2021 Phantom Draft

[Supreme_Demon 3,856]

10 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Taylor on afl radio tomorrow.

Will be very interesting what Jason Taylor says tomorrow.

I think he will keep his cards close to his chest.

In the end the choice in the AFL Draft is pretty simple....it is best player available Vs needs based player.

Hopefully, it's a combination of both for the Demons.

In Jason Taylor we trust! 😎👍

Edited November 22, 2021 by Supreme_Demon

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

24 minutes ago, IvanBartul13 said:

GWS have a problem in that there is no real advantage for them trading down as any pick in the 30s for example would be inefficiently consumed matching a bid for Josh Fahey.  It would make more sense for them to trade down and get a future pick as the benefit, which rules us out.  St Kilda are another team that could benefit from a trade down, but they are hamstrung for the same reason.

Good point. I still think 17 and then turning 39 in to a future 2nd could work for them. Getting the young tall they need before the Fahey bid and banking a pick. 

A future first certainly has more upside though. 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Good point. I still think 17 and then turning 39 in to a future 2nd could work for them. Getting the young tall they need before the Fahey bid and banking a pick. 

A future first certainly has more upside though. 

They could also trade down get some future material and then trade back in after Fahey has gone, a more convoluted way of getting to your original plan.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,757]

20 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Interesting phantom draft.  Owens comes under the Saints NGA allocations. They’d be majorly [censored]-off if MFC grabbed him at “19”.  
(Saints fans still can’t believe they missed on Petracca). 
 

Owens plays like Jake Stringer from my view.  An agile forward (190cm) who could rotate through stints in the midfield.  He’s a good player, through strong aerial skills and is good in the contest. I thought he’d be mid 2nd round (25-35 range) but given he wins strong contested footy, he may appeal to our 🏆JT⭐️.  

The difference being, of course, that St Kilda "missed on Petracca" by choice. It's not like we stole him from under their nose.

[spirit of norm smith 16,460]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The difference being, of course, that St Kilda "missed on Petracca" by choice. It's not like we stole him from under their nose.

Correct they “missed” him.  Like being offered a share of Winx as a yearling and saying no.  

[ChaserJ 5,096]

Cal Twomey’s phantom is up on AFL.com.au:

Cal Twomey's 2021 Phantom AFL Draft: Top 30, late picks, club whispers

[Clintosaurus 7,849]

Blake Howes. Yes.

[Nascent 9,215]

Melbourne

Picks: 17, 37, 49, 57 (likely to use three selections)

A father-son is set to land at Melbourne for the first time since 2014 with Taj Woewodin nominated as a national pick, meaning if a bid doesn't come for the son of 2000 Brownlow medallist Shane then the Dees can automatically grab Woewodin with their last live selection. That appears the most likely outcome, with a bid not expected before Melbourne's third pick. Dandenong Stingrays forward/midfielder Judson Clarke could still be on the board at No.37 while the Dees have nominated Andy Moniz-Wakefield, an outside runner, through their Next Generation Academy and he could be a rookie shot. As could Anthony Caminiti, a 198cm forward who kicked five goals in his NAB League debut for the Northern Knights.

[Nascent 9,215]

Some interesting points.

- Hobbs falling out of the top 10

- Soligo, although selected at 30, was mentioned as an option for Giants second pick 13 (15). Would be the biggest bolter this late in the piece unless something else surprises.

- Goater possibly sliding out of the first round.

- For dees, Brown, Wilmot and Chesser around the mark. So more outside mid/half back types with pace.

[adonski 12,154]

7 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Some interesting points.

- Hobbs falling out of the top 10

- Soligo, although selected at 30, was mentioned as an option for Giants second pick 13 (15). Would be the biggest bolter this late in the piece unless something else surprises.

- Goater possibly sliding out of the first round.

- For dees, Brown, Wilmot and Chesser around the mark. So more outside mid/half back types with pace.

Odd that we'd go for a half back with Hunt & Tomlinson to return imo, even with Hibbo on the way out, unless we view them as a winger that is.

Hobbs screams a Melbourne pick, reckon we'd desperately try to trade up if he slides.

Edited November 22, 2021 by adonski

[ChaserJ 5,096]

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Some interesting points.

- Hobbs falling out of the top 10

- Soligo, although selected at 30, was mentioned as an option for Giants second pick 13 (15). Would be the biggest bolter this late in the piece unless something else surprises.

- Goater possibly sliding out of the first round.

- For dees, Brown, Wilmot and Chesser around the mark. So more outside mid/half back types with pace.

If Soligo is the go for GWS, they could well be happy to move back a few slots and get something else in the door while still landing him.

[spirit of norm smith 16,460]

Cal predicts its MFC choosing Blake Howes at 19.  Definitely  👍🏻🤞 

He also notes Brown, Chesser, Wilmot as options - all good running half back defenders and either would be a good addition. 

Whoever we pick , they are going to be very happy.  Dees have  a very good development program now and great club culture,  so lots of youngsters will be hoping to land in the red and blue. It’s going to be an exciting week for 50-60 young men in their quest to play in the AFL. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by spirit of norm smith
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[DeeSpencer 25,713]

Howes seems a great fit for need as well as talent. So if he’s available and JT was honest on the website today about considering needs it makes a lot of sense he’s right in their plans. 

The half back flankers might be less of a need although we could do with a bit more depth. If Hunt replaces Hibbo after next year the depth is thin. It’s a lot to invest in the backline yet again but I’m still very open to Rivers, Bowey and Salem all being flexible. No reason they can’t play wing, half forward or on ball. 

[whatwhat say what 22,763]

draft howes now, trade for callaghan (gw$) and andrew (gc17) in the future

happy days

[faultydet 7,594]

2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Blake Howes. Yes.

The thing that stood out like dogs nads in his video was his lateral movement/change of direction.

At that height and with his tank, that is a very enticing prospect. A difficult matchup.

Edited November 22, 2021 by faultydet

[Colm 2,157]

I notice in his phantom draft Cal has Howes height at 191cm and in previous draft rankings he’s at 190 so he must still be growing. Given his leap and marking ability are listed as his key strengths if he keeps growing he could be a weapon up front. 

[Nascent 9,215]

Jason Taylor will be on AFL radio at 1.15 tomorrow for those that are interested. I'll be at work and will most likely miss it so a brief run down would be appreciated.

[58er 6,441]

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Howes seems a great fit for need as well as talent. So if he’s available and JT was honest on the website today about considering needs it makes a lot of sense he’s right in their plans. 

The half back flankers might be less of a need although we could do with a bit more depth. If Hunt replaces Hibbo after next year the depth is thin. It’s a lot to invest in the backline yet again but I’m still very open to Rivers, Bowey and Salem all being flexible. No reason they can’t play wing, half forward or on ball. 

I actually agree with you for once Dee we have some good flexibility on our list.

Flexibility equals a good footballer IMO  and we can never have too many of those ! 

[Lucifers Hero 39,817]

Good to see Andy M-W nominated.  Seems destined to be a 'B' rookie.

[Lucifers Hero 39,817]

Chesser is interesting.  Twomey has him at 24 but could go as high as 12.

I've browsed 'Knightmare's' draft thread on bf and he doesn't have Chesser in his top 50 rankings.  Doesn't rate him

It will be interesting to see where he is picked. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Lucifers Hero

[Lucifers Hero 39,817]

11 hours ago, Nascent said:

Melbourne

Picks: 17, 37, 49, 57 (likely to use three selections)

As could Anthony Caminiti, a 198cm forward who kicked five goals in his NAB League debut for the Northern Knights.

Twomey doesn't throw names around which makes his mention of Anthony Caminiti linked to us quite interesting, albeit as a rookie.

A profile for him is anthony-caminiti

Height: 196cm, Weight: 83kg

STRENGTHS:

+ Mobility
+ Leading Patterns
+ Overhead Marking
+ Clean Hands
+ Scoreboard Impact

IMPROVEMENTS:

- Strength
- Exposure

SUMMARY:

In a draft crop dominated by midfielders, clubs may be more willing to take chances on developing talls a little higher up the order. In Caminiti's case, he'd be an ideal late-round or rookie option given his upside and rate of development, with exciting traits which can be enhanced at the next level. He is mobile and comfortable in possession, adding a bit of dynamism to go with his goalkicking and marking ability.

It sounds like that with a bit of development he could be a very good forward.

 

[Kent 2,910]

12 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Blake Howes. Yes.

He already plays our game style 

A great addition if we can get it done

[The Jackson FIX 3,114]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Chesser is interesting.  Twomey has him at 24 but could go as high as 12.

I've browsed 'Knightmare's' draft thread on bf and he doesn't have Chesser in his top 50 rankings.  Doesn't rate him

It will be interesting to see where he is picked. 

Cal > Knightmare.
 

Knightmare spent 2 years bleeting that Melbourne made a big mistake not drafting Tom Green in ‘19 (simply because he didn’t rate Jackson as highly as others did).  
 

Appears to have quietened on that front since The Grand Final.

 

edit: he also failed to acknowledge the fact that Melbourne couldn’t have landed Green even if they wanted to

Edited November 22, 2021 by The Jackson 6

[Roger Mellie 4,025]

30 minutes ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Cal > Knightmare.
 

Cal is only ahead because of his club contacts, not his eye for talent.

As draft 'experts', they're both ordinary.

[adonski 12,154]

Apparently Knightmare was caught out last year ranking some kids he hadn't actually watched in any capacity, as he didn't want to pay a subscription fee for that specific competitions live feed of games