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1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yes probably the only change for mine.

Chandler for Spargo might be the other but can't see them bringing Chandler in at this late stage given he hasn't been looked at (seriously) so far.

Maybe Smith/JVR for Spargo or ANB ? 🤔  Any experimenting should have been done weeks ago though probably.  The Port game and just after (latest) so doubt we'll see these now barring injury.

It may be changed by how some at Casey play today. A big game from Smith, Chandler or JVR could force a change. 

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13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Will never happen but we’d be no worse with Harmes for Petracca. His defensive work is a joke and he’s not giving much offensively.

JJ and Sparrow just going about their roles. So they’re the most vulnerable. Gus more wing and Harmes to Neale makes sense.

Not really his fault but Spargo struggling. Bedford and Chandler managed this week from VFL

The problem with the side is mostly the best players underperforming and not the role players.

 

13 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Against a side with 3 talls he stays in but against smaller line ups we really should ask what the point of Lever is chasing around half back flankers, Hibberd, Hunt and Rivers all did a better job intercepting and actually provide rebound. 

 

12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He’d make us worse forward and worse in the ruck.

Jacko was great in the ruck early and made a contribution forward, just couldn’t nail tricky shots. They’ve got the balance right that brings Gawn and Brown in to the game as it goes on. If the team kept running they’d all get more chances as forwards.  

Normally I think your posts are very insightful, but I reckon only one of these three make sense. Meatloaf sang that two out of three ain't bad. You should aspire to that standard.

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I wish people would get off Ben Brown's case. No way will he be dropped. Works his [censored] off and constantly gets to a contest and knocks the ball clear for the crumbers.

His last contest resulted in the winning goal. Opposition backs are paranoid about ganging up on him. That leaves space for Kozzie and co.

Maybe Harmes comes in for a tagging role.

Thats all.

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47 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I really like him as a player. No nonsense, tackles well, and never seen a game where he hasn't given 100%. Just not loving him on the wing right now. Not sure what his best role is though tbh, he's great as a utility though so you'd find a role for him somewhere.

The knee injury has really taken a toll on his.

It's effecting turning circle and power to push off contest. 

And I agree with you, right now he's not suited to the wing role. His awareness and reaction timing is off and he isn't able to provide the run like he did in the first half of the year.

It's too late now to make this move which I'm annoyed about,  but I would have given Jake Bowey a go when Jordon hurt his knee.

Bowey played all his junior footy as a natural wingman/half forward and he's someone who is so composed with the footy but also adds speed and creativity on the outside. 

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100% debunked. Brown gets the best defender every week as our single key forward. He competes up and down the ground in marking contests when he’s a lead up forward and is able to bring the ball to ground.
 

The Brown haters forget he competed in the air all night and won us a stoppage when he was 3 v 1 in the dying seconds of the game. Not to mention his clutch mark/goal in the last. 
 

Reckon Harmes to come in the tag Neale. Hard to say who comes out. Possibly JJ or Sparrow but they may have had tagging roles last night.

1 minute ago, deebunked said:

I wish people would get off Ben Brown. No way will he be dropped. Works his [censored] off and constantly gets to a contest and knocks the ball clear for the crumbers.

His last contest resulted in the winning goal. Opposition backs are paranoid about ganging up on him. That leaves space for Kozzie and co.

Maybe Harmes comes in for a tagging role.

Thats all.

 

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I'd like to see Harmes and Bowey come in if only to give some struggling players a rest. Some of them look pretty wretched (Petracca & Jordon for eg.). It won't happen but we look to be really limping to the finish line. Do we get a week off at the end of the H & A season? We certainly need it - it's been a taxing fixture.

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13 hours ago, Radar Detector said:

Will cop it for this but I’d seriously consider bringing Weid for Jackson. I think we’re really struggling with our ruck combo at the moment. We’re playing Max forward too much because Jackson gives us nothing inside 50. But Max isn’t scoring enough and although Jackson is rucking a lot more minutes he’s not as good a ruckman as Max so we’re not as potent in the middle.

Weid is at least a forward who chops out in the ruck which would improve our balance. He would offer more than Jackson forward and force Max to take more ruck minutes, both of which I think are positive.

Otherwise, Spargo was putrid, Neal-Bullen continues to make poor decisions and Sparrow had no impact. Would probably bring Harmes in at a minimum to tag Neale and look at a small forward who might occasionally trouble the scorers.

If Weid kicks 14 in the vfl, I be willing to give him another chance. 

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1 hour ago, Boots and all said:

...or alternatively we could have an alternative plan to use the corridor occasionally, which is effectively what is being done to us. 

Absolutely, more bounce from half back, half forwards leading hard and above everything a greater midfield work rate would really open things up. But good teams aren’t just giving the corridor up repeatedly. 

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57 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Absolutely, more bounce from half back, half forwards leading hard and above everything a greater midfield work rate would really open things up. But good teams aren’t just giving the corridor up repeatedly. 

I don't think it takes too much either. Just enough to place doubt in other teams mind and force them to spread their zone wider, giving us a bit more breathing space as we transition from defence to attack.

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1 hour ago, Roger Mellie said:

I'd like to see Harmes and Bowey come in if only to give some struggling players a rest. Some of them look pretty wretched (Petracca & Jordon for eg.). It won't happen but we look to be really limping to the finish line. Do we get a week off at the end of the H & A season? We certainly need it - it's been a taxing fixture.

Yes, there is a week off.

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Sparrow or Jordan out for smith

then they become medi sub. I know its not like for like but we can afford to bring out one of them

smith although tall still has pace so it’s not like you’re losing too much of it for a tall. 
 

 

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18 minutes ago, layzie said:

Wouldn't mind Bowey is just to hit a few targets when needed. Lacking composure at the moment.

Yeah, definitely need the composure down back, especially with Lever shaking everything that goes on his boot. Just not sure who comes out of the backline, Rivers, Hibbo, Salem. Would be leaning toward Rivers probably, but he's been OK.

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14 hours ago, old55 said:

Ben Brown was fine for the way we went forward. Tirelessly created an aerial contest, always outnumbered and often had to make enormous ground to get to the contest.  

Oh my god someone who actually understood what Brown's role was in the side. If he was outnumbered in the contest and couldn't mark it he was clearly instructed to bring the ball to ground. Thus sometimes flying one handed to spoil. What we needed was better crumbing at the contest. Lost count the amount of times he made sure their defence wouldn't mark it. The cream on cake, Last gasp kick to the top of the goal square, outnumbered again brings it to the ground, this time Melk and Kozzie are there Melk gets it to Kozzie game over thank you very much 

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Bowey in to replace one of the pressure forwards - Spago or ANB -  we need his kicking skills into the forward line and both lads out of form - particularly ANB.

Leave Brown - but just play deep -  doesn’t lead past fwd 20m arc -  and encourage midfielders / backs to run ball further toward 50m to kick.  Standing 15m out from goal is the only time Brown looks likely.

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Conditions at Casey were not great and we played a boundary line game mainly.

Smith didn't do enough. Weideman contested very well and Bowey was solid (kicked his first VFL goal).

Chandler and Bedford didn't play.

Bowey for Spargo is a possibility

Harmes was a solid contributor with lots of possessions without starring

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Weideman was BOG for Casey playing as a high CHF.

Problem is, when he comes into the team they pigeon hole him as a deep forward. 

I still think we are 1 key forward short and having Weideman play that high role up the field means Brown can stay deep more often then not.

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6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Conditions at Casey were not great and we played a boundary line game mainly.

Smith didn't do enough. Weideman contested very well and Bowey was solid (kicked his first VFL goal).

Chandler and Bedford didn't play.

Bowey for Spargo is a possibility

Harmes was a solid contributor with lots of possessions without starring

Any idea why Chandler and Bedford didn’t play?

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3 hours ago, old dee said:

It may be changed by how some at Casey play today. A big game from Smith, Chandler or JVR could force a change. 

Bowey for Spargo

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5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Weideman was BOG for Casey playing as a high CHF.

Problem is, when he comes into the team they pigeon hole him as a deep forward. 

I still think we are 1 key forward short and having Weideman play that high role up the field means Brown can stay deep more often then not.

We would then have 2 non chasing talls and often a ruck. Plus Weid was all big body work on small opponents today. At afl level he doesn’t have the tank, speed or clunking hands to get out on the lead at CHF. He’d be a sitting duck for a good key defender. He doesn’t kick it well enough to be a weapon with the ball either.

Not sure why we have such desire to change the Brown, Melk, Fritsch and rucks combo. Scoring really hasn’t been the problem since Melk came in to the side.

 

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Bowey’s never played half forward flank at afl level. The idea of just dropping him in to a new position with no development in it really doesn’t make sense. He won’t know the structures, he won’t make space for team mates.

If the coaches had any desire to try Bowey at half forward they would’ve played him there today.

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