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Jack Viney Suspended for 2 Weeks

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Best guess is 3 weeks (because he changed to not guilty)

would have got 2 weeks if maintained guilty plea, and admitted he was on the throat 

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    2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Ok, suggested.  Even suggesting Viney's evidence is 'nonsense' makes it difficult for the Tribunal to take Viney's word as was proposed in the post I was responding to

    From AFL report:

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    AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson describes Viney's offence as the pinning of the opponent to the ground and pressing and holding his elbow into the neck/throat region for a prolonged period of about five seconds with force.
     
    Whichever way people spin it, Anderson should have checked if his interpretation re the jaw was correct.

    Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

    Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

    There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

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    Given the shenanigans of this evening I’d say we are a good chance to challenge, with Collins as the star witness for the defence.

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    1 minute ago, 1964_2 said:

    Best guess is 3 weeks (because he changed to not guilty)

    would have got 2 weeks if maintained guilty plea, and admitted he was on the throat 

     

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    The Tribunal is entitled to conclude it was contact to the throat, given the footage and their impression of Viney and what he said today.

    The Tribunal could also have penalised him for making contact only to the jaw, so it may not matter.

    What might matter is if they give him 2 or more weeks for something that inconclusive (at least when I watch the footage, I don't know how anyone can tell that was contact to Collins' throat as opposed to jaw).

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    Collins instigated the tussle with Viney. He should testify and help sort this mess out

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    AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson says his proposed two-week ban was premised on Viney's guilty plea. He says the jury is at large but their penalty should not be less than two weeks. David Jones say the jury can attach what weight they wish to the initial guilty plea.

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    If viney seriously gets 2+ weeks for this then selwood will never be able to play again.

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    1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

    Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

    Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

    There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

    Hard to follow your point here. 

    the charge was for serious misconduct including “contact to the throat/neck”, the plea was changed from guilty to not guilty because they didn’t realise they were admitting to contact to neck/throat. 

    highly unlikely that “contact to neck/throat” wasn’t included on initial documentation 

     

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    Regardless of what happens now, this stupid act from Viney has added unnecessary distraction to an already compromised preparation for a very important game. [censored] poor leadership. 

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    What Viney need to do was get up, drag Collins to the boundary line, climb the fence and drop the peoples elbow on him. It’s ok to elbow guys in the head.

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    2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

    Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

    Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

    There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

    I have provided more than enough info to support that Anderson didn't know, didn't understand or didn't check the details of the charge which Gleeson read out at the start of the hearing.  You want to keep refuting everything I present and keep saying I'm wrong great.  Go for it.  I'm out 

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    2 minutes ago, BDA said:

    Collins instigated the tussle with Viney. He should testify and help sort this mess out

    He should've been pinged for holding the man instead of stopping Viney from getting to the next contest illegally. None of this would've happened.

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    2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

    Regardless of what happens now, this stupid act from Viney has added unnecessary distraction to an already compromised preparation for a very important game. [censored] poor leadership. 

    ?give it a rest mate.  

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    2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

    Regardless of what happens now, this stupid act from Viney has added unnecessary distraction to an already compromised preparation for a very important game. [censored] poor leadership. 

    That's a bit of an overreaction.

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    David Jones sounds sensible... Going to give weight to the guilty plea, despite the change and objections to the detail

    1 week

    Also, I have a few expired vouchers, perhaps he'll let me get a few new business shirts??

     

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    Just now, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Also, I have a few expired vouchers, perhaps he'll let me get a few new business shirts??

     

    That might depend on the size of your neck (not unlike Sam Collins).

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