Brownlow Medal 2021

[spirit of norm smith 16,677]

Trac equal 9th on 23 votes 

[Cards13 9,117]

Owain‘s had a great night, congrats on the weather.

 

Also can you let Jimmy Toumpas go, ffs it wasn’t his choice to be drafted by us. 

Edited September 19, 2021 by Cards13

[Webber 10,650]

1 minute ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Probably due for a correction then.

And how. I just love these meaningless stats, and how some people attach meaning to them. We’ve been the no. 1 team this year, and so it will go on Saturday.  

[Adam The God 30,706]

34 minutes ago, Happy Jack said:

Oliver 28 possesions 15 contested 7 tackles,Seedsman 36, Keys 29. Obviously too lazy to assess on the park, just looked at the stats after the game

That was a quiet game for Clarry. Sure he got 28, but he didn't have his usual influence.

34 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

Very happy to see a brownlow medalist from the club I played for! Congratulations  Ollie 

Eh?

[Adam The God 30,706]

A lot of meat and potato footballers have won Brownlows. Wines is a good player, but he's not in the class of Oliver or Bontempelli or even Petracca. Still, when you've only got Boak to take votes off you, it helps.

Wines seems like a nice guy though. Glad Bontempelli didn't win it. Barrett won't know what to do with himself.

Edited September 19, 2021 by A F

[Demon trucker 1,800]

34 minutes ago, Webber said:

Well done Ollie Wines, even if it is a fantastically silly little award. Echuca’s had a big night! We presume you’re backing your best mate Jack Viney this weekend. Well done also to Marcus Bontempelli for winning the AFLPA MVP. And the best player in the AFL, as voted by those whose opinions matter most - objectively and analytically - well done to Clayton Oliver for winning the AFL Coaches Award, an honour made even more significant  by winning a 2021 Premiership Medal, and the Norm Smith Medal. 
 

 

oops….meant to save this for Sunday morn….

And clarry not even top 6 in the MVP, players have no clue, MVP most overrated award, coaches award is no 1 coaches watching every game the closest.

[DubDee 26,663]

36 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Go [censored] yourself Swamp!!

[Swooper1987 3,322]

Well done to Gawny, who was by far the highest polling non-midfielder.  17th overall I believe.

[picket fence 18,160]

TOUMPAS = Dud, totally underwhelming

WINES = Good player

OLIVER = Champion 

Edited September 19, 2021 by picket fence

[Demon17 5,259]

In our last big showing in 2018 when Angus came 3rd, for interest I looked at Clarries performance that year.

13 Votes in 6 games, only 2 times 3 Votes.

Look how far he's come in this period. Fantastic effort and just rewards this week.

And now 29 years since a non-midfielder won it, and even that was a ruckman - scott wynd

[rjay 25,423]

I didn't watch it...like watching grass grow or paint dry.

...but was Bont really cut to miss out?

[Demon17 5,259]

55 minutes ago, Chook said:

Sad to read Steven May is just the 160th best player in the competition but I’m glad we have some others who can pick up the slack for him. 

29 years since a non-midfielder won it. But I'd argue I would have S. May in our team ahead of any of the 30 or so midfield vote winners from other teams.

May will deliver a flag, the others just deliver lots of stats.

[Demon17 5,259]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

100% should be voted on by the coaches or an independent panel like the AA team. 
Umpires don’t know anything about the game beyond the rules. And even that’s questionable. 
 

Edit: Tmac polling more votes than Lever, May and Salem combined tells you everything you need to know. 

This is truly a shocking stat.  

By his speech Wines would trade places with Oliver for a GF spot in a heartbeat.

[Demon17 5,259]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

As Henry Ford said  "..History is more or less bunk..."

Now if this statistical genius understood what he was quoting, and understood stats that are not necessarily basedon the same premise, condtions, etc are generally meaningless with regards to predictions. 

This year is not like any other year let alone the last 8, due to the non-existent pre-finals bye and the pre- GF bye unique to 2021. This renders all recent history meaningless.

For the dim-witted as an example I will note as follows:

For the past 16 years (a good sample size) the QF winners go on to win their PF 28 times out of 32 or 88% of games.

Yet this year only 1 of the 2 QF winners won their PF, (the Dees) , thus a rate of 50% chance. Port Power had an 88% chance of winning, and given the travel of the Dogs and home ground advantage should have had probably a 95% chance - but they lost.

Due to the whole Bye discontinuity in the football universe.

Possibly why Wines showed such dissappointment tonight not making the GF

Get it Swamp boy? I'm not on Twitter so I suppose he'll have to just get this by osmosis or something.

[chook fowler 19,763]

31 votes would have won it most years. Never mind, the Norm Smith is his.

[chook fowler 19,763]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

How is his jaw wider than the rest of his head??!

Clutch Cargo is his doppelgänger 

[BenJamin on Deesy St 805]

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

In our last big showing in 2018 when Angus came 3rd, for interest I looked at Clarries performance that year.

13 Votes in 6 games, only 2 times 3 Votes.

Look how far he's come in this period. Fantastic effort and just rewards this week.

And now 29 years since a non-midfielder won it, and even that was a ruckman - scott wynd

Goodes won it (shared it) as a ruckman in 2003. He won it later as a ruck-rover and should have won it again as a centre half forward. Just a sensational player. And Wanganeen won it the year after Wynd, don’t forget, as a back pocket.

[Youngwilliam 381]

Brownlow on a Sunday night? Since when?

[BDA 23,048]

The award is based on subjective opinion. We’ll always argue over whether the winner deserved it or not. I don’t have any problem with Wines winning the medal

Max, Trac and Clarry were always going to take votes of each other.

From my biased perspective, Clarry is the most influential player in the league. Coaches award a far better reflection of players value over the season

Surprised the umps don’t seem to rate any other doggies player other than the Bont. McCrae definitely worth some votes surely.

Don’t know why Parish polled so well. Anytime I watched him this year his kicking was bang average. No teammates taking votes off him I suppose

Awards ceremonies are as boring as. Would anyone care if the TV event was ditched and results were just announced during the week?

[Deemania since 56 6,804]

9 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

3 votes in a losing side.

Bontompelli.

So what is new? 

[dimmy 1,308]

Congratulations to Ollie Wines. He would admit that he would swap it for a gig at the big dance.

What is in the water @ Echuca. I always thought Clarrie came from Shepparton. Imagine going to play Echuca in the Junior Footy knowing Viney & Wines are waiting for you.

[Fanatique Demon 2,763]

I noticed in previous years there were times when umpires continued to give votes to players after they had become ineligible. I wasn’t able to watch the count this year, so I don’t know if this happened again. But I've always thought that it’s a silly act to waste a vote that could have gone to another worthy recipient. Did anyone notice it this year?

[Demonstone 23,548]

9 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

9 hours ago, Blistering said:

How many votes did Cerra poll?

1 vote. Worth a future 2nd round pick 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Think you'll find that Cerra polled twice for a total of three votes, which is more votes than May, Salem, Langdon, Brayshaw, Petty, Harmes, Sparrow, Jordon, Jones, Hibberd, Melksham, Bowey, Baker, Chandler, Jetta, Tomlinson, Vanders, Rivers, Weideman, Hunt, Browns M & B, Nibbler and Spargo combined.   

On that basis, a future 2nd round pick sounds about right. 

[Demon17 5,259]

7 hours ago, Ben E said:

Goodes won it (shared it) as a ruckman in 2003. He won it later as a ruck-rover and should have won it again as a centre half forward. Just a sensational player. And Wanganeen won it the year after Wynd, don’t forget, as a back pocket.

Good point.  I looked at Goodes but felt he was a bit like Jim Stynes who created a ruck-type role for himslef but was playing more like a large midfield who could ruck.

Point still stands. The midfielders who now monopolise the award are all pretty good though.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

9 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Point still stands. The midfielders who now monopolise the award are all pretty good though.

Not only that, midfielders who accumulate a lot of the ball tend to win it.

Neale, Tom Mitchell and now Wines are all very good players but I’d argue that there are others who have a lot more of an impact on games than these players.