Farewell Brodie Grundy

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,431]

34 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

And go into the season with one recognised ruckman?

They're posturing... We should do the same

Postpone any Weed trade until Grundy done and dusted

Can Weed become a poor man's Cam Pedersen... 🤷‍♂️

Loved 2018 Pedersen ❤️💙

[The end is nigh 305]

My thoughts are that they’ll take 27 but will renegotiate what that means for portioning grundys pay (how much it ends up being we will unlikely never know)

[dazzledavey36 49,739]

1 hour ago, A F said:

Jeepers you're swing like the breeze mate. So reactionary. 

Mate our list management process so far hasn't exactly filled many supporters with great confidence so far.

Everything Tim Lamb stated at the start of trade period has gone the complete opposite.

So apologies if many are confused by the direction all of a sudden.

Still 2 days to go and still confidence we'll add some experienced depth so far. I would hope.

[deva5610 970]

I don't get all the anger directed to Tim Lamb. Doesn't it make sense that he sets the targets high initially? It's the exact perfect strategy.

He's not going to come out and say "Yeah mate, we want a Camry for this" and have no room to negotiate when offered a Camira. You say "We want a Ferrari and nothing else" and then negotiate to the Camry you were really after.

To do anything else would be silly.

Edited October 10, 2022 by deva5610

[Binmans PA 26,665]

33 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate our list management process so far hasn't exactly filled many supporters with great confidence so far.

Everything Tim Lamb stated at the start of trade period has gone the complete opposite.

So apologies if many are confused by the direction all of a sudden.

Still 2 days to go and still confidence we'll add some experienced depth so far. I would hope.

I just think to be hyperventilating over this stuff before we can see the sum of all parts is just needlessly working yourself up.

Quite happy to join some of that commentary once the trade and draft periods are over (if our list remains as it stands currently), but earlier than that is premature. And it's rarely good to be premature.

[ChaserJ 4,087]

6 minutes ago, A F said:

I just think to be hyperventilating over this stuff before we can see the sum of all parts is just needlessly working yourself up.

Quite happy to join some of that commentary once the trade and draft periods are over (if our list remains as it stands currently), but earlier than that is premature. And it's rarely good to be premature.

Even further, we may not know the true outcome until the end of next years draft period.

[Binmans PA 26,665]

8 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Even further, we may not know the true outcome until the end of next years draft period.

Agreed. But I'll be happy to say it's risky if at the end of this year's trade and draft period, we only have Gawn and Grundy as a ruckmen.

Otherwise, yes, I'll probably reserve judgement until next year 

[titan_uranus 23,136]

Collingwood saying they are prepared to keep Grundy is a classic, but wholly transparent, negotiating ploy.

They can see we just traded Jackson. They perceive we're more desperate to get Grundy. They know we now have pick 13. So they try to scare us into upping our bid.

But does anyone actually think they will keep him? They've treated him like dirt. They've just signed McStay to a reported $600k salary. They've brought in Bobby Hill. They want Tom Mitchell and his contract. And they are digging their heels in on Ollie Henry too.

Does anyone think they will risk retaining Henry or getting Mitchell, and/or re-signing whoever is out of contract next year, just to retain a ruck they have made clear for months they want to move on from?

[HarpenDee 181]

Would be disappointing to have to trade weid to get 44 to tag on to 27 to give to the Pies for Grundy when we gave away 43 and 53 to turn 33 into 27.

[spirit of norm smith 13,578]

Tim Lamb. Hold the ground. Show us you backup the words. Do not blink in this negotiation.
It’s pick 27 or nothing.  
 

[Redleg 38,445]

24 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tim Lamb. Hold the ground. Show us you backup the words. Do not blink in this negotiation.
It’s pick 27 or nothing.  
 

They are not keeping $1m per year for 5 years in their salary cap. They have just re signed Jordy, plus brought others in.

He is ours for 27, end of story.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,786]

4 hours ago, adonski said:

Collingwood are threatening to hang on to Brodie Grundy after Melbourne refused a proposal to swap first round picks as part of the deal for the ruckman, which came on a busy day of trades which saw the Demons finally complete a three-club deal to get Luke Jackson to Fremantle.

Melbourne have refused to offer more than pick 27 for the two-time All-Australian ruckman, who is contracted to Collingwood for five more years on big money. Collingwood have offered to pay some of Grundy’s contract at Melbourne.

Collingwood had said at the outset of trade talks they wanted a draft pick inside 25 for Grundy. In early trades Melbourne secured pick 27, a selection Collingwood said is insufficient on its own to do the Grundy deal.

On Monday Melbourne received pick 13 as part of the exchange that saw Jackson finally land at Fremantle. Collingwood have proposed trading Grundy and pick 16 to Melbourne for the Demons’ picks 13 and 27. Melbourne has rejected this.

Collingwood could alternatively seek to revise down slightly the amount of money they contribute to Grundy’s salary in exchange for accepting the slightly later pick. The club has also said they are prepared to keep the ruckman and abandon the trade.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-threatens-to-hang-on-to-grundy-dockers-secure-jackson-bombers-snare-setterfield-suns-giants-make-moves-20221010-p5bonr.html

[censored] them. Don't budge on the picks (27 is more than enough) and don't budge on the salary (this is really what they want I reckon). We can do without Grundy, they can't do with his salary on the books.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,786]

3 hours ago, mo64 said:

For starters, what we got for Jackson .... was spot on

 

Rubbish.

[John Demonic 4,970]

Missed all of todays news, but a quick browse of reddit suggests that there is a rumour that 5 player benches are coming next year and that is why Collingwood want to keep him now? Has there Been a discussion on this, or is it fluff?

Edited October 10, 2022 by John Demonic

[Binmans PA 26,665]

37 minutes ago, Redleg said:

They are not keeping $1m per year for 5 years in their salary cap. They have just re signed Jordy, plus brought others in.

He is ours for 27, end of story.

Again, this posturing for their fans, so it appears they didn't lie down straight away and say thank you daddy.

Edited October 10, 2022 by A F

[whatwhat say what 20,306]

1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

Missed all of todays news, but a quick browse of reddit suggests that there is a rumour that 5 benches are coming next year and that is why Collingwood want to keep him now? Has there Been a discussion on this?

yeah, it's been rumoured for half a year

the filth don't want to keep him; i very much doubt they could afford to do so

it's all posturing

[John Demonic 4,970]

5 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

yeah, it's been rumoured for half a year

the filth don't want to keep him; i very much doubt they could afford to do so

it's all posturing

Bit confused by all of this really - they bring in the injury sub, limit the rotations, want players fatigued, get the game looking pretty decent as an overall product with the stand rule and 666, but now they may add a change that could alter everything they've done in the past 5 years?  Just let both teams use their sub either any time, or if one team uses it. And then there's no need for a 5th player on the bench. 

But yeah, smells like posturing of course - it's been a stalemate all week, nothing has changed - we should've let Collingwood pressure Freo for that Nth 2nd round pick, maybe they'd be better than us at getting their way.

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by John Demonic

[Garbo 1,373]

Tomorrow at 8pm if the deal falls over 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Garbo

[Nascent 7,700]

6 hours ago, Purple77 said:

I hate how Geelong gave up less for pick 25 than what we gave up for 27.

This isn't the case.

We gave up 33, 43 and 53 for 27

Points system is [censored] but essentially we gave 1174 in points and received 703 points. The alleged value of those extra picks to port equals pick 38.

Geelong gave up 38, 48 and 55 as well as a F2 and F4 which, if they are premiers again, would be 36 and 72.

36, 38, 48, 55, 72 = 1495 points while receiving 756 points. The alleged value of those extra picks to Brisbane here is pick 26 and will only increase in value for every drop on ladder position Geelong has.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Nascent

[KingDingAling 3,683]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Tim Lamb. Hold the ground. Show us you backup the words. Do not blink in this negotiation.
It’s pick 27 or nothing.  
 

We are a club known to bend in trade periods.

[bing181 8,355]

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Mate our list management process so far hasn't exactly filled many supporters with great confidence so far.

Speak for yourself.

[rpfc 27,673]

4 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

We are a club known to bend in trade periods.

We are a club known to get what it wants done, and not sweat small distractions like what ‘value’ we are supposed to get on individual deals. 

Like the flag winning defence that ‘we paid too much for’…

[spirit of norm smith 13,578]

Pies will have to accept pick 27. Dees must simply hold the line.  
I agree with earlier poster… We can do without Grundy, they can't do with his salary on the books.

[The Jackson FIX 2,307]

10 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pies will have to accept pick 27. Dees must simply hold the line.  
I agree with earlier poster… We can do without Grundy, they can't do with his salary on the books.

I’m curious - who rucks if Max gets injured?

[Demonsterative 2,338]

2 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I’m curious - who rucks if Max gets injured?

Bowser… 😳😂