Is David Noble the new Mark Neeld?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

7 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Incredibly, Zurhaar is not the last name to have played VFL/AFL when you list alphabetically.

Anybody know who the last player is?  Or the first?  (No googling, now!)

I seem to recall successful VFA player, Vic Aanensen, might have played (with South Melbourne, maybe?) Is he first? Otherwise, Jake Aarts

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53 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He would fix one of our remaining two areas of concern immediately, but realistically we would be no chance to get him. The AFL would probably try and veto any deal.

While I don’t mind Tomlinson, I would offer any and all of him, Chandler, Laurie, Baker and Melksham to get Larkey.

We probably can't afford him, nor do we have anything to give North. Any idea what his contract status is? 

 

[Demonstone 21,966]

LDvC is correct with Vic Aanensen (South Melbourne) being the first player on the alphabetical list.

Coincidentally, we are playing Geelong this week and the last player alphabetically ran around for the Cats (in the 80s).

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Demonstone

[Sir Why You Little 36,744]

6 hours ago, layzie said:

Getting Walsh in to review their football department is a positive action but when you hear the word 'culture' bandied around as a cause of their problems you'd think it needs to go deeper than that. 

It’s a waste of time and money 

The Place is stuffed from top to bottom 

All Positions need to be refilled. 3 Recruitment Staff Walked out at the Same time

They don’t need a review, it’s gone past that

[Mickey 4,524]

 

Worth a read re: North's early season justification of their form. Talks a lot about GPS and running numbers, which sounds oddly like the Neeld era. I remember someone recently (may have been Jonesy) talking about that era, saying our running numbers were amazing. But that doesn't help you if you can't play footy.

“In terms of definitive KPIs, our pre-season GPS comparisons (these are confidential, by the way) showed that the total volume of distance covered across the group increased year on year by 10% and the high intensity running and sprint training volumes were both up by over 30%. Clearly coming off a low base.”

Edited July 5, 2022 by Mickey
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[Demonstone 21,966]

6 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Coincidentally, we are playing Geelong this week and the last player alphabetically ran around for the Cats (in the 80s).

 

That player was Peter Zychla.  He only managed 12 games over three seasons and is not well known.

[dees189227 12,299]

Remember we were that bad that the AFL sent Peter Jackson in to sort our club out. Not sure who can help nth but this will get ugly

[chookrat 4,216]

14 hours ago, Supermercado said:

Forget curing diseases and flying to Mars, I want to invest in virtual reality technology that allows us to play classics like Melbourne 2013 vs North 2022. I think we'd just win but it would be a ripper.

Neeld very lucky to get three of his five wins against GWS when they were rubbish. If nothing else - and there isn't much - he can say he was 3-0 against Kevin Sheedy and coached our highest scoring fourth quarter of all time.

I remember being at that game, going into the 4th quarter pretty much out of the game and bang! Judy Garland went beastmode.

[layzie 33,304]

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s a waste of time and money 

The Place is stuffed from top to bottom 

All Positions need to be refilled. 3 Recruitment Staff Walked out at the Same time

They don’t need a review, it’s gone past that

Agree, the word culture is talked about a lot with this and surely that comes from the top. 

[DubDee 24,764]

Noble the sacrifical lamb.  Norm Smith and Roosy would not have done any better.  they are still bottoming out. and have MFC 2013 level talent

Gotta feel for the bloke

[Demons1858 1,732]

11 hours ago, layzie said:

Agree, the word culture is talked about a lot with this and surely that comes from the top. 

When you bottom out you have to be careful to leave enough older leaders that they can follow to understand the culture and standards. Mfc made the same mistakes. Otherwise you are waiting 5 years for the kids to have the presence and confidence to build and support it themselves which has too many risks attached to it ... guys like BB and Tarrant should still be there helping the team on field and off field

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On 7/5/2022 at 8:38 AM, Little Goffy said:

The main similarity between Noble & Neeld is of course that it will never be known if they could have been an effective coach if only they had been at a functional club.

His way of dealing with and approaching players, his setting of expectations that were setting him up to fail, his feeling he'd 'made it' just by getting a senior position and his emotional meltdowns during our darkest hours would be proof enough.

However, I'd say Neeld going to Essendon and being moved on because he was being an active blockage between the line coaches and Woosha definitively and unambiguously showed he was never going to be a competent head coach. 

While Noble had that one story come out about him blasting the players, it hasn't been a steady drip feed of damning anecdotes and innuendo like Neeld. He clearly isn't the man for this job, but the job was pretty bloody tough to start with. He, like Rhyce Shaw, was set up to fail.

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Colin B. Flaubert
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15 hours ago, layzie said:

Agree, the word culture is talked about a lot with this and surely that comes from the top. 

The club can create a supportive environment but the players set the culture.

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2 hours ago, Jontee said:

The club can create a supportive environment but the players set the culture.

Well, yes and no. If youngsters are coming into a basket case of a setup then they don't stand a chance of changing the overall culture.

I agree that you need more older wiser heads keeping things in check on field and whoever said Brown and Tarrant should still be there for this is absolutely right. However I fully believe culture starts from the top in any organisation. The Board/CEO brings in the right Coach/Footy department and the Coach/Footy department then brings in rhe right players. 

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[layzie 33,304]

Here we go again.

[dee-tox 4,835]

Is Roosy still a consultant there?

 

[deeTRACted 406]

I really feel for him. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,063]

Very sad.

A good man and an excellent football person brought to this due to incompetence by the non-coaching people before him.

He will be snapped up by another club in another coaching or football role. 

If we had a spot I would happily have him at the dees.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[layzie 33,304]

Total basketcase of a club. How many new coaches is this beast going to ruin?

Go all in for Clarko now, might as well for the Hobart years. 

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David Noble has a lot of credits across the AFL community. He will move on and find a better role.

As for North, whose going to put their hand up to do this job now? Inexperienced coach wasn’t supported, and now an experienced guy is gone less than 2 years later.

AFL will have their fingerprints all over what happens next you’d think - unless of course they are happy to see Victorian clubs gone. Interesting times.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Noble seems like a particularly decent human being. The North administration desperately needs a Peter Jackson

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

I feel for David Noble. I also wonder about how John Noble feels? He was part of the Collingwood team that overran North on the weekend. He may well be feeling substantial guilt in his father's demise. I could imagine he might believe that if North had won that game, his father might still be coach of North. It's like an ancient Greek tragedy.

 

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4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I feel for David Noble. I also wonder about how John Noble feels? He was part of the Collingwood team that overran North on the weekend. He may well be feeling substantial guilt in his father's demise. I could imagine he might believe that if North had won that game, his father might still be coach of North. It's like an ancient Greek tragedy.

 

This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the two shaking hands after the game!

[Lord Travis 10,527]

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

Is Roosy still a consultant there?

 

Yep, sitting on a beach in Hawaii sipping cocktails while North burns. Roos is a great footy person, but doesn’t seem to have been entirely invested in North!