55 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

4 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Unless Jackson can start taking 1.5 contested clunks a game

He seems to have mastered the half mark.

he takes 3 half marks per game

4 hours ago, Sydee said:

Needs to revisit that third quarter of the GF if you ask me - more about Trac, Clarry and Viney than Luke.

Not saying he isn't a real talent as I believe he is - BUT it was our midfielders that did the damage in the GF.

Agreed + guys like Gus and Gawny, who stood up when it counted in the first half of the third quarter and stopped the dogs ascendancy from becoming an avalanche.

Fritta held his nerve so well under pressure and got us back in the game when we were peering over the precipice.

The difference and mismatch Jackson created threw the dogs midfield off their structures and Jackson's ability to keep moving from the ruck contest and involve himself in those chains was pretty slick, but Clarry, Viney and in particular Trac were absolute beasts in that third quarter. 

That dribble goal of Trac's that set the bang bang bang in motion was amazing and his bursts from the centre square on several occations setup so many of those goals.  There's a very good reason he won the Norm Smith.

Edited March 28, 20232 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

16 minutes ago, BDA said:

he takes 3 half marks per game

Not enough spekie bag defenders to launch off on game day!

😂

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Can't stop thinking that the best scenario for all parties involved was for Jackson to help the club to trade with WC.

That would've given us a top pick, he would go home, no pressure like in Freo and he could develop his footy in the next 2 or 3 years, knowing WC is not in a rush to win it all.

Not to mention learning ruck under a player that's similar to him in Nick Nat.

The derby this weekend is gonna be interesting 

Will WCE fans boo Jackson? They boo just about everything else… 

It looks like Freo will be out in the market looking for a KPF at the end of the season. Do they even have any assets/capital to trade for a decent full forward??? 🤔🤔

What if they target Naughton ? What would the WB demand?

1 hour ago, BDA said:

he takes 3 half marks per game

Collingwood supporters wouldn’t get that joke

I know it's not a trading thread, but this would make me AOK with Jackson's departure:

Freo's 2023 1st (maybe pick 8), our 2023 1st (15-18) and our 2024 1st (15-18) to Hawthorn for 2023 pick 1.

Harley Reid would look great in red n blue

Leaves us with two x 2nd rounders this year

Edited March 28, 20232 yr by Stiff Arm

29 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

It looks like Freo will be out in the market looking for a KPF at the end of the season. Do they even have any assets/capital to trade for a decent full forward??? 🤔🤔

What if they target Naughton ? What would the WB demand?

georgiades

he doesn't chase defensively, he doesn't mark on the lead, he takes speccies and kicks the occasional goal

the pear get the death ride in 2024!

58 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The derby this weekend is gonna be interesting 

Will WCE fans boo Jackson? They boo just about everything else… 

Oh contraire. They will cheer

if he’s near it… probably means West coast get the footy 

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

😂

He's right you know.

2 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I know it's not a trading thread, but this would make me AOK with Jackson's departure:

Freo's 2023 1st (maybe pick 8), our 2023 1st (15-18) and our 2024 1st (15-18) to Hawthorn for 2023 pick 1.

Harley Reid would look great in red n blue

Leaves us with two x 2nd rounders this year

From all reports this guy will go at pick 1 and they'd be crazy to do it, so its pretty unlikely. I think clubs like North or West coast might be more ready to bite on deepening their list and speeding up their list rebuild, with three first rounders at the expense of a pick 2-5 - if they don't think there is much of a chasm between 2 and 8.

The only way we do it, is if we would have a gun earmarked in that 2-5 range who we do think is a massive step up from the player at pick 8, and they don't. And you'd back us in there, given we have the runs on the board.

It would be hard for us to part with a future 1st as well unless the kid is a very big step up from 8. Pick 8 + 15-18 + 2nd round pick/s I would hope would be our highest bid. Winning the flag this year, I'd want to protect next years first, given how hard it is to go back to back, and given our list demographic.

Edited March 28, 20232 yr by John Demonic

As much as I'm on this ‘death ride’ with the rest of ya’s, it’s sorta morphed into a Jackson bashing session. 
Remember it’s about where Freo finish this season. 
Jackson might be dealing personal guilt and anxiety and when your heads a mess your footy’s generally the same. 
 

Just a reminder. 🔴🔵

Let's keep it to Freo bashing. 

11 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I know it's not a trading thread, but this would make me AOK with Jackson's departure:

Freo's 2023 1st (maybe pick 8), our 2023 1st (15-18) and our 2024 1st (15-18) to Hawthorn for 2023 pick 1.

Harley Reid would look great in red n blue

Leaves us with two x 2nd rounders this year

 

While this Reid kid sounds like a gun, it's not the first time a player has been considered a generational talent who will go pick 1 that would be worth selling the house for.  In hindsight, if you have a good system (development, culture etc), it seems like 3 picks in the top 25 would be a more reliable bet - you could end up with the best player in the draft still and you may end up with 2-3 top 10 players in your team.

E.g. here's a list of recent no.1 picks - there's hardly any that would now be considered the best of their draft.

 

2006	Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL
2007	Matthew Kreuzer	Carlton	Northern Knights	TAC Cup
2008	Jack Watts	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2009	Tom Scully	Melbourne	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2010	David Swallow	Gold Coast	East Fremantle Football Club	WAFL
2011	Jonathon Patton	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2012	Lachie Whitfield	Greater Western Sydney	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2013	Tom Boyd	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2014	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2015	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2016	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2017	Cameron Rayner	Brisbane Lions	Western Jets	TAC Cup
2018	Sam Walsh	Carlton	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2019	Matthew Rowell	Gold Coast	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2020	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	Western Bulldogs	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2021	Jason Horne-Francis	North Melbourne	South Adelaide	SANFL

 

 

9 minutes ago, layzie said:

Let's keep it to Freo bashing. 

Too early?

7 hours ago, McQueen said:

As much as I'm on this ‘death ride’ with the rest of ya’s, it’s sorta morphed into a Jackson bashing session. 
Remember it’s about where Freo finish this season. 
Jackson might be dealing personal guilt and anxiety and when your heads a mess your footy’s generally the same. 
 

Just a reminder. 🔴🔵

Well said McQueen.

I doubt many here have ever been in a position where astronomical amounts of cash was offered for you to return home and do exactly what you want.

I have nothing against what Jackson decided and won't even boo him when we play them.  He'll still always have a special place in my memory for his efforts in 2021.

I also have no doubts he would have been feeling incredible amounts of anxiety around his team mates last year which would have effected his performance and still would be impacting it now which isn't fair for a kid still finding his feet at this level.  

Do I feel sorry for him however?  Goodness no.  He still made the decision.  This is always the risk players take in signing huge contracts before they're really earnt. 

His manager and Freo are the ones that need a good kick up the backside for filling his head with [censored].

 

40 minutes ago, layzie said:

Let's keep it to Freo bashing. 

Agree, Go West Coast (this weekend only)

33 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

 

While this Reid kid sounds like a gun, it's not the first time a player has been considered a generational talent who will go pick 1 that would be worth selling the house for.  In hindsight, if you have a good system (development, culture etc), it seems like 3 picks in the top 25 would be a more reliable bet - you could end up with the best player in the draft still and you may end up with 2-3 top 10 players in your team.

E.g. here's a list of recent no.1 picks - there's hardly any that would now be considered the best of their draft.

 

2006	Bryce Gibbs	Carlton	Glenelg	SANFL
2007	Matthew Kreuzer	Carlton	Northern Knights	TAC Cup
2008	Jack Watts	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2009	Tom Scully	Melbourne	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2010	David Swallow	Gold Coast	East Fremantle Football Club	WAFL
2011	Jonathon Patton	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2012	Lachie Whitfield	Greater Western Sydney	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2013	Tom Boyd	Greater Western Sydney	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
2014	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2015	Jacob Weitering	Carlton	Dandenong Stingrays	TAC Cup
2016	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup
2017	Cameron Rayner	Brisbane Lions	Western Jets	TAC Cup
2018	Sam Walsh	Carlton	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
2019	Matthew Rowell	Gold Coast	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2020	Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	Western Bulldogs	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League
2021	Jason Horne-Francis	North Melbourne	South Adelaide	SANFL

 

 

100%.  If Hawthorn end up with pick 1 and another team offer them a pick 2-5, another 6-10 and another 11-18, they would be mad not to take it.

1 hour ago, Vipercrunch said:

100%.  If Hawthorn end up with pick 1 and another team offer them a pick 2-5, another 6-10 and another 11-18, they would be mad not to take it.

Yes, this magical team with ND3, ND6, and ND12...

16 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Yes, this magical team with ND3, ND6, and ND12...

4 Teams already have 2 1st Round Picks.  Is it inconceivable they could trade for players and/or future picks to land a 3rd?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/891585/three-first-rounders-for-one-u18-star-hunt-for-harley-heats-up

Edited March 29, 20232 yr by Vipercrunch

2 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

it seems like 3 picks in the top 25 would be a more reliable bet

Fingers crossed Hawthorn turn their 3 picks into Gysberts, Morton and Blease types. Heck, throw in a 4th and hope they get a Strauss in there too.  That would bring me a lot of happiness. 

1 hour ago, Vipercrunch said:

4 Teams already have 2 1st Round Picks.  Is it inconceivable they could trade for players and/or future picks to land a 3rd?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/891585/three-first-rounders-for-one-u18-star-hunt-for-harley-heats-up

In fairness while Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge are more reliable AFL "journalists" than many they are still AFL journalists which are trying to make stories out of nothing because the extra clicks is what pays the bills.  It's pure speculation when the guy still has a year to play and anything could happen.

Question is would we / should we put on the table Our two 1st 2023 rounders plus our F1 for pick 1 to take Reid? 

I’m  not sure what type of player he is but is he perhaps the star we’ll need for life after Trac and Oliver? Or should we chase a KPD for life after May? 

Hard choices.