CHANGES: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

[Deemania since 56 6,206]

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Watched the replay, Petty didn't 'flumped' on the ball. The Hawks player jumped on Petty then dragged it into Petty and held it in there. 

The dumbass umpire got sucked in by it.

Petty was just about BOG and took several crucial marks while Lever and May were both ordinary. 

That is correct, that is what happened and certainly, it gave the umpire an opportunity to assist the Hawks at a critical moment, so he did by appearing 'convinced' Petty drew the ball into himself. Petty had already played his smarts, pushing the ball away from his prone body when some tasteless ape jumped on him like a long-long lover, grabbed it and drew it into Petty's body. 

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5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

We're almost certainly not playing this game in Darwin so any proposed changes based on the venue of the match are misguided IMO.

There's also no guarantee we play GC at all next week.

Meanwhile the pressure acts stat is revealing again.

The top three on the ground were Hawthorn midfielders: Mitchell, Shiels and O'Meara.

Our best: Viney 31, Petracca 30, ANB 27, Oliver 25 and Jordon 21. 

Forwards: ANB 27, Pickett 16, Brown 13, Fritsch 11, TMac 9, Jackson 8, Spargo 6.

I'm confident the FD will keep giving ANB games when he rates highly in this stat. It's what he's in the team for.

I'm also confident that Spargo's number is lower than the FD want. If we're going to play a forward who is a nice kick inside 50 but doesn't tackle (two tackles, none inside 50) and only gets 11 touches, I wonder whether Melksham can do a better job of that role?

Spargo has been one of our  top pressure contributors throughout the season and also one of our top score involvements. Seemed to do a lot of connections last night too.  

[layzie 29,316]

36 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

To clarify - Not meaning centre bounces, more meaning mid/forward. If you look at Gus and Jordon's heat maps it makes it pretty clear. Interestingly I noticed Goody switched it up and had Jordon at a few bounces late in the game. Still not sure why Pickett wasn't played through there like usual though.

Personally I think Gus played better on the wing.

I know what you meant Nev it’s all good. I looked at the heat maps and am not disputing any of that but I am wondering if a different look at the centre bounces could be worth it. Viney is not just slow with leg speed but reaction time, there’s a number of hard balls he’s not getting to at bounces and when he does he’s got no time on the ball and scruffs his kicks. Gotta be thinking a step ahead. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

I know what you meant Nev it’s all good. I looked at the heat maps and am not disputing any of that but I am wondering if a different look at the centre bounces could be worth it. Viney is not just slow with leg speed but reaction time, there’s a number of hard balls he’s not getting to at bounces and when he does he’s got no time on the ball and scruffs his kicks. Gotta be thinking a step ahead. 

Yeah I prefer Viney playing the mid/forward role like he did at the start of the year. He played better, the midfield worked better, just made sense. For mine, when we have Gawn, Viney, Petracca and Oliver as our centre group we're very predictable, that's why I like us giving Pickett a run through there, Jackson rucking, even throw it around with Sparrow, Jordon, ANB etc.

 

[adonski 9,231]

I'd predict only the first change involving Harmes back in, but wouldn't be surprised with the 2nd so we somewhat go back to small ball

IN: Harmes, Melk
OUT: VDB, Jackson (Rested)

[Paulo 285]

In    bowey    

Out   anb

[titan_uranus 22,672]

4 hours ago, pinkshark said:

ANB has played 98 senior games of footy.  Just wow!

And Viney is very limited.  He's ordinary.  

Langdon has gone a bit off in recent weeks with his hospital handballs.  But I'm not saying drop him.  

Ahh look, frustrating as.  But lets be positive.  We're on top still.  'Should' make the finals  As we are Melbourne though it will likely be in position 5-8.  We haven't absolutely embarrassed ourselves just yet.  So I'm predicting that to come.  But if you ever thought we were gonna waltz through and lose  2/3 games and win the flag you are deluded.  We have to be consistent, accurate and have a lot of luck with injuries.  blah blah blah.....

It's a tough competition and no team is perfect. 

Plus the umps were [censored] last night.   really really atrocious I thought. 

Max's 50m penalty just ridiculous and an embarrassment for the rule makers. Imagine that decision in a grand final, after all the investment, all the development.  It's just a frightening position to put umpires in.

Just in case anyone isn't aware, we cannot miss finals from here. We're 5.5 games clear of 9th with 5 games to go.

Relax, Demonlanders. We have qualified for the finals.

[dee-tox 4,829]

23 hours ago, ANG13 said:

Vanderberg out only to play again if we get smashed by injuries, same bracket as Jetta both cooked in my opinion, Melksham in. 

WTF?

Always good to have scapegoat I guess but Aaron shouldn't be your guy. He was excellent in the first half. His ball use was great. Linked up well. The fact that he even played in the second half after getting smashed by McEvoy was a credit to him. 

If you want to identify reasons we lost.

Here are five: 

Our key target TMac couldn't get a touch.

Our best inside 50 guy Petracca went at 55 percent disposal efficiency.

Our two other main midfielders Oliver and Viney turned it over 18 times!

We can't kick a set shot. 

Jackson had four effective disposals for the day.

[dpositive 1,557]

This team had a bye (rest) just a few weeks ago

i have advocatedresting some each week especially the younger bodies, but now, close to the business end when the team should be gelling and learning how to play with each other instinctively, is not the time.

Jackson played and plays at peak capacity every game, he is young,  he had less influence this week as if tired but just needs to keep playing. He is a genuine star in the making and the future of our ten year dominance.

Trac and Oliver are also elite and will be a key part of the next dynasty.

You can see a definite core of each age, role and experience demographicto provide for a ten year program. What is still needed is the winning ideology. We lost last week because this team is still not experienced in winning, they do not know how to gauge their opponents and their own capacity at all times. The coach is included in this.They are all learning.

They will learn most when they hold the cup up this year. They must do this or the opportunity may evaporate.

Come out next week with the desire to win and atone for this weeks misjudgement and it will be ok. Come out nervous and trying to avoid losing it may all be delayed. This is a significant time in this clubs life. Now is the time to build the pressure, intensity and desire. The looks on the faces indicated this may well have happened. The next game will tell us a lot.

GO DEES.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,026]

Out: Gold Coast Suns

In: Western Bulldogs

But in all seriousness, I think Viney needs to find form at Casey now, he's way to far off it.

Brayshaw to the guts, bring in Declase on the wing.

 

 

[monoccular 16,294]

7 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Just in case anyone isn't aware, we cannot miss finals from here. We're 5.5 games clear of 9th with 5 games to go.

Relax, Demonlanders. We have qualified for the finals.

Yes, we will play finals which will be a surprise to many but FFS if anyone at the club is in any way satisfied with that then we will never ever achieve the ultimate. 

4 hours ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

Out: Gold Coast Suns

In: Western Bulldogs

But in all seriousness, I think Viney needs to find form at Casey now, he's way to far off it.

Brayshaw to the guts, bring in Declase on the wing.

 

 

Sad fact - nobody can find form at VFL at the moment or IMVHO in the foreseeable future. 

[bobby1554 1,146]

This not turning up mentally to games against low ranked sides needs to stop. NOW. Send a message that complacency, laziness and/or poor skills will not be tolerated. I don't care if we do not win another game and finish bottom half of the 8, and get bundled out first week. Build a ruthless winning culture.

Weideman for Jackson

Sparrow for Brayshaw

Bowey for Hibberd

Jones for Viney

Melksham for Neal-Bullen

Chandler for Pickett

On notice - Brown

[Superunknown 3,371]

1 hour ago, bobby1554 said:

This not turning up mentally to games against low ranked sides needs to stop. NOW. Send a message that complacency, laziness and/or poor skills will not be tolerated. I don't care if we do not win another game and finish bottom half of the 8, and get bundled out first week. Build a ruthless winning culture.

Weideman for Jackson

Sparrow for Brayshaw

Bowey for Hibberd

Jones for Viney

Melksham for Neal-Bullen

Chandler for Pickett

On notice - Brown

Jeepers! Texas Chainsaw Massacre!

I like your posts and would like to subscribe to your ezine. Where can I post a my cheque? :D

Weid for Jackson is interesting as is Melksham for ANB.

Is Jones providing some banjo free Deliverance into the F50 with reliability to the extent he pushes someone out? If so, who?

I thought Brown was useful.

[ANG13 1,528]

11 hours ago, dee-tox said:

WTF?

Always good to have scapegoat I guess but Aaron shouldn't be your guy. He was excellent in the first half. His ball use was great. Linked up well. The fact that he even played in the second half after getting smashed by McEvoy was a credit to him. 

If you want to identify reasons we lost.

Here are five: 

Our key target TMac couldn't get a touch.

Our best inside 50 guy Petracca went at 55 percent disposal efficiency.

Our two other main midfielders Oliver and Viney turned it over 18 times!

We can't kick a set shot. 

Jackson had four effective disposals for the day.

Yes lots of reasons we lost and it clearly wasn’t all Vandenberg’s fault and there a few other players who should be on notice as well. But for me next week I would rather Melksham  or Harmes in for Vanenberg. You clearly have a different opinion and that is all good, we all see things differently. 

[Older demon 2,181]

I think Harmes must return. Vanders replaced him and should make way.

Jackson should be rested as he is not productive enough up forward and misses goals. Weid to play as 2nd ruck not as a set forward

I would like Melk back in, for whom i don't know but we need some better delivery into the forward like and set shot kicking. Maybe rest Jordan

[adonski 9,231]

We simply need a couple of downhill skiers so we complete against the worst sides. Need to throw the kitchen sink at Stringer & Motlop and reset for next year. 

[picket fence 15,419]

On 7/18/2021 at 3:18 PM, WERRIDEE said:

Bowey is ready to go it's just that it's tough to get a game we are pretty settled but Rivers would want to find some form soon or Bowey will take his place.

BOWEY has played some excellent footy this year at Casey. He has pace,courage, footy smarts AND he uses the ball very well with hand and foot. Plays a lot like Caleb Daniels

[bing181 8,207]

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Plays a lot like Caleb Daniels *

* in the VFL.

[Demonland 65,981]

Admin Note: Thread title change to CHANGES: Rd 19 vs Western Bulldogs

 

[roy11 2,994]

Admin note

OUT: GOLD COAST SUNS

IN: WESTERN BULLDOGS

 

(joke probably made in the thread already, but we'll allow it)

[GCDee 3,064]

Cold, wet n windy at the G this week. Probably doesn't suit the dogs.

Wouldn't be surprised if we take a tall forward out for another small. 

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,341]

18 hours ago, dee-tox said:

WTF?

Always good to have scapegoat I guess but Aaron shouldn't be your guy. He was excellent in the first half. His ball use was great. Linked up well. The fact that he even played in the second half after getting smashed by McEvoy was a credit to him. 

If you want to identify reasons we lost.

Here are five: 

Our key target TMac couldn't get a touch.

Our best inside 50 guy Petracca went at 55 percent disposal efficiency.

Our two other main midfielders Oliver and Viney turned it over 18 times!

We can't kick a set shot. 

Jackson had four effective disposals for the day.

Spot on, plus...

We lost the tackle count by 20 ish

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,341]

10 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Melksham for Neal-Bullen

ANB is a bit of a whipping boy on this forum

The suggestion of Melksham for ANB is flawed and fails to recognise the roles people are playing in this team. And we've heard the success this year is based on roles

ANB is in the team for his 2-way run, as well as being an effective small forward. Holding our defensive structure up the ground requires this run from our forwards. This is why Goodwin thinks more of him than many D'landers

Melksham does not bring the same 2-way run, in fact some on here suggest his defensive run and effort is poor at times.

I don't think ANB has been as bad as many are saying. But if he is to go out, it has to be for a runner (Bowey? Hunt/Hibberd fwd and someone else in back? Baker?)

[Demons11 6,404]

16 hours ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

Out: Gold Coast Suns

In: Western Bulldogs

But in all seriousness, I think Viney needs to find form at Casey now, he's way to far off it.

Brayshaw to the guts, bring in Declase on the wing.

 

 

Brining in a VFL player for Viney? I think lockdown is starting to get to people.  Viney will tag Libba this week. 

[Demons11 6,404]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

BOWEY has played some excellent footy this year at Casey. He has pace,courage, footy smarts AND he uses the ball very well with hand and foot. Plays a lot like Caleb Daniels

I know you’re a fan but there is no way any of our backline gets dropped for Bowey.  There is nothing wrong with our use out of the backline.