On 10/10/2022 at 09:44, old dee said:

That’s the problem I think he has too good of  a grip.

I reckon you are on the money there.

 

Tough fr the pies lol, after all they asked fr 20-25 and we’ve apparantly disrespected them badly by offering 27. 

looking forward to the dees standing their ground or handing them a future 4th. 

  On 10/10/2022 at 20:46, Demonland said:

 

We should threaten to walk away if not done today for 27.

5 years at $1m per year. Oh yeah!

 

A lot of posturing goes on as part of trade negotiations. I'm surprised so many posters get sucked in by it. 

This deal will get done today for pick 27 and maybe some later pick swaps. Pies can take it or leave it. I'm sure they'll take it cos they have no choice

Hold fire on the Weed trade until this is done. We could get caught with pants down. 

I’m sure we’ll end up getting Grundy but what happens if we don’t?

Who on the list will be our first ruck if Gawn misses games?

Who will be that player to allow Gawn to be fresh and injury free come September? 

  On 10/10/2022 at 20:46, Demonland said:

 

And pay his Million dollar salary how??

The Pies really do treat their players like pawns

  On 10/10/2022 at 20:46, Demonland said:

 

 

Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.

 

Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.

 

Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

Edited October 10, 20222 yr by Big Red Rooster

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:17, CYB said:

Hold fire on the Weed trade until this is done. We could get caught with pants down. 

Thats my concern too.

Hopefully Tim Lamb has a contingency for a second ruck option if Grundy falls through.  We are not in an unbeatable negotiating position on this issue as some say.

Maybe we are and Tim has a solution.  Today will tell.

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:17, CYB said:

Hold fire on the Weed trade until this is done. We could get caught with pants down. 

Blind Freddy could tell you we will not be trading Weid if the Grundy deal can't get done. The only way the Weid deal get done beforehand is if it is part of the Grundy trade or Collingwood gives us an undertaking that the pick we get for Weid will be acceptable as part of the trade for Grundy. However given the likely low pick I doubt that will be the case.

If the Grundy deal is dead then Weid will be the backup ruck. God help Max Gawn body if that is the case.

Is there any way Weid could be part of this deal or is the Essendon deal now too much of a domino for all the other stupid trades around the league to get done?

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:38, Big Red Rooster said:

 

Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.

 

Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.

 

Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

A bold suggestion @Big Red Rooster, the colossal crimson [censored] may be on to something?

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:38, Big Red Rooster said:

 

Dees should trade out picks 13, 27 and F2 to Cats in return for their 7 and 25.  Dees trade 25 to Filth for Grundy. Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.

 

Dees free up $1m in salary cap by trading out Weids, Hunt, Bedford etc (Jackos exit covers Grundy). Dees target Whitfield (or Georgiades) by trading out our future first round pick plus what we get for Weids.

 

Dees bring in Grundy and Whitfield (or Georgiades) and go to draft with pick 7.

Not sure the cats would go fr that. OUT 7 , 25 IN 13, 27 and 35 ish. 

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:38, Big Red Rooster said:

Cats trade 13 to Filth for Henry.

Terrible deal for Geelong.  Henry is not worth anything like that.

  On 10/10/2022 at 10:06, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate our list management process so far hasn't exactly filled many supporters with great confidence so far.

Everything Tim Lamb stated at the start of trade period has gone the complete opposite.

So apologies if many are confused by the direction all of a sudden.

Still 2 days to go and still confidence we'll add some experienced depth so far. I would hope.

Lamb looking very sacrificial at the moment!

This thread is turning into a Lamb roast. Let's not judge him until the we see the final outcome, the could be some big deals yet to come through. Source: Mint.

Edited October 10, 20222 yr by TRIGON

We're a bit deep into this now and have discussed plans for Grundy in the side, I 've never been the biggest fan of the trade but it would be a shame if it fell down now. Collingwood did this to themselves. 

Collingwood will be using this bluster about a top 25 pick as a way to negotiate down their part of the salary. I sincerely hope we tell them to stuff it and will be [censored] if we end up paying more than we would have liked for the next 5 years.

  On 10/10/2022 at 21:17, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’m sure we’ll end up getting Grundy but what happens if we don’t?

Who on the list will be our first ruck if Gawn misses games?

Who will be that player to allow Gawn to be fresh and injury free come September? 

Does it matter? Ruck is the most over rated position on the ground. Dogs have gone with Bont in the ruck, Tigers have gone with Rioli at times. I'm sure we'll find some lug to bash and crash in the rookie/mid season draft if it comes to it, otherwise with our midfield it shouldn't matter anyway. 

  On 10/10/2022 at 22:28, layzie said:

We're a bit deep into this now and have discussed plans for Grundy in the side, I 've never been the biggest fan of the trade but it would be a shame if it fell down now. Collingwood did this to themselves. 

Simultaneously a shame for us and also funny at Collingwood, so somewhat of a win?

  On 10/10/2022 at 22:26, TRIGON said:

This thread is turning into a Lamb roast. Let's not judge him until the we see the final outcome, the could be some big deals yet to come through. Source: Mint.

Sorry to be dim but does "Source :Mint" mean you have a great source on this (some big deal)? 

How does Collingwoods no deal on Grundy compare to ours regarding LJ? 
 

It is clear they have no leverage and risk busting their cap, but I believe them whereas we could afford to lose LJ and potentially get him to WC but looked like a deer in headlights. 

  On 10/10/2022 at 22:43, roy11 said:

Simultaneously a shame for us and also funny at Collingwood, so somewhat of a win?

Yeah at the end of the day it is a no loss situation in terms of humour! 

  On 10/10/2022 at 22:47, CYB said:

How does Collingwoods no deal on Grundy compare to ours regarding LJ? 
 

It is clear they have no leverage and risk busting their cap, but I believe them whereas we could afford to lose LJ and potentially get him to WC but looked like a deer in headlights. 

Grundy in contract.  Jackson wasn't.

They are bluffing.  They want to get Fiorini from GCS and Mitchell from Hawks.  If they keep Grundy they have neither the sal cap nor draft picks to do those trades.

A pick within first 25 was their ambit claim.  As others have said about our trades there is no reason to meet what they want.  Even tho he is under contract they don't want him.  Not much leverage.

Call their bluff!