On 05/09/2022 at 04:35, Axis of Bob said:

Imagine Hawthorn supporters' disgust at drafting Buddy from WA (pick 5), then leaving Hawthorn in the middle of his career for an interstate team .... when they could have had John Meesen (pick 8) for his entire career!

At least you would have been happy that we had a whole career of Jack Watts, rather than that West Australian Nic Naitanui.

What a terrible, terrible post.

Comparing John Meesen to Hayden Young is not on. Silly comparison indeed. And if we had chosen Nic Nat he would be back in WA and we wouldn't have our champion Max Gawn. He would have been forced elsewhere. Maybe not such a terrible post after all.

Jackson will be the best ruck of the next decade. Shame he’s going, but he won us a flag.

Young would’ve been a massive investment in to a backline that already had May, Salem and Lever. Rivers with a second rounder was much better value to add to the backline.

Young has a nice boot and is a good size but he’s not that special.

Can't be too special DS. Didn't he recently sign a 5 year contract?

This takes the award for the most bizarre thread of 2022.

FWIW - here's the truth. We'll know in 15 years who got it right. 

Edited September 5, 20222 yr by Queanbeyan Demon

  On 05/09/2022 at 04:12, Little Goffy said:

Bobby Mckenzie contributing his impression of a Russian propagandist.

Bit hard on the Russkis there LG. 

Young looks a star. Big unit, amazing mark, and terrific kick. Be interesting to see if he moves to the midfield or wing

but no one could possibly question the recruitment of LJ. Especially with 2 other WA boys in the same draft 

If only we had the power to see into the future. We would never get a pick wrong. 

  On 05/09/2022 at 04:12, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I'm in full agreement.

Hayden Young is going to be an absolute champion of the game. An absolute champion. His composure in his first final as a 20/21 year old was first class. Imagine the highs this kid is going to reach in his prime years of 23-28. Not to mention he's had a fabulous third season of football. 

We weren't the only club to overlook him but hindsight will say we made the wrong call for a multitude of reasons. 

Young is currently a better player than Jackson, and will also end up being the better player.

Jackson's had a mostly woeful season and probably won't feature in the top 15 of the best and fairest.

 

Although I think Young is a good player but saying he is going to be a champion and we made the wrong call is ridiculous.  Jackson upside is far and above Young’s and Jackson has also shown more than Young over his first 3 years. 

  On 05/09/2022 at 09:03, Demons11 said:

Although I think Young is a good player but saying he is going to be a champion and we made the wrong call is ridiculous.  Jackson upside is far and above Young’s and Jackson has also shown more than Young over his first 3 years. 

Young’s first 2 years were injury riddled but in year 3 he’s had a full season under his belt and it’s been comprehensively better than Jackson’s.

I’m entitled to my opinion and I think Young will be a better player than Jackson.

Cant believe this is even a thread

You never know....Melbourne may end up with Hayden Young in a trade deal with Fremantle for Luke Jackson?

I am still hanging on to a glimmer of hope that Luke Jackson will stay at the Demons. But that seems more and more doubtful sadly.

Nevertheless, if we do lose Luke Jackson to Fremantle (or West Coast) we need to get a fair trade back in return. Remember that Jake Lever cost us 2 first round draft picks at the end of 2017 when he left the Crows for us.

You gotta give up quality to get quality as they say!

  On 05/09/2022 at 05:21, dazzledavey36 said:

Not according to this video..

The selection was out of Jackson and Tom Green of GWS. 

No mention of Young.

 

If you look at the still in the video  of the draft positions you will see that we had in order, Rowell, Jackson, Green and Young 

  On 05/09/2022 at 03:17, Bobby McKenzie said:

Sadly, we lost at the draft table when we chose Luke Jackson over Young. Hayden was interviewed by Melbourne and according to close family sources (reliable information as they are close friends),he had told his family that he was going to be a Demon. But the powers to be changed their mind and opted for Jacko. What a win for Freo! They gained a champion defender and its all but certain they will get Jackson as well. Hayden is a great interceptor and those long ( and I mean long), accurate kicks are sublime. But its no use crying over spilled milk is it?

As @La Dee-vina Comedia points out, Freo have to trade for Jackson, so they don't end up with Young and Jackson without cost.

Hogan to Fremantle for May and Rivers, both MFC Premiership players, along with Jackson.  Two from WA and one from the NT.

Edited September 5, 20222 yr by old55

  On 05/09/2022 at 05:01, Lord Travis said:

Silly thread, though I was keen on Young at draft. Jackson is a demon now, Young is not.

If Jackson requests a trade to Freo, then a straight swap for Young would be a good result. Unlikely to happen though as why would he leave the Dockers on the rise after signing a 5 year extension.

Because of his family. We'd pay his contract.

  On 05/09/2022 at 07:32, Bobby McKenzie said:

So having an opinion is propaganda? And Russian as well? Well I never. With comments like that mate maybe you are just a little Goofy.

The reference to Russian propaganda is the use of big, superficially credible statements that have to be picked apart to refute but which are quite obviously detached from reality upon inspection.

Also, keeping with the Russian theme for a moment; "Ukraine bombed its own people in the occupied areas so they wouldn't report how well they were being treated by Russia" is an opinion and also most definitely propaganda. Opinions aren't some magically neutral ether, so do civilization a favour and take that out of your rhetorical toolkit.

Also also, it was flippant remark on a level with the silliness of the new thread.

"We lost at the draft table when we chose Jackson over Young" because "We lose Jackson and now Freo have both" and also "Jackson's last game wasn't good."

Totally bypassing;

a) that Jackson was the best player available in the draft at pick 3, possibly overall.

b) the value that Jackson has already provided

c) that Young, while a very good player, is only about 15% ahead of an injury-riddle Salem at the same age, and would not be a game-changer for our list.

d) that judging a 20yr old (premiership) ruckman on their single most recent game is just silly, particularly when they were far from the worst and kept up the effort levels even when things weren't working for them.

e) that to get Jackson, Fremantle will now have to give up significant trade value, which we will receive.

  On 05/09/2022 at 12:21, Little Goffy said:

The reference to Russian propaganda is the use of big, superficially credible statements that have to be picked apart to refute but which are quite obviously detached from reality upon inspection.

Also, keeping with the Russian theme for a moment; "Ukraine bombed its own people in the occupied areas so they wouldn't report how well they were being treated by Russia" is an opinion and also most definitely propaganda. Opinions aren't some magically neutral ether, so do civilization a favour and take that out of your rhetorical toolkit.

Also also, it was flippant remark on a level with the silliness of the new thread.

"We lost at the draft table when we chose Jackson over Young" because "We lose Jackson and now Freo have both" and also "Jackson's last game wasn't good."

Totally bypassing;

a) that Jackson was the best player available in the draft at pick 3, possibly overall.

b) the value that Jackson has already provided

c) that Young, while a very good player, is only about 15% ahead of an injury-riddle Salem at the same age, and would not be a game-changer for our list.

d) that judging a 20yr old (premiership) ruckman on their single most recent game is just silly, particularly when they were far from the worst and kept up the effort levels even when things weren't working for them.

e) that to get Jackson, Fremantle will now have to give up significant trade value, which we will receive.

I like Jackson, but the fact remains he most likely is leaving us and we could have had Young. So, are really saying is that my opinion is not important on this forum?  Imo you are definitely wrong when you say that Young  would not be a game changer on our list. He already shows so much skill and maturity. To play so well in his first final shows his talent. I don't know how you can formulate an actual percentage difference when comparing him with Salem. Time will prove one of us right. Let us agree to both disagree on this topic. Cheers, Little Goffy.

  On 05/09/2022 at 03:17, Bobby McKenzie said:

Sadly, we lost at the draft table when we chose Luke Jackson over Young. Hayden was interviewed by Melbourne and according to close family sources (reliable information as they are close friends),he had told his family that he was going to be a Demon. But the powers to be changed their mind and opted for Jacko. What a win for Freo! They gained a champion defender and its all but certain they will get Jackson as well. Hayden is a great interceptor and those long ( and I mean long), accurate kicks are sublime. But its no use crying over spilled milk is it?

Sadly Bobby you have got home after Friday night after Dogga's worst possible game on the big stage and then seen Young play a valuable role in the Dockers win an amazing Finals game which has set them up as a future power team from the West.

Then you have launched into print and changed 3 years of  football performances as a result. To date LJ has been under any criteria a much better and more valuable player in his first 3 years with us than Hayden has been for Freo.

Yes injury has been a handicap for Young but Jacko has been a quicK learner and vary valuable on baller in his first 3 years. He has changed when rucking say 5 games including our Flag win and been a competent team man in most of his first 50 games. For a 21 year old now he has a great future.

There is no doubt Young has the goods and Freo have consolidated his future with a 5 year deal. But up till now LJ has played and contributed grandly to a history making premiership already on the biggest stage of all. 

To suddenly criticise JT snd our team from changing from Young as our first draft pick in 2019 to Luke on one disappointing Final is an overreaction.

I reckon in hindsight Luke was probably not quite 100% with his calf. He is and will be a champion player for who ever he plays for. We or JT had no idea he may be prone to playing at home either. 

And whoever we get in exchange or in draft picks may be better than Young and/ or Jackson to our team.

Maybe you should dodo wait till Young  plays in the first Dockers Flag before you race off and print a slightly salty summary of the 2019 draft 3 years on.

One flag up already has Jacko well on the way to being a Demon legend do he has the score on the board at this early stage.

Plenty of years to play out yet snd Jesse did not fit in at Freo let's see if LJ does! 

  On 05/09/2022 at 15:37, Bobby McKenzie said:

I like Jackson, but the fact remains he most likely is leaving us and we could have had Young. So, are really saying is that my opinion is not important on this forum?  Imo you are definitely wrong when you say that Young  would not be a game changer on our list. He already shows so much skill and maturity. To play so well in his first final shows his talent. I don't know how you can formulate an actual percentage difference when comparing him with Salem. Time will prove one of us right. Let us agree to both disagree on this topic. Cheers, Little Goffy.

So far we are infinitely ahead on the selection with Jackson a crucial contributor to our premiership while Young would not have improved the flag backline.

Jackson's market value is higher than Young's, if he does leave let's see what we turn that into.

We've got Bowey outside the 22 and Freo seem to rate Jackson very highly. If I had the choice between Jackson and Young in our 22 this final series there's no doubt I'd pick Jackson.

At the end of 2019, I was very keen on MFC drafting Hayden Young due to his elite delivery and he is able to perfectly play the modern quarterback type role.  He’s also a good mark and decision maker. But happy that we got LJ and also Kozzy. Thd excitement of JTs face was priceless alone. Their mateship alongside Riv and excitement has brought us a lot and the premiership that we waited so long for.  Good luck to Young and I think Freo have a definite 200+ game player in him.  

  On 05/09/2022 at 19:05, old55 said:

So far we are infinitely ahead on the selection with Jackson a crucial contributor to our premiership while Young would not have improved the flag backline.

Jackson's market value is higher than Young's, if he does leave let's see what we turn that into.

We've got Bowey outside the 22 and Freo seem to rate Jackson very highly. If I had the choice between Jackson and Young in our 22 this final series there's no doubt I'd pick Jackson.

Basically, the chief reason I started this post was to say that SHORT term, Jackson was great( who could forget his magnificent GF performance?) but LONG term Young would have been a best bet to have in our team. Sadly, it seems highly likely that Jacko will be leaving us after just three years. It seems common that West Australians want to return to their home state and picking them always carries a risk. Young is a Victorian and most likely would have been with us for his entire career. Sorry I trod on the toes of a few sensitive posters. That's it from me. QED.

With the Luke Jackson trade can we just demand Hayden Young or PSD? the kid is a superstar