4 hours ago, old dee said:

Ok! He is bog average in most matches at Casey. He just doesn't have it. Reminds me of The Weid. He just doesnt show any intent . Runs around achieving very little. Our future is elsewhere. As Jack would say stand still son the ball will eventually hit you.

His 2024 year in a bog ordinary Casey team was good. He kicked many bags of goals.

What is bog ordinary is the way you have a go at him at every chance.

Lighten up and don’t blame a kid for playing AFL even if he isnt up to the grade.

21 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

JVR; well the jury is still out on that one to a degree.

jvr is fine in my view, he is just out of form massively and lacking confidence, also some of his forward craft is quite strange. its also not helping how petty and turner are constantly swapping between def and the fwd line, we just need to make a decision and stick with it, either is fine they have been by far the best bigs outside of tmac this year either side of the ball. i see the future being turner and petty replacing may and lever/tmac and having adams as the medium size tall. we now just need a ruck, small forward and a secondary tall fwd and we are in a really good shape for the future

I'm not giving up on Matty J, not by a long shot, but it's clear like with many of our other key forwards choices over the last decade (Watts, Weideman, Schache, Fullerton), he lacks aggression and the want and desire to crash packs.

I think his strength is similar to Fritsch's ('21-'23 Fritsch that is) in that he can find separation from his opponent and lead into space. This of course goes against our nonsensical game plan of 'bombing it long' and praying that someone can take a strong contested mark.

Sadly, it seems like aggression is one of those traits that you can't really teach...

1 minute ago, Demon Jack said:

I'm not giving up on Matty J, not by a long shot, but it's clear like with many of our other key forwards choices over the last decade (Watts, Weideman, Schache, Fullerton), he lacks aggression and the want and desire to crash packs.

I think his strength is similar to Fritsch's ('21-'23 Fritsch that is) in that he can find separation from his opponent and lead into space. This of course goes against our nonsensical game plan of 'bombing it long' and praying that someone can take a strong contested mark.

Sadly, it seems like aggression is one of those traits that you can't really teach...

We rarely like bombing it long anymore, although yesterday we fell into the trap a few times.

But Jeffo's shot at goal was from a perfect right footed pass from Chin, where Jeffo then proceeded to miss the entire goal face.

It summed up the day. We had enough genuine regulation shots at goal to kick a winning score, but stuffed it.

6 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

The 2022 draft for the whole competition is not going to be remembered as a vintage crop.

There wasn’t any notable forwards picked up after Jefferson in that draft

7 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

Sadly, it seems like aggression is one of those traits that you can't really teach

But surely watching a player closely as a junior one can sense aggression - these are very experience recruiters, and amongst the best, and should have a sense of timidity vs assertiveness. Blind Freddie could have seen that at least on AFL applied form in Shachse and probably Fullarton.

7 hours ago, Adam The God said:

We rarely like bombing it long anymore, although yesterday we fell into the trap a few times.

But Jeffo's shot at goal was from a perfect right footed pass from Chin, where Jeffo then proceeded to miss the entire goal face.

It summed up the day. We had enough genuine regulation shots at goal to kick a winning score, but stuffed it.

Missing that goal wasn't a hanging offence considering the absolute monty's we butchered for 3 quarters. It's clear to everybody what Jefferson's achilles heel is. So it comes down to either moving on or fashioning a role for him if you believe his other attributes are good enough. Once the season is officially cactus why not play JVR and him as tall forwards and get him to play to his strengths which apparently are marking on the lead. If we can create some more space in our F50 which I believe is part of our current plan just maybe we can build his confidence into becoming a useful forward. Playing him for one game here and there is unlikely to work with this kid. I look at a kid who doesn't think he belongs and he plays like that. It's up to the club to make him believe he does belong and get him to play accordingly. I'd be telling him to crash a few packs and get your hands on the ball whether you mark it or not. Don't care if you give away a few frees, just find some body. Anyway he's likely a bust but for me it looks way more between the ears than anywhere else. Even his posture says "Don't hurt me" Someone needs to shake that out of him and also lie him over a bolster 2 hours a day, get that chest to puff out, draw those shoulder blades down his back, the kid looks tense. Relax Jeffo!!

I simply don't see the upside with Jefferson as an AFL player. He could be a great player if he could find the time and space that is simply not available at this level.

But I don't see him ever developing the size, strength and aggression that he is going to need to make it.

16 minutes ago, poita said:

I simply don't see the upside with Jefferson as an AFL player. He could be a great player if he could find the time and space that is simply not available at this level.

But I don't see him ever developing the size, strength and aggression that he is going to need to make it.

There is the answer and Jonathon Brown had thoughts on it earlier in the year. Separation patterns can be learned.

On 11/05/2025 at 10:31, dazzledavey36 said:

I think i was one of a few who were completely gobsmacked by this selection at the time. To me this simply wasn't a standard JT style pick.

He lacked the complete physical and intensity aspect of what you need as a key forward. You can get away with it at school footy level which he did, but it simply doesn't translate to AFL level.

I know we needed a key forward at the time but I had preferred we just went best available instead of reaching for Jefferson who was very underwhelming for my liking. He has zero physical presence, no intensity, no defensive efforts and has the urgency of a snail.

In saying that I was also a staunch supporter of Jefferson at VFL level and have even been strong on my argument that he just needed time over the lasy couple of years. This year I was hoping for a huge jump in his development but I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise

Look at Logan Morris last year in his first year last year. Played all of last year as a 18 year old and kicked 24 goals in his debut year. He plays with intensity and urgency. Same as Nate Caddy.

Jefferson is in his 3rd year in the system and he looks no where near it.

Unfortunately I think JT has butchered this pick.

Didn't JT try everything to trade this pick upwards but nobody was biting? That's my memory of it. Pretty clear why too. Super weak draft aside from 5 guys at the pointy end. Even Clark at Geelong, touted as the next Selwood, looks like he may not make it. Tsatas and Phillipou were top 10 picks too and they are on shaky ground. Busslinger at pick 13 has only just debuted for the Dogs.

As far as talls go, Gruzewski was a few picks after Jeffo and looks ok, but can't get a game at GWS. Presume he'll be traded. Otherwise Weddle at 18 is the only star player after Jefferson, Darcy Jones is a really good role player in the ANB mould, and then you have Joe Richards way later on was an okay mature ager. Michalaney was F/S so is excluded.