It’s wild to think that if we had of been playing Grundy in the team we would probably be playing in a Grand Final this weekend.

Just now, Super Sub Schache said:

It’s wild to think that if we had of been playing Grundy in the team we would probably be playing in a Grand Final this weekend.

What difference would he have made? 

It's wild to think that if we don't lose Gus, Petty, JVR and Melksham we probably win the flag.

Grundy not playing was inconsequential to our woes in the end

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

What difference would he have made? 

It's wild to think that if we don't lose Gus, Petty, JVR and Melksham we probably win the flag.

Grundy not playing was inconsequential to our woes in the end

I disagree.

I laid out how to use him... and also Max wisely. 

We went into that game  about as dumb as you could. You needed to revise thinking...we just built a house on sand.

You may disagree...  but the game was there for the taking...we just LOST it

On 9/27/2023 at 7:59 PM, Roger Mellie said:

I presumed it was all quite professional and that Grundy understood it just wasn't working in a 'no offense taken' kind of way. But, if playing the Schachster as sub wasn't the biggest eff you Grundy, ever, I'm not sure what is. 

I also can't recall Max spending much if any time up forward this year other than fleeting moments, as part of the grand ruck plan, when the two were playing. Perhaps it's just my failing memory :-(

could be they didn't want the risk of him getting a bad injury which could lower his trade value

or worst case, career ending. 5 x $650k = $3.25miilion ... down the drain plus -1 player for 5 years

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by daisycutter

27 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

could be they didn't want the risk of him getting a bad injury which could lower his trade value

or worst case, career ending. 5 x $650k = $3.25miilion ... down the drain plus -1 player for 5 years

In the end, we weren't going to play him so your explanation fits as the logical one, DC

I suppose once we said to the bloke that we were going down a different path (Max as the main man with a bit of help from JVR/TMac) it was as good as over

40 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

could be they didn't want the risk of him getting a bad injury which could lower his trade value

or worst case, career ending. 5 x $650k = $3.25miilion ... down the drain plus -1 player for 5 years

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

could be they didn't want the risk of him getting a bad injury which could lower his trade value

or worst case, career ending. 5 x $650k = $3.25miilion ... down the drain plus -1 player for 5 years

That's my theory also.

10 hours ago, daisycutter said:

could be they didn't want the risk of him getting a bad injury which could lower his trade value

or worst case, career ending. 5 x $650k = $3.25miilion ... down the drain plus -1 player for 5 years

Occams Razor suggests the simplest explanation. 

Mine  , we just had nfi. 

All players have worth...   strangely his was greater playing ...than not.

All history now......

Not sure why folks are so perturbed about Grundy not playing nor being selected as sub.

Last year he was ready to play at about round 18/19.  He played several weeks in the VFL and he was ready to go in the seniors.  Coll did not select him for the last few rounds nor for their 3 finals.  Nor did they select him as sub for any of those games.

A similar scenario as this year at mfc. 

We will never know if he would have helped us win a final.  Whatever the reason I don't see any reason to criticise the club/coaches for his non-selection.  Maybe we discovered what Coll knew or have similar reasons for not playing him.  There is precedent here.

Edited September 28, 20231 yr by Lucifers Hero

32 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Occams Razor suggests the simplest explanation. 

Mine  , we just had nfi. 

All players have worth...   strangely his was greater playing ...than not.

All history now......

Every time there was a selection to be made Goodie & the BT took the conservative, stick to what has worked, option. There was a lack of boldness in our selections.

Grundy & Woewodin should have played.

Grundy just can't take a trick right now.  A terrible faux pax by all involved:  carrie-bickmore-apologises-to-brodie-grundy-over-mortifying-blunder

Feeling a bit sad for him.  It must be awful for him to watch Coll play in the GF.  But then again not sure what he expected in the interview/chat.

On 9/28/2023 at 12:01 PM, Jaded No More said:

What difference would he have made? 

It's wild to think that if we don't lose Gus, Petty, JVR and Melksham we probably win the flag.

Grundy not playing was inconsequential to our woes in the end

Nobody knows how Brundy would have gone for MFC in the finals because he wasn't selectedy.  All else is speculation.  

13 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Grundy just can't take a trick right now.  A terrible faux pax by all involved:  carrie-bickmore-apologises-to-brodie-grundy-over-mortifying-blunder

Feeling a bit sad for him.  It must be awful for him to watch Coll play in the GF.  But then again not sure what he expected in the interview/chat.

Reading that transcript just reminds me why I don't listen to empty airheads on drive radio.  Appalling and rude - and I expect she thought it was really funny. 

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

Nobody knows how Brundy would have gone for MFC in the finals because he wasn't selectedy.  All else is speculation.  

Reading that transcript just reminds me why I don't listen to empty airheads on drive radio.  Appalling and rude - and I expect she thought it was really funny. 

Agree 100% Mono, I think it applies more on FM stations.

23 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Grundy just can't take a trick right now.  A terrible faux pax by all involved:  carrie-bickmore-apologises-to-brodie-grundy-over-mortifying-blunder

Feeling a bit sad for him.  It must be awful for him to watch Coll play in the GF.  But then again not sure what he expected in the interview/chat.

I'm sure Carrie initially did it by mistake but imagine the radio show producers etc thought it was a great opportunity to be "funny"

Poor Grundy.  He seems like such a decent and honest guy, and he's really been put through the wringer between the Pies, the media and us

On 9/29/2023 at 7:29 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

Not sure why folks are so perturbed about Grundy not playing nor being selected as sub.

Last year he was ready to play at about round 18/19.  He played several weeks in the VFL and he was ready to go in the seniors.  Coll did not select him for the last few rounds nor for their 3 finals.  Nor did they select him as sub for any of those games.

A similar scenario as this year at mfc. 

We will never know if he would have helped us win a final.  Whatever the reason I don't see any reason to criticise the club/coaches for his non-selection.  Maybe we discovered what Coll knew or have similar reasons for not playing him.  There is precedent here.

Will we ever find out? Was it a non selection or Grundy cracked it? Either way it was a disastrous trade! 

8 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Will we ever find out? Was it a non selection or Grundy cracked it? Either way it was a disastrous trade! 

I would guess he made his decision to move on after he was brought back in after number of weeks at Casey, then dropped the next week.

He probably did the right thing by himself and the club as he'd effectively checked out.  And probably said so when finals arose.

No way Goody (or any sensible experienced senior coach) would risk another LJ performance in a final.  Would be like taking a very compromisef injured player in.

But then there's the Schache mystery 🤷‍♂️

 

Edited September 29, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

Tony Sheahan predicted the Swans and pick 11 weeks before anyone else.

Obviously some spice added to Grundy deal needed to get 11.

I hope he is right.

I thought Grundys tap work and efforts below his knees were very good.

There is a very glaring downside to him though.....He can't mark to save himself.

A very important skill for any ruckman.

See ya Grundy. 

32 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

A very important skill for any ruckman.

I would’ve thought for any footballer

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I would guess he made his decision to move on after he was brought back in after number of weeks at Casey, then dropped the next week.

He probably did the right thing by himself and the club as he'd effectively checked out.  And probably said so when finals arose.

No way Goody (or any sensible experienced senior coach) would risk another LJ performance in a final.  Would be like taking a very compromisef injured player in.

But then there's the Schache mystery 🤷‍♂️

 

The biggest one was a five gamer kid all of which weren't stand outs in Laurie the sub  in tge qf. Goody wasn't prepared to play him all game but it happens and it  exposed a very, very poor decision. Why pick a very inexperienced kid in a qf fgs? 

 

On 9/28/2023 at 12:01 PM, Jaded No More said:

What difference would he have made? 

It's wild to think that if we don't lose Gus, Petty, JVR and Melksham we probably win the flag.

Grundy not playing was inconsequential to our woes in the end

Things we couldn’t control versus things we could.

The Schache sub selection to then not even use him will go down as one of the greatest coaching failures of all time.

Edited September 30, 20231 yr by Super Sub Schache

6 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

The biggest one was a five gamer kid all of which weren't stand outs in Laurie the sub  in tge qf. Goody wasn't prepared to play him all game but it happens and it  exposed a very, very poor decision. Why pick a very inexperienced kid in a qf fgs? 

 

Who knows deeves.

Stocks were definitely low at Casey in terms of quality in-form options coming in to finals once the likes of Melk & Petty went down.

Watching Melk do his knee against the Swans i couldn't help but think at the time, there goes any chance of a GF appearance.

Was hoping for a Prelim minimum but alas.   Here we are looking ahead to the draft / Grundy & JJ trade outcomes etc.

Pies decision to get rid of Grundy was justified.

Grundy is probably wondering how Frampton has a premiership medallion, whilst he got the lemon and sars from the club he loved.

So where has the Harmes to Sydney rumour come from? If true I wonder if it will be a separate deal or incorporated into the Grundy trade.

On 9/29/2023 at 7:48 AM, Cranky Franky said:

Every time there was a selection to be made Goodie & the BT took the conservative, stick to what has worked, option. There was a lack of boldness in our selections.

Grundy & Woewodin should have played.

Whats worse really is the qualification of what "worked"... a lot didnt.

It's sent to history's basement now.