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Farewell Luke Jackson

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  On 28/08/2022 at 09:46, Redleg said:

Remember this the club that demanded and got pick 2 for Lachie Weller and pick 5 plus another pick for Cerra.

What does that make LJ worth, as a 20 year old ruckman, rising star and premiership player? 

Well that depends on how hard we will push them, and tbh I don’t think we will push that hard. We always say we are fair etc so will  be interesting to see our stance on this. 

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    If you combined the last 3 years drafts together imo Luke Jackson goes number 1 so surely he is worth at the very least pick 1 or equal value to pick 1

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      On 28/08/2022 at 10:02, Gorgoroth said:

    Well that depends on how hard we will push them, and tbh I don’t think we will push that hard. We always say we are fair etc so will  be interesting to see our stance on this. 

    I think we will push very hard.

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    I really can't see how Fremantle is getting a deal done off their own bat through draft picks they currently hold.

    Rory Lobb is definitely leaving Fremantle for the Dogs so what ever draft pick is afforded to them will be forwarded onto us or packaged up with either a player or another pick for a higher pick. 

    Fremantle if they lose to the Dogs on Saturday Night will finish 8th and hold  pick 11 which is a start.

    A future 1st rounder might be around the same mark give or take or maybe Freo might pick swap to get gain higher access to a better pick.

    Clearly this is not enough, does a Griffith Logue get offered to us in this deal? Does he suit a need for us?

    Iam of the clear standing that one of the picks that we receive needs to be in the top 5.

    How they do it I've actually got no idea but they have got to understand he is the best player of his draft so a pick close to his original selection needs to be adhered to. 

    So at the end of all that i hope the club are strong willed on what they will accept in return for the trading of Dogga. 

    If i were JT i would be pushing for a top 5 pick, future 1st rounder or a player (Griffith Logue) and in return we Give Dogga and a 2nd rounder.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 09:46, Redleg said:

    Remember this the club that demanded and got pick 2 for Lachie Weller and pick 5 plus another pick for Cerra.

    What does that make LJ worth, as a 20 year old ruckman, rising star and premiership player? 

    Yes but Freo don't have pick 2 or pick 5. I'd prepare to be disappointed as frustrating as it will be.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 10:27, Paulo said:

    If you combined the last 3 years drafts together imo Luke Jackson goes number 1 so surely he is worth at the very least pick 1 or equal value to pick 1

    Nick Daicos goes 1 and Jackson is not even close. I'd take Sam Darcy at 2. And there are numerous other players that have played more consistently better football than Jackson, such as Serong, Young and Noah Anderson.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:19, mo64 said:

    Nick Daicos goes 1 and Jackson is not even close. I'd take Sam Darcy at 2. And there are numerous other players that have played more consistently better football than Jackson, such as Serong, Young and Noah Anderson.

    Which is immaterial if Fremantle's contract offer to Jackson, in years and dollars, is well above what all these other players would expect. The offer is what largely determines the trade value and bargaining.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:27, mo64 said:

    This article makes me nauseous, with the talk that we'd have to give up a 1st round pick for Grundy. 

    Mo you seam to be a real Debby downer, any chance of some positivity? Life is not that hard as a supporter of the reigning premiers, who just finished 2nd is it? 
     

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:27, mauriesy said:

    Which is immaterial if Fremantle's contract offer to Jackson, in years and dollars, is well above what all these other players would expect. The offer is what largely determines the trade value and bargaining.

    Unless Jackson is happy to go to the Eagles, Freo are not in a bidding war with anyone. What people perceive his trade value to be and what we get, is likely to be totally different.

    The reality is that Freo won't be able to acquire a top 5 pick, so a top 15 pick, a future 1st and a fringe player is what I'm expecting.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:19, mo64 said:

    Nick Daicos goes 1 and Jackson is not even close. I'd take Sam Darcy at 2. And there are numerous other players that have played more consistently better football than Jackson, such as Serong, Young and Noah Anderson.

    Jackson would be very very close, as a tall he's a far more enticing pick than Daicos.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:32, 1964_2 said:

    Mo you seam to be a real Debby downer, any chance of some positivity? Life is not that hard as a supporter of the reigning premiers, who just finished 2nd is it? 
     

    I'm not allowed to comment on a player we're allegedly chasing? You better let the Mods know, so that they can delete the other 1000 posts about Grundy.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:39, mo64 said:

    Unless Jackson is happy to go to the Eagles, Freo are not in a bidding war with anyone. What people perceive his trade value to be and what we get, is likely to be totally different.

    The reality is that Freo won't be able to acquire a top 5 pick, so a top 15 pick, a future 1st and a fringe player is what I'm expecting.

    Mo, seriously, give it a spell.

    Your views are incorrect 

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:42, 1964_2 said:

    Mo, seriously, give it a spell.

    Your views are incorrect 

    How can they be incorrect when neither of us know what the final trade for Jackson will look like? I'm betting that I'm closer to the mark than those suggesting that we should get a top 5 pick.

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    We are all spit balling here Mo nothing is absolute, it might be we get their  2022 1st pick, future 1st round pick and a player plus something going back the other way.

    Point is though the club should be busting Freo's balls for due compensation especially for the contract length and worth.

     

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:36, Matt said:

    As if they would let Max walk into that meeting, with no preparation. I like the story though

    AFL rebooting ‘Thank God you’re here’

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:41, mo64 said:

    I'm not allowed to comment on a player we're allegedly chasing? You better let the Mods know, so that they can delete the other 1000 posts about Grundy.

    Thats not the message that was being conveyed. Wake up

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:40, Chook said:

    Jackson would be very very close, as a tall he's a far more enticing pick than Daicos.

    Agree Chook.
    Whenever LJ plays a15 disposal 20 hit out 8 tackles 6 score involvements anda goal with 5 marks he has an impact far greater than some smaller midfielders as he directly assists our mids with these possessions in a better position for scores and goals.

    He also negates opposition players with his competitive game and general run on ball skills. He is an elite midfielder with a great on ball game who rarely fumbles and is generally in the clear when he releases the ball.  It his quality and clean skills that set him apart from many mids running around today. 

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      On 28/08/2022 at 11:15, Sargent Shultz said:

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    ‘grundy was blown away when he meet with key melbourne figures’

    It is the $ figures I am far more concerned about.  If Colonwood pay a good portion of his salary then maybe .. and the remaining (is it) 4 years is also a concern. 

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:27, mo64 said:

    This article makes me nauseous, with the talk that we'd have to give up a 1st round pick for Grundy. 

    Don’t worry about it mo. There will be a sliding scale.
    If we are parting with a first rounder for Grundy that will mean we are paying him 2/5ths of bugger all and the Pies are stumping a fair % of his ludicrous salary. 

    On the other hand if we are throwing them a late 4th rounder for the inner city, tree hugging hipster, then our salary cap is going to be taking far more of a hit. No doubt it will fall somewhere between those two scenarios 

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    I'm not fussed about the $ contract per se.  Lets say it averages at $700k per year which is about what we would pay Jackson if he signed for the another 2/3 years.  But then Jackson's $ would probably be closer to the $1.m mark

    There is more to add to this but I'll put it in the Grundy thread to avoid diverting this thread.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 11:59, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Yes but Freo don't have pick 2 or pick 5. I'd prepare to be disappointed as frustrating as it will be.

    Yes but WC do, so maybe it’s LJ that will have to be a little disappointed, to get back home, but not necessarily to the club of his choice.

    We don’t have to do any deal and I don’t think clearing our most exciting young player for unders is really on our radar.

    I would be confident we know who and what we want we want at this stage and unless Luke and WC are prepared to shaft us in the PSD, we should not buckle.

    This bloke has been described as a generational player and he is now a premiership player as well and he could be a 12-13 year player for the Dockers.

    We can’t allow him to go for unders.

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      On 28/08/2022 at 12:27, mo64 said:

    This article makes me nauseous, with the talk that we'd have to give up a 1st round pick for Grundy. 

    We shouldn’t and won’t, if Grundy says it’s Dees or I stay.

    Grundy staying, plus likely De Goey too, probably stuffs up their whole trading scenarios.

    They are even into Billy Frampton, so it suggests they have factored on Grundy gone.

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    If the perception starts to take hold that Grundy is coming to us then it makes it easier for Dogga to leave. He can rationalise in his mind on the basis we have a capable replacement coming in.

    Prefer if he stays but Grundy is a good option if the price is right

     

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