door. Granted not everyone do to the same extreme level as some ferals but, we do change if only slightly.

There's a tribalism involved with team sports.

 

Fair point. I like to think I'm a reasonably civilised person but I'm definitely not at my best at a Melbourne game. It's laughable. Every game I tell myself that I'm going to behave as I arrive at the MCG and that usually stands till the first arguable umpring decision.

4 hours ago, John Demonic said:

I don't begrudge Frawley or Howe for leaving anymore. They may have set our defence back a few years, but their absence ultimately shone a massive light on how permeable our defence was, and led us to prioritise the recruitment of May and Lever, and also shift to the strategy to keep teams to 60 points, rather than the all-out-attack strategy, which could beat lowly teams by 50-100 points back in 2018, but failed against better teams. 

Wasn't Howe essentially playing half-forward flank for us? Certainly a much-improved player once he went to Collingwood. Frawley was 26 when he left at the end of 2014 and he might have made the difference between us making the Finals or not in 2017.

I think you're re-writing history re 2018. Everyone seems to downplay Melbourne's performances due to the horrific Prelim exit. One bad game and that unfortunately was the final one. A bit like last year. A 14-8 record in 2018, and should have been 16-6 or 17-5, percentage of 130%+. Lost 2 Geelong games by under a kick that we shouldn't have. Lost to St Kilda (16th at the time) by 2 points. Our smallest winning margin was 13 points... Basically, we should have finished 2nd, not 5th, and then who knows what could have happened?

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2 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I stand corrected. I remember now. There was no negativity towards Jeremy Howe from Melbourne supporters before 5/8/22. Just 6.5 years of niceness 😀. Actually we should forgive Howe for purely selfish reasons. He played 100 games for Melbourne if my maths is correct and his son could qualify under current Father/Son rules for either Melbourne or Collingwood.

Fair point. I like to think I'm a reasonably civilised person but I'm definitely not at my best at a Melbourne game. It's laughable. Every game I tell myself that I'm going to behave as I arrive at the MCG and that usually stands till the first arguable umpring decision.

Wasn't Howe essentially playing half-forward flank for us? Certainly a much-improved player once he went to Collingwood. Frawley was 26 when he left at the end of 2014 and he might have made the difference between us making the Finals or not in 2017.

I think you're re-writing history re 2018. Everyone seems to downplay Melbourne's performances due to the horrific Prelim exit. One bad game and that unfortunately was the final one. A bit like last year. A 14-8 record in 2018, and should have been 16-6 or 17-5, percentage of 130%+. Lost 2 Geelong games by under a kick that we shouldn't have. Lost to St Kilda (16th at the time) by 2 points. Our smallest winning margin was 13 points... Basically, we should have finished 2nd, not 5th, and then who knows what could have happened?

I am also very different during a MFC game. I feel very sorry for my missus who has to cope with most of that behaviour. 😅

I have improved but it's still hard for me to control the passion.

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46 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I stand corrected. I remember now. There was no negativity towards Jeremy Howe from Melbourne supporters before 5/8/22. Just 6.5 years of niceness 😀. Actually we should forgive Howe for purely selfish reasons. He played 100 games for Melbourne if my maths is correct and his son could qualify under current Father/Son rules for either Melbourne or Collingwood.

Fair point. I like to think I'm a reasonably civilised person but I'm definitely not at my best at a Melbourne game. It's laughable. Every game I tell myself that I'm going to behave as I arrive at the MCG and that usually stands till the first arguable umpring decision.

Wasn't Howe essentially playing half-forward flank for us? Certainly a much-improved player once he went to Collingwood. Frawley was 26 when he left at the end of 2014 and he might have made the difference between us making the Finals or not in 2017.

I think you're re-writing history re 2018. Everyone seems to downplay Melbourne's performances due to the horrific Prelim exit. One bad game and that unfortunately was the final one. A bit like last year. A 14-8 record in 2018, and should have been 16-6 or 17-5, percentage of 130%+. Lost 2 Geelong games by under a kick that we shouldn't have. Lost to St Kilda (16th at the time) by 2 points. Our smallest winning margin was 13 points... Basically, we should have finished 2nd, not 5th, and then who knows what could have happened?

Dont be play that game. We were a missed kick after the siren away from a QF in Adelaide against Port. And then who knows what could have happened?

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