22 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

His defensive mindset, awareness and positioning on the wing got better as the year went on. Early on it seemed he wanted to play his game but in a different position, but from about mid year it seemed to really start clicking for him in how he should be playing his role and how important the defensive aspect was including things like spoils, intercepts and 1 percenters.

 

I would love to see you say that all to Angus, Face to Face…

”Excuse me Mr Brayshaw, I don’t think your midset or positioning is correct…”

(At this point the side is undefeated….)

54 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would love to see you say that all to Angus, Face to Face…

”Excuse me Mr Brayshaw, I don’t think your midset or positioning is correct…”

(At this point the side is undefeated….)

Ugh, not sure why I am weighing in. But I'm so unclear how you got to what you did with @Lord Nev's post.

Perhaps the more useful conversation with Angus would be - ' Gus, how did you see the first half of the year, playing the wing role?'

I've only heard him speak limited, I am assuming he would give an honest answer, so, what would your take on his 'honest' answer to the question be @Sir Why You Little?

2 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ugh, not sure why I am weighing in. But I'm so unclear how you got to what you did with @Lord Nev's post.

Perhaps the more useful conversation with Angus would be - ' Gus, how did you see the first half of the year, playing the wing role?'

I've only heard him speak limited, I am assuming he would give an honest answer, so, what would your take on his 'honest' answer to the question be @Sir Why You Little?

9-0 tells the story Onion

17 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

9-0 tells the story Onion

Mate, you are clearly trolling now. Surely.

Just so I am clear, do you have a belief that every individual who played in the 9-0 bracket, had no capacity to improve in their role?

Or... is it just Gus who was blindingly brilliant and without peer?

or !!

EO: Gus, how'd you rate your first half of the year on the wing?

AB: 9-0 tells the story Onion!  🤣

Edited February 25, 20223 yr by Engorged Onion

4 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Mate, you are clearly trolling now. Surely.

Just so I am clear, do you have a belief that every individual who played in the 9-0 bracket, had no capacity to improve in their role?

Or... is it just Gus who was blindingly brilliant and without peer?

or !!

EO: Gus, how'd you rate your first half of the year on the wing?

AB: 9-0 tells the story Onion!  🤣

The comment was made that Brayshaw’s role on the wing was not so important and that he is easily replaceable if he decides to leave. 
i vehemently disagree with that stance and think Gus was one of the main reasons we won the Flag.
He didn’t just start playing well in the back half of the season 

Teams could not mount attacks from Half Back. 
Stats are so overrated 

The Scoreboard is the ultimate judge. 
Trolling LN Haha that is humorous 

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

The comment was made that Brayshaw’s role on the wing was not so important and that he is easily replaceable if he decides to leave.

Please quote exactly where I said that.

  

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

He didn’t just start playing well in the back half of the season

Please quote exactly where I said that.

  

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Teams could not mount attacks from Half Back. 

So that's all due to Gus, and not our All-Australian filled backline?

  

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

Stats are so overrated

You're the only one talking stats.

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

i vehemently disagree with that stance and think Gus was one of the main reasons we won the Flag.
He didn’t just start playing well in the back half of the season 

Teams could not mount attacks from Half Back. 
Stats are so overrated 

The Scoreboard is the ultimate judge. 
Trolling LN Haha that is humorous 

LN: "His defensive mindset, awareness and positioning on the wing got better as the year went on. Early on it seemed he wanted to play his game but in a different position, but from about mid year it seemed to really start clicking for him in how he should be playing his role and how important the defensive aspect was including things like spoils, intercepts and 1 percenters. "

seems to =

SWYL:"The comment was made that Brayshaw’s role on the wing was not so important and that he is easily replaceable if he decides to leave. "

Perhaps you are getting confused with another poster??

Ps...the scoreboard is not the ultimate judge of how one individual in a system has performed...but I guess what you are saying is, if we win...the individual performance levels don't actually matter to you - result was achieved..so...tick!

I guess this is really a conversation about being nuanced vs inexact in how we see things.

Have a good day!

 

2 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

LN: "His defensive mindset, awareness and positioning on the wing got better as the year went on. Early on it seemed he wanted to play his game but in a different position, but from about mid year it seemed to really start clicking for him in how he should be playing his role and how important the defensive aspect was including things like spoils, intercepts and 1 percenters. "

seems to =

SWYL:"The comment was made that Brayshaw’s role on the wing was not so important and that he is easily replaceable if he decides to leave. "

Perhaps you are getting confused with another poster??

Ps...the scoreboard is not the ultimate judge of how one individual in a system has performed...but I guess what you are saying is, if we win...the individual performance levels don't actually matter to you - result was achieved..so...tick!

I guess this is really a conversation about being nuanced vs inexact in how we see things.

Have a good day!

 

How could anyone confuse LN with anybody else on here?

How many goals were scored through the Brayshaw Wing in 2021?

Very Few.  He had a very good year

That is the ultimate measurement i look at, not pretty, not flashy, but very effective 
 

Gentlemen please resume your seats at the Bar Table and we will adjourn for lunch. 

39 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Please quote exactly where I said that.

  

Please quote exactly where I said that.

  

So that's all due to Gus, and not our All-Australian filled backline?

  

You're the only one talking stats.

It’s all there in the preceding posts

Start at the top.

“Brayshaw is replaceable if he decides to leave, we shouldn’t pay top dollar for a wingman.”

I think we should keep him🤪…..if we can😳

I have watched the Grand Final and in the 3rd quarter his 2 way running was exceptional he stopped Schache from taking a mark and punched the ball later in the back pocket created a exit target for May on numerous occasions.

He did his job very well and got the rewards, he probably could play in the centre if the club can find a winger to replace him and he would repace Sparrow in the midfield but at this stage he is a winger and he has accepted that is his role at present.

I would love if the match commitee tried Rivers in that role against Carlton next week.

Melbourne last year tried to get Issac Smith but to play his role allowing Brayshaw to play a central midfield role but it did not happen so the selectors decided to use the next best player who played 25 games as winger.

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s all there in the preceding posts

Start at the top.

“Brayshaw is replaceable if he decides to leave, we shouldn’t pay top dollar for a wingman.”

 

Yeah, I never said that mate.

Try reading things properly.

 

On 2/21/2022 at 10:58 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

For what it's worth I actually want Brayshaw to say 'Demon17'. But as @Hannibal Inc. has already said, we don't want to be paying too much in retaining good role players like Gus who are easily replaceable. 

 

i always wondered what happens when bart simpson meets karen

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The comment was made that Brayshaw’s role on the wing was not so important and that he is easily replaceable if he decides to leave. 
i vehemently disagree with that stance and think Gus was one of the main reasons we won the Flag.
He didn’t just start playing well in the back half of the season 

Teams could not mount attacks from Half Back. 
Stats are so overrated 

The Scoreboard is the ultimate judge. 
Trolling LN Haha that is humorous 

I do agree with this somewhat, I thought Gus was one of our most important players in the round 10 win over the Dogs - they just couldn't switch to the "fat" side to get their ball movement going.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I do agree with this somewhat, I thought Gus was one of our most important players in the round 10 win over the Dogs - they just couldn't switch to the "fat" side to get their ball movement going.

Our Wings we’re unpredictable, so oponents had no idea how to attack. 
each wing was vastly different, but just as difficult to play. 
 

Very important…

I’m not so sure that Gus would be suited in the midfield the way the game trending.

he’s neither the explosive away from the contest mid (Oliver and Petracca) or the big bodied bull (Viney and Sparrow- the way he is “growing”). You need these types of mids, and this is why we blew the doggies off the park - despite the fact that they probably have more top-end midfield depth. With rucks like Gawn and Dogga as well, we can put teams away in 15 minutes, and I don’t think anyone can really match this. No surprise kozzie getting a bit of midfield time as he can pinch hit for one of the explosive mids.

Gus really doesn’t fit into this mix, but his game sense and gut run means he is suited on the wing despite a lack of pace.

no doubt one of the lower teams will offer him more money and midfield time.

I suspect this contract delay is more about seeing what is left in the tin at the end of the year and whether there is better visability about future salary cap limits etc

Given the team culture we have, it wouldnt surprise me if some of the high paid stars took a small cut if it meant keeping one of their best mates - if it came down to this. 

On 2/24/2022 at 9:33 PM, DeeSpencer said:

We should also stop thinking the wing is a demotion. It suits Brayshaw’s overhead marking game. He still attends stoppages and since when is getting the ball out in space a bad thing?

I really want to highlight this. The media and to a certain extent the umpires seem to have decided that there is some kind of positional hierarchy where midfielders are on the top and every other position below. The all Australian team is stacked with out of position midfielders as the selectors try to get them all in. The Brownlow goes almost exclusively to midfielders. Now we have this narrative that playing on the wing is a demotion from being in the square for the bounce.

Mostly it is systems based teams who win flags, only systems based teams win multiple flags. For a system to work you need ALL areas of the ground playing their part, they are all critical. The all Australian selectors should recognise the best player(s) in each position.

Whether someone is critical to the club’s success is not based on what role they play, it is based on whether we have someone else who can do that role as well. Watching Gus at the practice match reminded me of how much you miss when you watch on TV. He is just constantly roaming up and down that wing, holding his width, closing out the fat side of the ground and moving to be an outlet when we get possession.

I personally think Gus is critical to us, but what I am really trying to push is that everyone is too focussed on the guts. We should be giving more recognition and glory to the ruck, the wings, the forward and back flanks, etc.

edit: fast should have been fat

Edited February 25, 20223 yr by FlashInThePan

16 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I do agree with this somewhat, I thought Gus was one of our most important players in the round 10 win over the Dogs - they just couldn't switch to the "fat" side to get their ball movement going.

Agree, how many times do you see the opposition try to switch the play and he's always there to spoil.

Ultimately it will depend on what he wants out of his career? Team success or personal accolades? If he ends up a multiple premiership player playing on a wing is that preferable to playing midfield in another unsuccessful side? There's role players in successful sides like the Lions & Cats dynasties who could've moved to play greater midfield minutes at other clubs but I think they'd be satisfied with the choice to stay at those club's. Even a guy like Ablett, moved for money but I wonder if he regrets the decision had he stayed at the Cats he could've been a 4 time premiership player (they would likely have won 2013 had he stayed) and be seen as undoubtedly the greatest player of the modern era. Yeah you need to think about money and your own development but ultimately down the road I think players appreciate their legacy more if they play in successful sides.

Seeing the way he spoke about the club after the GF with Garry I just can't imagine him leaving but stranger things have happened I guess.

Edited February 25, 20223 yr by Dr. Gonzo

I think he got a tattoo after the GF.

Doesnt that make him a permenant Dee?

10 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

I think he got a tattoo after the GF.

Doesnt that make him a permenant Dee?

Yes, but only skin deep.

On 2/26/2022 at 10:49 AM, Bimbo said:

I think he got a tattoo after the GF.

Doesnt that make him a permenant Dee?

But was it a tattoo of an anchor or a big bird?

On 2/26/2022 at 11:00 AM, rpfc said:

Yes, but only skin deep.

Niall in the Age made a really good case for Angus to leave the MFC.

It is not just about money.

It is a short window as an AFL player. Does a really talented player want to be remembered as a bit player? Angus could walk into many teams and into their midfield and get close to a Brownlow medal.

Or he could stay at the Dees and potentially get another couple of premiership medals.

If Angus was my son, I would be urging him to leave.