Trade and Free Agency rumours

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16 hours ago, adonski said:

Was that barbecue or original?

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20 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

You realise he's a key defender yeah? His main role is to prevent his opponent and the opposition scoring. I'd rather him average 9 disposals a game and average 1 goal against then average 20 disposals a game and 4 goals against...

Try and educate yourself on the modern game. Attack is usually launched from defence. I’m not saying he’s a spud. I’m saying that right now he is not playing to AFL level. His performances are not warranting selection. Locking down a defender isn’t enough in the 2s to play seniors, you need to win the footy and attack. 

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11 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Posters keep perpetuating this myth about Grundy and it's just not true.

2022 is the only year in his career that he's hasn't played the vast majority of games.

Very true.

If we take out his first two years when he was only young and starting out, he has averaged 19.37 games per year and that includes his 6 this year. If we remove this year then it is an average of 21.28 over 7 years.

That is impressive.

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1 minute ago, Action Jackson said:

Very true.

If we take out his first two years when he was only young and starting out, he has averaged 19.37 games per year and that includes his 6 this year. If we remove this year then it is an average of 21.28 over 7 years.

That is impressive.

Think it's just the nature of this injury and him being on the verge of 30 that worries people. He does otherwise have a pretty healthy record. 

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39 minutes ago, MoeSyzlak said:

Try and educate yourself on the modern game. Attack is usually launched from defence. I’m not saying he’s a spud. I’m saying that right now he is not playing to AFL level. His performances are not warranting selection. Locking down a defender isn’t enough in the 2s to play seniors, you need to win the footy and attack. 

Actually to be fair he was performing well enough to be selected and was selected against Collingwood - unfortunately he was concussed with a heavy knock in that game - I am very confident that the FD have a very different view on this young mans potential than you do 

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1 hour ago, MoeSyzlak said:

Try and educate yourself on the modern game. Attack is usually launched from defence. I’m not saying he’s a spud. I’m saying that right now he is not playing to AFL level. His performances are not warranting selection. Locking down a defender isn’t enough in the 2s to play seniors, you need to win the footy and attack. 

You said he's struggling (your words), not that he's not dominating.

Turner is averaging 10.5 disposals a match. In the AFL Petty averaged 10.6 this year. Should he be dropped?

Maybe you should educate yourself on the modern game. Everyone has a role, and the coaches obviously believe Turner has played his well enough to get a senior game this year.

Now I'm not for a moment saying he'll be a star. But in no way has he struggled in the VFL this year.

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9 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

You said he's struggling (your words), not that he's not dominating.

Turner is averaging 10.5 disposals a match. In the AFL Petty averaged 10.6 this year. Should he be dropped?

Maybe you should educate yourself on the modern game. Everyone has a role, and the coaches obviously believe Turner has played his well enough to get a senior game this year.

Now I'm not for a moment saying he'll be a star. But in no way has he struggled in the VFL this year.

Agree and I'll say it once more H Petty IMO is our best defender - yes better than May and Lever

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On 9/14/2022 at 9:04 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Really disappointing to hear that we're set to recontract Jake Melksham. Michael Hibberd I can understand because he has been consistent with his form all year, but Melksham..?

He's last couple of games showed that he's just past it. Other then the Carlton game he didn't much in any other games and he was incredibly poor against Sydney.

Played as the 2nd tall forward forward so that alone has chewed games off Jacob Van Rooyen who once again justified on the weekend that he was physically ready to go.

He's going to be 32 next year and our focus needs to be on the next wave of talent coming through like Laurie, Chandler, Bedford and Moniz-Wakefield. 

If we can get an extra list spot to bring in another developing tall forward/ruckman then surely that makes more sense then keeping washed up 32 year old forward flanker.

 

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I am so happy for a team that knocked us out of the finals, to know that they are getting the number 1 kid in the draft, while getting to a PF and are also picking up another father /son in Fletcher.

Some are saying Ashcroft could have a Nick Daicos like impact in his first season.

 

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3 hours ago, grazman said:

We might have different opinions as to what a required player is.   He spent most of the year at Casey - he's got one more year to run on a contract on reasonable $ for a guy that's likely again to spend the best part of 2023 kicking the dew off  unless there are some significant injuries to key backs - and as @old55 has said the first in line appears to be Dan Turner anyway.

I can absolutely see a situation where Tomo requests a trade in his own best interests and I can absolutely see the club agreeing to it if it helps them free up some TPP room.  

Norf definitely need some key backs. Harry McKay can't do it all on his own and Aiden Corr hasn't quite lived up to his role as the 2nd key defender. Tomo would be a great fit for them. A late second round or early third should be suitable value for a decent defender such as him. 

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2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Posters keep perpetuating this myth about Grundy and it's just not true.

2022 is the only year in his career that he's hasn't played the vast majority of games.

20 and 21 were injury hampered though. To go injury hampered x 2 then injured for pretty much an entire season with 2 different injuries (one contact, one overuse) is at least a worry.

I’d say a 3 year sample is probably a decent guide for the type of player you are. It’s not 100% guaranteed that he can’t reproduce his 2019 form but it’s not just the one year of missing games.

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5 hours ago, rjay said:

Exactly

Why?

I get the idea of Lobb, but surely we can find a better alternative.

A huge problem for us in terms of Jackson leaving is how few players there are in the AFL who can play as a tall forward and reliving ruck.

And players who fit that bill AND who are gettable right now are as rare as hen's teeth.

We need a ready made replacement, no a draftee. 

Who else is even remotely available other than Lobb?

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Is this the 'pot our players' thread or one to discuss trades and free agency?

Not sure what Disco has done wrong to cop what has come his way.

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8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

20 and 21 were injury hampered though. To go injury hampered x 2 then injured for pretty much an entire season with 2 different injuries (one contact, one overuse) is at least a worry.

I’d say a 3 year sample is probably a decent guide for the type of player you are. It’s not 100% guaranteed that he can’t reproduce his 2019 form but it’s not just the one year of missing games.

2020 he played every single game that the filth were in and finished =7th in their best and fairest

2021 he missed 2 games and finished 6th

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51 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

You said he's struggling (your words), not that he's not dominating.

Turner is averaging 10.5 disposals a match. In the AFL Petty averaged 10.6 this year. Should he be dropped?

Maybe you should educate yourself on the modern game. Everyone has a role, and the coaches obviously believe Turner has played his well enough to get a senior game this year.

Now I'm not for a moment saying he'll be a star. But in no way has he struggled in the VFL this year.

Petty needs to get 5 more disposals a game at the AFL level and Turner needs to get 5 more at VFL. Both are talented talls with the ball. Turner has midfielders instincts with his ground ball and handballing and can run the ball.

I’m sure he’s been coached up defensive first and the ball has often been at the other end. Doesn’t mean he’s not ready for a role in the afl side but in general for guys to stick at afl level they should dominate VFL. Maybe it all happens in one summer for him but I expect Turner to go up another level of performance at Casey during next season before breaking in to the side.

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4 minutes ago, binman said:

A huge problem for us in terms of Jackson leaving is how few players there are in the AFL who can play as a tall forward and reliving ruck.

And players who fit that bill AND who are gettable right now are as rare as hen's teeth.

We need a ready made replacement, no a draftee. 

Who else is even remotely available other than Lobb?

I would hold 'bin'...if we get another ruck (Grundy) and a developing ruck., then we will have Weid and Tommy who can pinch hit if needed.

A player like Gunston might be a better bet then than Lobb, he's certainly a proven finals performer. Lob isn't.

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4 hours ago, MoeSyzlak said:

He played 14 games and in 6 he got 9 possessions or less. I watched the games. Towards the end of the season he didn’t do much. In the last round he had 5 touches and 1 mark and in prelim he was unsighted. 
 

Got some potential for sure but he’s not exactly bashing the door down for senior selection. 

Way off it i'm afraid. Possessions as a measure for a full back is not a good measure.  If he scores high on possession the team is not functioning well upfield.  The team is functioning upfield, so he doesn't touch it as much.  The thing with Turner when you watch him, as I have all year, is that his class/poise and disposal are already elite at the VFL level - and without doubt stand out.  You then add to this his clear mongrel bastard attitude and reading of the game, and it's really no surprise that he is in the AFL frame.  Speaking of frame - his is one that can really develop in an AFL environment, and while much is said of JVRs weight gain frame etc, I think that ultimately TURNER will be bigger and stronger than him - the gains Turner has made since he came into the club looking like a McGovern type are extraordinary. I have no doubt we are looking at another country kid ala Jordan Lewis who in a professional environment (winning environment) will really really grow well.  He's gone past Tomlinson - who also unfortunately has ZERO upside. 

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2 hours ago, layzie said:

Think it's just the nature of this injury and him being on the verge of 30 that worries people. He does otherwise have a pretty healthy record. 

That's more relevant than his previous great run with injury. We're picking up someone in their late 20's on a 5 year deal, who's just had back to back long term injuries. 

To say he's injury prone may not be correct, but his long term durability is questionable.

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2 minutes ago, rjay said:

I would hold 'bin'...if we get another ruck (Grundy) and a developing ruck., then we will have Weid and Tommy who can pinch hit if needed.

A player like Gunston might be a better bet then than Lobb, he's certainly a proven finals performer. Lob isn't.

I think the 700K pricetag is a massive deterrent on Lobb.   He has some occasionally good moments with marks/goals, but has lacked consistency his entire career.  

Also could not really see Gawn/Grundy/Lobb/BB in the same team....unless our plan is to hug one side of the ground hoping they are going to clunk everything. *Please Simon, NO!

Could see Petty being used as a forward.  Not just for his strong marking ability but his ability to win ground balls and tackle.

I think someone like BB is going to have real issues getting a game given he is a liability once the ball hits the ground.

Even big forwards must pressure these days.

 

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10 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

2020 he played every single game that the filth were in and finished =7th in their best and fairest

2021 he missed 2 games and finished 6th

In 2021 Sidebottom finished 5th and was barely trying. Roughead finished 8th and never played again.
 

Grundy’s results came from turning up to most games and not being a terrible with a few good games mixed in. 

He was a perfectly fine starting ruck, in the range between 3rd best and 10th best ruck of the season.

2 years of that plus a year out means the expectations should be for more of that level than his ‘star’ level previous to that.

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48 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am so happy for a team that knocked us out of the finals, to know that they are getting the number 1 kid in the draft, while getting to a PF and are also picking up another father /son in Fletcher.

Some are saying Ashcroft could have a Nick Daicos like impact in his first season.

 

At least it won't be due to an inconsistent academy program. Father sons are just luck of the draw I guess. (Hopefully we'll get some luck over the coming years with Nathan Brown's and Jeff White's sons...)

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22 minutes ago, binman said:

A huge problem for us in terms of Jackson leaving is how few players there are in the AFL who can play as a tall forward and reliving ruck.

And players who fit that bill AND who are gettable right now are as rare as hen's teeth.

We need a ready made replacement, no a draftee. 

Who else is even remotely available other than Lobb?

I liked Himmelberg from the Crows, not quite ruck size but close enough but the crows have kept him. Frampton is more of a key defender/ruck but seems Pies bound.

Sydney would part with one of Amartey or McLean if you made them a big overs offer for fringe players.

The cats would probably part with Esava. Shannon Neale they’d like to keep but maybe if you went hard for him and could persuade him to fight out of a contract.

It’s absolutely a limited market.

It’s probably easier to solve with playing 2 rucks (as seems to be the plan). Or getting a good back to use as needed through the season and going with 1 ruck and 3 tall forwards come September (which would be my plan).

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2 hours ago, Sydee said:

Actually to be fair he was performing well enough to be selected and was selected against Collingwood - unfortunately he was concussed with a heavy knock in that game - I am very confident that the FD have a very different view on this young mans potential than you do 

Then why didn’t they select him again the rest of the year?
 

He has potential for sure. 

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28 minutes ago, rjay said:

I would hold 'bin'...if we get another ruck (Grundy) and a developing ruck., then we will have Weid and Tommy who can pinch hit if needed.

A player like Gunston might be a better bet then than Lobb, he's certainly a proven finals performer. Lob isn't.

Weid is a hail Mary. And if he is pinch hitting the ruck that means, in all likelihood plays forward the rest of the time. He couldn't break into the teams a forward this season when we desperately needed a second tall forward. Can't see it happening next year, regardless of how good he is as a second ruck (and i rate his ruck work)

And as much as i rate Tmac, and in particular the role he plays for us, he is at the tail end of his career, and a lisfranc is crap injury for any player, but particularly for a fella who is 100kg and his role involves running 10 plus kms every game.

We need another genuine tall forward. 

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14 hours ago, A F said:

Yep, I reckon you're spot on.

I can just see our list management strategy meeting down at Rye.

Tim Lamb: So, do we keep Melksham everyone?

Jason Taylor: I think it might be time to go back to the well and see what we can get from draft instead.

Alan Richardson: I agree. Let's cut him.

Simon Goodwin: Hang on a second guys. I'm really good mates with Melky.

Tim Lamb: Oh yeah. You are too.

Alan Richardson: Good point. Maybe we keep him.

Jason Taylor: Yeah, fair enough. I was forgetting you guys were good mates, Goody. Let's keep him. Stuff the draft pool.

Just regurgitated rubbish that some on here espouse.

Watching him at Casey he is a great mentor to the younger boys but we have also seen him play some great games but unfortunately now lacks the consistency. He was preparing for the "after life" so another year probably on reduced pay would be seen as a bonus to him but as mentioned he would be likely to play a slightly different role.