Veil of Negativity

[loges 6,767]

I can get frustrated during the game and show it on the game day thread. But especially after a win you've got to be more positive. It's a very even season we are right in it. Carlton were playing for their season keep the faith 

[BDA 22,866]

Optimists v pessimists. I don’t care which one you are. I think you need both to get a full picture although I’m glad I’m an optimist by nature.

I think it’s just as annoying someone telling you to just smile mate everything is honky dory, she’ll be right as it is someone catastrophising all the time. Some posters are over the top negative for sure, but I think these are balanced out by the optimists on the site.

I don’t like entitlement (Hawthorn fans the worst in this regard). We were never going to just turn up this year and win it. Too many good coaches and teams in this league to allow that to happen

The players are grinding and battling away. No lack of effort as far as I can tell. But our game plan is taxing. Very difficult to maintain the levels of energy and work rate required to execute it consistently. And we have forward issues. Blind Freddy can tell you that.

I’m just going to enjoy the ride from here on. Head to the games and support the team, take the good with the bad, the positive with the negative. And if we lose I might post a rant on demonland. I thought that was the point of the forum. Let off some steam, respectfully of course

[Dr. Gonzo 24,266]

1 hour ago, R.I.P. Troy said:

I'll never understand why people worry so much about what others say or think, let alone start a thread about it.

People can be as negative or as positive as they like.

Because constant negativity is tedious, especially when we are currently 2nd on the ladder and just won a game in the dying seconds against a hated enemy.

[Wodjathefirst 2,653]

I was gearing myself up to read more of the negative crap on DL this morning….. what a pleasure it was to come across this thread

GO DEES!!!

[Gandalf46 133]

1 hour ago, TheWiz said:

Over the past 30 years only four clubs have managed to go back to back. Adelaide once (1998), Brisbane twice (2002, 2003), Hawthorn twice (2014, 2015), and Richmond once (2020).

Geelong has never done it. Their three premierships in 2007, 2009 and 2011 were followed by Hawthorn, Collingwood and Sydney, respectively.

Maybe this will help people with their expectations of this year, but winning one is tough, but going back to back is a rare feat. You’re dealing with complacency, culture changes, list changes, figured out game plan, a harder draw,  worse draft picks and most importantly - and I can’t stress this enough - a professional league of other elite clubs where every other team is trying to achieve the same goal.

Keep positive. Enjoy the footy we’re playing. Enjoy that we’re still extremely competitive and will be playing finals. Stop comparing it to last year and most of all have some healthy respect to the competition we’re facing.

Go Dees.

Fantastic post.  Suggest it should be the Demonland banner for the remainder of 2022.        

[binman 43,709]

10 hours ago, Stu said:

For all the negative Dee's supports here, take a moment and ponder this question... take all of your negative feelings about our game plan, our weaknesses, our team selection, and analyse it through the lens of our ladder position. If, and I mean IF, everything you feel is true and we're still second despite all that, what does that mean for what we can accomplish if we address all that concerns you?

And what does it mean for he relative strength of the opposition?

For a team that nearly finished top of the ladder last season and made a prelim, the Cats have had incredibly soft draw, made easer by nearly half their games at a ground that arguably gives them the biggest home ground advantage of any in the AFL (perhaps line ball with the Gabba)

The pies had a soft draw courtesy of not making final's last year, which is fair enough under the AFL's stupid equalization 'fixture' system.

Brisbane have had a pretty tough draw, but have an amazing record at the Gabba and so get a, deserved, leg up there.

And the Swans draw was not super strong.

By contrast we have had arguably the hardest draw of any team with a ridiculous schedule and multiple short breaks.

In our last three games we have beaten two other top 8 teams - a knock some had on us prior to the freo game (ie our record against top 8 teams). And we almost beat another in the pies, in arguably our best performance of the year.

The home and away season is almost done, all teams have played each other at least once, and therefore the ladder is a pretty good representation of the relative strength of every team.

We are currently second on the  ladder, which makes for a good argument for the dees being one of the two best teams in the AFL - better than 16 other teams, six of which will be possible finals opponents.

The punters, not coincidentally, have us clear second favorites to win the flag behind ladder leader, Geelong.  

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by binman

[radar 1,865]

Brisbane won a triple limping into finals each year and bringing Clarke Keating in. 
Hawthorn’s threepeat must’ve had some disappointing or unexpected losses. 
 

Can’t actually recall single one of those losses in six years of flags 

[Crystal Dees 372]

2 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Over the past 30 years only four clubs have managed to go back to back. Adelaide once (1998), Brisbane twice (2002, 2003), Hawthorn twice (2014, 2015), and Richmond once (2020).

Geelong has never done it. Their three premierships in 2007, 2009 and 2011 were followed by Hawthorn, Collingwood and Sydney, respectively.

Maybe this will help people with their expectations of this year, but winning one is tough, but going back to back is a rare feat. You’re dealing with complacency, culture changes, list changes, figured out game plan, a harder draw,  worse draft picks and most importantly - and I can’t stress this enough - a professional league of other elite clubs where every other team is trying to achieve the same goal.

Keep positive. Enjoy the footy we’re playing. Enjoy that we’re still extremely competitive and will be playing finals. Stop comparing it to last year and most of all have some healthy respect to the competition we’re facing.

Go Dees.

I'll join in the standing ovation for this post.

As horrendous as it sounds, just for one moment, forget 2021 happened. We are having our best year to date since 1964 when there were 12 teams. What would Demonland look like then! 

Our emotions flucuate madly during and immediately after matches because we are so passionate and invested. That passion is why we stuck with the club during some horrific decades. 3 years ago we were 17th - that is West Coast today.

Think about that. Tell their supporters they'll be sitting 2nd on the ladder in 3years. I'm guessing they would accept that.

Let's smell the roses and not what feeds them. 

[deespicable me 1,489]

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

MFCSS used to be warranted around here. These days I just see more and more new usernames popping up and being increasingly negative, and talking in ridiculous absolutes i.e. we can’t win this year (even after a win) 

Unfortunately the quality of this communities members is slipping by the day. So many new members that are mostly unable to add anything of depth or interest, just repeated negativity in an almost troll like manner. Sucks really. 

Some people are glass half full and see the negatives in life. For anyone who loves positivity the series Ted Lasso is a fantastic show. As a negative personality person I love it. I would love to be more like him. But I'm not. And while I'm reasonably well adjusted (thank you) there are a lot of people where their negativity can overwhelm them.

I think your post is borderline bullying telling people how they should think or feel. What arrogance. And to be on here doing that means you are not a truly positive person yourself. Just pumping up your own tyres at the expense of others.

[BDA 22,866]

We’re not playing well. We’re not as fluent, in sync, as sharp as we were this time last year. I think our game plan has become stale, too predictable. There are tweaks required in the off season for sure. It’s hard work for the boys at the moment.

But we have a team chock full of champions. We have gotten ourselves into winning positions in pretty much every game through sheer force of will. Maxy is an out and out champion. Viney, Clarry, may, petty. And we have class in kossie, trac, Frisch and now Melks through his brilliant renaissance. If we click good luck to the rest of the comp. And even if we don’t we have bucketloads of willpower. I doubt any team is looking forward to playing us in September. 

I’m giving us a 3/1 chance of winning it. If we fall short I’m sure it won’t be for lack of effort. I’m looking forward to the ride.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

At least our struggles have forced the so-called pundits to take off their blinkers and concede that Melbourne didn't just have to turn up to win this year's flag. It's not a VoN to recognise that Melbourne have weaknesses, that Melbourne played a lot of also-rans in the first ten games, that many of the other teams would come up with countermeasures in 2022; that without any clear improvements in game style and tactics - the old if you stand still the others will go past you rule - that without a similar run with injury and fitness in 2022 we would be up against it. 

PS: Does Ben Brown standing in packs and putting one arm up constitute a new tactic? Maybe he's trying to bunt the ball down to crumbers, and at least it is preventing opposition marks. I'd like to see him occasionally flip the ball over the back.

Edited August 14, 2022 by Tony Tea

[Fork 'em 6,990]

Flag in the bank.
Rd22 , sittin' 2nd with a healthy list.
We all know there's another gear if they can find it.
All the years I would've killed to be in this situation.






 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Fork 'em

[BLWNBA 1,123]

5 hours ago, Smokey said:

MFCSS used to be warranted around here. These days I just see more and more new usernames popping up and being increasingly negative, and talking in ridiculous absolutes i.e. we can’t win this year (even after a win) 

Unfortunately the quality of this communities members is slipping by the day. So many new members that are mostly unable to add anything of depth or interest, just repeated negativity in an almost troll like manner. Sucks really. 

Nothing like some forum gatekeeping, hey? 

[layzie 33,989]

1 hour ago, Fork 'em said:

Flag in the bank.
Rd22 , sittin' 2nd with a healthy list.
We all know there's another gear if they can find it.
All the years I would've killed to be in this situation.






 

 

Damn right 

[Hopeful Demon 1,517]

Some of the comments in the post match thread were depressing to read. In hindsight I actually loved yesterday's game. I'd be lying if I said that I never felt stressed and frustrated throughout the game but it was a brilliant contest between two teams who both had lots to play for.

I think we should all be proud of last night's win. Carlton were always going to come out firing and we stood up when it mattered.

[Mr Steve 3,820]

2 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Flag in the bank.
Rd22 , sittin' 2nd with a healthy list.
We all know there's another gear if they can find it.
All the years I would've killed to be in this situation.






 

 

Don't think we can finish 2nd without a big big win next week. 

[Clintosaurus 7,858]

17 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

Don't think we can finish 2nd without a big big win next week. 

A win should do it. Depends on Sydney really.

[Smokey 4,389]

1 hour ago, BLWNBA said:

Nothing like some forum gatekeeping, hey? 

It’s a simple observation

Edited August 14, 2022 by Smokey

[Smokey 4,389]

3 hours ago, deespicable me said:

Some people are glass half full and see the negatives in life. For anyone who loves positivity the series Ted Lasso is a fantastic show. As a negative personality person I love it. I would love to be more like him. But I'm not. And while I'm reasonably well adjusted (thank you) there are a lot of people where their negativity can overwhelm them.

I think your post is borderline bullying telling people how they should think or feel. What arrogance. And to be on here doing that means you are not a truly positive person yourself. Just pumping up your own tyres at the expense of others.

Borderline bullying? Gee whiz that’s quite a bow your drawing there 

[Ollie fan 3,468]

Geelong: $2.75 (and I believe they will be found out in finals, away from their home ground). Us: $4.00. Next team (Sydney): $7.00.

Surely we are in this up to our necks!!

[roy11 3,877]

Speaking of negativity, I'm starting to feel a bit negative about my bet of BBB to win the Coleman

[binman 43,709]

33 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Speaking of negativity, I'm starting to feel a bit negative about my bet of BBB to win the Coleman

I don't think i'll be collecting on that preseason bet!

[binman 43,709]

When it comes to the chances of us winning the flag,  one advantage the pessimists have over the optimists is that the are more likely to be proven correct. 

[Bozo 73]

15 hours ago, Sideshow Bob said:

MFCSS rubs true

 

We are 2nd on the ladder with a round and a half to go for 2022. Yes our form isn't as strong leading into finals as last year. Yes our best footy is still the best in the competition, despite not showing often enough

I for one am sick to death of the negative nancies on here and the real world who are saying we can't win it. Of course we bloody can. We're in this up to our eyeballs.

Too many years of MFCSS unfortunately haven't been washed away despite last year's win - just because it's a close season doesn't mean we haven't got a shot at it fron here - can't win them all as an absolute dominant side - that's actually a rarity!

Is our best THE best? I am not convinced. Based on what? It is not impossible that Melbourne will win the flag but it is the least likey outcome. That is not negative or positive but a realistic assesment on exposed form. The Demons certainly have the capacity but presently lack the spark, ingenuity, resourcefulness, stamina and 'intangibles' being demonstrated by other serious opponents.

The little spoken of and a legitimate danger is Richmond.

[deebunked 285]

6 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

This is a great take.

True , but if Hawthorn can go three peat 13 14 15 surely b2b is highly possible.We can beat any of the better sides.

No key injuries, Petracca picks up form and a little luck and the cup is ours.