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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Ok, suggested.  Even suggesting Viney's evidence is 'nonsense' makes it difficult for the Tribunal to take Viney's word as was proposed in the post I was responding to

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SERIOUS MISCONDUCT
 
AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson describes Viney's offence as the pinning of the opponent to the ground and pressing and holding his elbow into the neck/throat region for a prolonged period of about five seconds with force.
 
Whichever way people spin it, Anderson should have checked if his interpretation re the jaw was correct.

Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

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The Tribunal is entitled to conclude it was contact to the throat, given the footage and their impression of Viney and what he said today.

The Tribunal could also have penalised him for making contact only to the jaw, so it may not matter.

What might matter is if they give him 2 or more weeks for something that inconclusive (at least when I watch the footage, I don't know how anyone can tell that was contact to Collins' throat as opposed to jaw).

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AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson says his proposed two-week ban was premised on Viney's guilty plea. He says the jury is at large but their penalty should not be less than two weeks. David Jones say the jury can attach what weight they wish to the initial guilty plea.

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1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

Hard to follow your point here. 

the charge was for serious misconduct including “contact to the throat/neck”, the plea was changed from guilty to not guilty because they didn’t realise they were admitting to contact to neck/throat. 

highly unlikely that “contact to neck/throat” wasn’t included on initial documentation 

 

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Again, what Gleeson says isn't determinative of anything! He's arguing for the AFL, not setting the charge or defining it.

Gleeson submitted to the Tribunal what they should find. It turns out they've agreed with him, but when Gleeson gets up and says "this was contact to the throat", Viney was entitled to deny it.

There's no "spin" here and for you to suggest Anderson didn't "check" something is in my view seriously misplaced.

I have provided more than enough info to support that Anderson didn't know, didn't understand or didn't check the details of the charge which Gleeson read out at the start of the hearing.  You want to keep refuting everything I present and keep saying I'm wrong great.  Go for it.  I'm out 

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2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Regardless of what happens now, this stupid act from Viney has added unnecessary distraction to an already compromised preparation for a very important game. [censored] poor leadership. 

?give it a rest mate.  

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2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Regardless of what happens now, this stupid act from Viney has added unnecessary distraction to an already compromised preparation for a very important game. [censored] poor leadership. 

That's a bit of an overreaction.

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