On 26/07/2022 at 01:01, bluey said:

Why does his Manager have to fly to Melbourne?

Wouldn't he have a computer.

Would you employ a manager who didn't handle contracts potentially worth millions of dollars in person?

 

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:04, Lord Nev said:

Would you employ a manager who didn't handle contracts potentially worth millions of dollars in person?

 

Nope, the dealing with detail would have been negotiated over a period of time.

Sounds like BS to me having to fly to Melbourne to read and sign off the contract.

I don’t believe it.

I really don't blame him for taking his time and ensuring the best possible deal.  This will be the norm for all players across all teams going forward so sadly, we're all going to have to get used to it.  Especially now that we have great players and coaching staff.

Personally, I left my employer 3 years ago where we had an amazing culture and some of my best friends worked.  I was made a wonderful offer from a competitor at about $60k more than I was on (chump change difference compared to AB/LJ I'm sure)

I left on good terms and started the new gig where I hated the culture and struggled to form relationships with my new team consistently missing my old colleagues.  At times, I seriously regretted my decision.

I then left the new role a couple months back and was re-employed by my old employer and back to getting more enjoyment working with better people again on a lower base pay.  I'm quite happy to own the 'mercenary tag' around the office banter.

The decision to change, although hard, has set my family up for life.  So although it was hard and challenging, I would do it again as I'd always put my family first.

AB & LJ are never going to get these offers again.  I'd be very sad if either left (especially AB) but would understand completely why.

What are people on about?  nothing in that interview made me think he will leave. How can you be surprised Gus would factor the position he is playing/will play into his decision to sign on?  He has gone from Mid to wing and now Half back in his prime.  Completely fair enough he would want some idea where he might play. He said he loves playing half back, said it multiple times.

And he is well within his rights to take his time with signing the biggest contract of his life.

I have no doubt he will stay

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:14, Deeko2 said:

I really don't blame him for taking his time and ensuring the best possible deal.  This will be the norm for all players across all teams going forward so sadly, we're all going to have to get used to it.  Especially now that we have great players and coaching staff.

Personally, I left my employer 3 years ago where we had an amazing culture and some of my best friends worked.  I was made a wonderful offer from a competitor at about $60k more than I was on (chump change difference compared to AB/LJ I'm sure)

I left on good terms and started the new gig where I hated the culture and struggled to form relationships with my new team consistently missing my old colleagues.  At times, I seriously regretted my decision.

I then left the new role a couple months back and was re-employed by my old employer and back to getting more enjoyment working with better people again on a lower base pay.  I'm quite happy to own the 'mercenary tag' around the office banter.

The decision to change, although hard, has set my family up for life.  So although it was hard and challenging, I would do it again as I'd always put my family first.

AB & LJ are never going to get these offers again.  I'd be very sad if either left (especially AB) but would understand completely why.

I don't - they can go 

Pavlich - stayed

Cripps - stayed

Watts - stayed

Dusty - stayed

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:19, jumbo returns said:

I don't - they can go 

Pavlich - stayed

Cripps - stayed

Watts - stayed

Dusty - stayed

Don't quote me as I'm not 100% sure but I'm thinking Pav and Cripps still would have been the highest paid players at the clubs plus they were club captains which might add another layer of buy in/loyalty from the player.

Dusty got the record deal from the Tiges so he won out in the end.  Watts - well, I don't really worry about him anymore.

I know nothing about our contracts so again, I'm guessing but I'd be thinking the offers to AB & LJ would definitely be less then Trac and Oliver and most likely less than May, Lever and Gawn as well.

They could go somewhere else and be the number# 1 man. 

It'd be ridiculous not to take the call

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:19, DubDee said:

What are people on about?  nothing in that interview made me think he will leave. How can you be surprised Gus would factor the position he is playing/will play into his decision to sign on?  He has gone from Mid to wing and now Half back in his prime.  Completely fair enough he would want some idea where he might play. He said he loves playing half back, said it multiple times.

And he is well within his rights to take his time with signing the biggest contract of his life.

I have no doubt he will stay

I know nothing but why is it assumed that Gus' remark about factoring in where on the field he is expected to play automatically means he is hankering for mid-field.  After all these years, is it not possible that other clubs want him to play there and he doesn't want to now?

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:26, Deeko2 said:

Don't quote me as I'm not 100% sure but I'm thinking Pav and Cripps still would have been the highest paid players at the clubs plus they were club captains which might add another layer of buy in/loyalty from the player.

Dusty got the record deal from the Tiges so he won out in the end.  Watts - well, I don't really worry about him anymore.

I know nothing about our contracts so again, I'm guessing but I'd be thinking the offers to AB & LJ would definitely be less then Trac and Oliver and most likely less than May, Lever and Gawn as well.

They could go somewhere else and be the number# 1 man. 

It'd be ridiculous not to take the call

So a premiership was the cherry on top and the hunger is gone?

Even if he does re-sign with us, this lengthy affair will leave a sour taste in my mouth. Especially given how the team is performing. It's obviously unfair to pin the whole team performance on Gus' contract negotiations, but it would be hard not to see this as yet another example of the apparent decline in our selfless and team-first mentality.

If he does leave, we would get an average compensation pick at best. 

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:37, sue said:

I know nothing but why is it assumed that Gus' remark about factoring in where on the field he is expected to play automatically means he is hankering for mid-field.  After all these years, is it not possible that other clubs want him to play there and he doesn't want to now?

I think the whole "Gus wants midfield time" is nonsense. Over the past 2 seasons we've seen players change clubs and the narrative was that they would get midfield time.  Zac Williams and Jye Caldwell were both given midfield time at their new clubs, but it didn't take long for their new clubs to realise that they were a liability in that role. The Bombers were playing Caldwell in the middle and using Merrett off half back. Unsurprisingly, since Merrett has gone back as a permanent mid, the Bombers have started winning games.

If a club is using that as a selling point to Gus, then you would have to question their professionalism.

I reckon it’s pretty evident that Brayshaw’s just trying to pump up his future contract with the club as well as the position issue. Clarry did the same thing 2 years ago and people were freaking out (meeting with Carlton etc) but now he’s a demon for life. 

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by Foopy on the telly

Decision making is different for all, I recall Tom McDonald saying he was so relieved to get his deal done, released pressure on him.

Brayshaw is obviously different, playing great, so it isn’t impacting his play. In his shoes with his concussion history I would be keen to get a deal signed asap. Anyway he is weighing up pros and cons while trying to get best deal, which is just smart:

Demons staying Pros:

Happy at Demons playing with great mates

Playing great on half back as he did on wing last year

Standing in club as a leader (also Gus & Gawny)

Premiership player ( chance to win more)

Will get a very good deal (600k for 5yrs)

Financially post career will potentially be more reward as a one club player (ok this is totally my personal view)

Leaving pros:

If he wants to play in midfield, better chance elsewhere

Higher salary longer term (might get an extra 200k per year and get an extra year on deal, after tax means approx an extra 104k per annum)

Fresh start to reinvigorate 

Risk cons of leaving:

Move doesn’t work out, culture, coach, other players (as Deeko2 said in their post, left for an extra 60k but didn’t like culture etc, moved back 3 years later)

 

Waiting might get Gus an extra $50k a season or maybe an extra year on his deal, that could close the gap on rival offers, time will tell!

Also heard a few Hawk players say after winning flag, motivation during season harder to find, as it can be a bit ho him after excitement of finals and flag. But when September comes around and Grand Prize is 2-4 games away, the players motivation and hunger comes back. Hopefully this happens for the Demons!!

Edited July 26, 20222 yr by D4Life
Minor correction

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:13, Foopy on the telly said:

I reckon it’s pretty evident that Brayshaw’s just trying to pump up his future contract with the club as well as the position issue. Clarry did the same thing 2 years ago and people were freaking out (meeting with Carlton etc) but now he’s a demon for life. 

Spot on. If he knew he was going, no chance he would jump on SEN and add more attention to the issue. 

He is trying to add more uncertainty than there is, to force Dees to lift their offer. Not great, at a time when we need everyone to buy in to team first, but it is what it is. 

On the other side, surely Dees have seen enough to pay him what he is worth. 

  On 26/07/2022 at 00:23, Megatron said:

Am I the only one that isn’t concerned about the interview? 
I thought he was pretty positive. He stated the really enjoys playing off the half back flank, loves the playing group. It’s the biggest decision in his playing career and he just wants to make sure he’s covering all bases before he commits. 

I’m with you Megatron, and I get the same ‘gut feel’ from Goody’s presser this morning.

Listened to the interview and I think he is being honest and hasn’t decided yet. 
When he said that his position comes into the “calculations” I took that to mean just that maybe he will be offered more money if he is getting a run through the midfield at another club. 
Unfortunately I don’t think he will make his mind up until after the season is over. A lot can still change between now and then.

For example if Fyfe didn’t get back playing this season he might retire and free up more cap space for Freo.

Gus won’t have the all the final offers in front of him until after the season is over. If  one of those offers is an extra million bucks over 5 years as D4LIfe suggest then it’s not an easy call more so if that offer comes from a club in a Prem window.

 

 

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:35, Colm said:

Listened to the interview and I think he is being honest and hasn’t decided yet. 
When he said that his position comes into the “calculations” I took that to mean just that maybe he will be offered more money if he is getting a run through the midfield at another club. 
Unfortunately I don’t think he will make his mind up until after the season is over. A lot can still change between now and then.

For example if Fyfe didn’t get back playing this season he might retire and free up more cap space for Freo.

Gus won’t have the all the final offers in front of him until after the season is over. If  one of those offers is an extra million bucks over 5 years as D4LIfe suggest then it’s not an easy call more so if that offer comes from a club in a Prem window.

 

 

And whether we get our act together and give ourselves best chance for flag vs wasting an opportunity and falling away, might be a factor in his decision. 

Over it.

These distractions are certainly not helping our on field performance. 

Flag opportunities come around so rarely, and I would be furious if we let this one slip due to all these off field issues.

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:40, Jaded No More said:

Over it.

These distractions are certainly not helping our on field performance. 

Flag opportunities come around so rarely, and I would be furious if we let this one slip due to all these off field issues.

Brayshaw isn’t distracted. He is in good form. 

Don’t give the players the excuse - they know this is a business - they need to perform. 

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:51, rpfc said:

Brayshaw isn’t distracted. He is in good form. 

Don’t give the players the excuse - they know this is a business - they need to perform. 

I agree, but it's human nature.

The reality is, when you have two big players thinking about leaving, it becomes a distraction.

 

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:37, 1964_2 said:

And whether we get our act together and give ourselves best chance for flag vs wasting an opportunity and falling away, might be a factor in his decision. 

He is a restricted free agent is he not?

If so it's really down to the Club not Angus

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:04, Lord Nev said:

Would you employ a manager who didn't handle contracts potentially worth millions of dollars in person?

 

Simple use of counterpart signatures. Done it plenty of times for millions with parties in different states.

Its all theatre in some respects with these managers.

Seeing his client in person is another matter.

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:51, rpfc said:

Brayshaw isn’t distracted. He is in good form. 

Don’t give the players the excuse - they know this is a business - they need to perform. 

Expect a response this week rfpc.

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:35, Colm said:

Listened to the interview and I think he is being honest and hasn’t decided yet. 
When he said that his position comes into the “calculations” I took that to mean just that maybe he will be offered more money if he is getting a run through the midfield at another club. 
Unfortunately I don’t think he will make his mind up until after the season is over. A lot can still change between now and then.

For example if Fyfe didn’t get back playing this season he might retire and free up more cap space for Freo.

Gus won’t have the all the final offers in front of him until after the season is over. If  one of those offers is an extra million bucks over 5 years as D4LIfe suggest then it’s not an easy call more so if that offer comes from a club in a Prem window.

 

 

Agree .  The interview was frank and probably honest. Really understands this is his last payday opportunity.

The saving grace is his approach to playing and giving it his best for this season.

I think we won't see a call before season's end, but hoping not.

The Freo game will tell us where the team's head space is.  Its either a heroic effort like the swans (win or lose) , or the wheels will be off .

  On 26/07/2022 at 02:35, Colm said:

When he said that his position comes into the “calculations” I took that to mean just that maybe he will be offered more money if he is getting a run through the midfield at another club. 

This. I have no doubt that clubs allocate a greater amount of space for midfielders as compared to a half back/wingman. 

It will probably be the last contract he’ll ever sign so I understand why he’s doing due diligence. 

I don’t think he will get the big midfield role at a rival club, however. Essendon for example, has Merrett, Parish, Shiel, Caldwell, Stringer etc at the centre bounce. Hence, I think he needs to be a bit realistic here. Other clubs will want him as a HB now with the way he’s been playing so I don’t think the grass will be greener for him.

  On 26/07/2022 at 01:37, sue said:

I know nothing but why is it assumed that Gus' remark about factoring in where on the field he is expected to play automatically means he is hankering for mid-field.  After all these years, is it not possible that other clubs want him to play there and he doesn't want to now?

“One thing I’m quite proud of is that despite all the talk and the noise I haven’t really let it affect the way I play footy and commit to the team."      

Unlike Jackson??

.....

"It (position) is certainly something that comes into calculations,” Brayshaw stated.

“I’ve heard all sorts of theories about where I play my best footy… I’m really loving playing on the half back flank this year.

“It came a bit out of nowhere and I absolutely love being a part of that group.”

Doesn't sound t me that he is demanding a midfield role.