Jump to content

  • Podcast: Grand Final Preview      

  • Podcast: Gary Pert Interview & Grand Final Preview      

CHANGES: Rd 13 vs Collingwood



Recommended Posts

13 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I guess the “independent” (I would say inept and clueless) MRO may see Sparrow as a “soft target” to make a point about head high (even neck high) contact, though I thought it was all in the contest. 
If he is cited then we should appeal it. 

Bye the following week, and a 9day break before that.  NO

Langdon an obvious IN  - out would be Hunt if injured, Sparrow IF suspended ??, other use Melksham though that is unlikely. 
Weed IS playing a role in the forward structure and IMVHO he should stay. 

With regards to weed. He is creating a target, contesting and almost holding his marks. Frustrating, that he doesn't seem to be laying tackles and pressuring the exit from our forward line. I would keep him in for another few games, if we don't and Brown comes in we may never know what he's capable of. If weed hasn't hit his straps with 6 games to go in the home and away, BBB has to come in, find form and prepare for finals footy. Areas that way if BBB goes down with injury during that period, weed would have a good chunk of afl footy behind him this year. Thoughts?

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Watching the game I thought Melksham was terrible, again. But it's hard to assess off the TV.

He had our fifth most pressure acts, with 16 (for context, ANB had 26, Harmes 23, Pickett 22, Oliver 20 and Petracca 17. 

Assuming no injuries, someone has to go to bring Langdon back. I'd have no issue with it being Melksham, but I suspect he's playing a role the coaches want.

I really, really don't want Sparrow to be dropped. Each time he's been given a game this year he's played really well IMO and I think he deserves to hold his spot.

So honestly, if Hunt isn't injured and we need to drop someone...I don't know who makes way.

As to Weid v Brown, my personal view is Brown never should have been dropped and whilst he hasn't done anything at VFL level to warrant re-selection, Weideman's not doing enough. I'd make the switch, but it's line ball.

  • Like 8
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Langdon in which unfortunately pushes 'yung sparra' to the medical sub.

Much talk about Melksham but he is only getting about 60mins on the ground each game so I suspect he has a specific role to play, which the coach is happy about.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, Josh said:

Rightly... Just

Why "Rightly ... Just? He has had 5 and a half years to develop and apart from a cameo or so he hasn't. Time to make the change Get Side show IN!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Jontee said:

Langdon in which unfortunately pushes 'yung sparra' to the medical sub.

Much talk about Melksham but he is only getting about 60mins on the ground each game so I suspect he has a specific role to play, which the coach is happy about.

I think Sparrow might be suspended. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We need to ensure that we bring in players to give them some exposure to the big time. Don't want to get caught out close to finals with injuries and our depth players have not had any exposure. Need to sneak a game here and there into these players.

We have Brown in 'reserve'. Chandler has had a run. Viney to come in at some stage. Salem probably needs another rest.

Its likely Declase will get a game at some stage for some exposure. Likely Laurey and Bowey will serve an apprenticeship before getting a run unless form is unreal in the VFL when it resumes.

Fingers crossed no injuries.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Assuming that there are no hidden injuries I would rest Salem he looks to be carrying an injury and there are a lot of games to go yet. Sparrow will probably be suspended and I would drop Weidman for brown. In Brown, Langdon and ? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

On what basis are you bringing Bowey in? 
 

We just beat the 3rd place with a 40 pt turnaround and you want to make 3 changes - spare me.  Langdon the only change for either Melksham or Sparrow. 

The logic of what Turner is suggesting is fine - at some point we need to bring Bowey in so he gets a taste and the longer he and Ben Brown go without games is a worry and will make it that much harder for them.

The other thing is that I suspect Salem will have the Pies game off to give him a chance to get over his injury and it's time either Bowey or Lockhart got a game instead of Nev. If Hunt's injury is more serious than I suspect then both could play.

As to the other changes, Ben Brown should come in for Weid. It's been frustrating watching how close Weid has gone to really nailing his marks and he should be brought back in again in a few weeks, but big Ben needs another shot - that's why we recruited him.

Finally Langdon has to play and there's only one underperforming player - so Melky has to go. As with Weid, Melky should come back in down the track, but he needs to go back and lay some tackles when VFL comp resumes hopefully the week after next.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Deespicable said:

The logic of what Turner is suggesting is fine - at some point we need to bring Bowey in so he gets a taste and the longer he and Ben Brown go without games is a worry and will make it that much harder for them.

The other thing is that I suspect Salem will have the Pies game off to give him a chance to get over his injury and it's time either Bowey or Lockhart got a game instead of Nev. If Hunt's injury is more serious than I suspect then both could play.

As to the other changes, Ben Brown should come in for Weid. It's been frustrating watching how close Weid has gone to really nailing his marks and he should be brought back in again in a few weeks, but big Ben needs another shot - that's why we recruited him.

Finally Langdon has to play and there's only one underperforming player - so Melky has to go. As with Weid, Melky should come back in down the track, but he needs to go back and lay some tackles when VFL comp resumes hopefully the week after next.

Have you forgotten that Sparrow may be suspended.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Kit Walker said:

He's in some strife. Steps past the ball, elects to bump and gets him high with shoulder. Fine if he's lucky but wouldn't be surprised if he gets a week.

So should Zorko btw too.

It's not conclusive that he hits him high and the force is minimal. That said, Sparrow's is closer to a week than Zorko's. Yes, he hit TMac with an elbow but the force was almost negligible.

Both would have to be rubbed out on intention not impact, which is unlikely.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Reading between the lines with Goody's interview on the radio a bit earlier I'd say:

Weid will stay - Goody mentioned something along the lines of we're starting to see what happens when we have the same players playing together in developing chemistry.

Melksham is on the edge.  Goody was asked whether Melksham was playing a specific role last night which explained why he wasn't involved so much.  Goody said he wasn't and that he had a quiet game... and then went on to say that he had been building his performances prior to last night.

Given Jordon mostly played on Langdon's wing, I'd say with Langdon back, he'll go back to the role that was largely filled by Sparrow last night.  Sparrow was good last night but I think Jordon's got more runs on the board - the fact that they were able to ask him to play the wing shows he's got a bit more versatility.

So I'd say Sparrow out for Langdon.  If Viney is fit then Melksham might be next (can't see them dropping Harmes or Jordon)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, volders said:

IN: Langdon, B.Brown

OUT: Melk, Weid

?: Is Viney Ready? Think he is an automatic inclusion, but tough to find an OUT. Hunt maybe, but the defensive unit has been good, think her keeps his spot for now. Sparrow as the last one in, but he was good tonight. Jordan, maybe due for a rest?

Think Jordan can have another week, then have a break with the rest of the team at the bye 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

In: Langdon 

Out: Sparrow 

I don’t want to drop Sparrow but I’m in a state where I don’t want to see any new configurations. What we’re doing works, leave it alone.

I agree in part, however I believe it's also important for our depth players to understand the system at afl level and, just as importantly, up-skill them in other areas of the ground in case of unforeseen injury.

So for me I would do this.

Weideman to CHB

Petty to CHF

Rivers to a Wing

Brayshaw back on ball where he does his best work.

I don't want to complicate this too much but we should also look at the following for next weeks clash as well.

Bowey in for Hunt

Salem to replace spargo in the forward half for his finishing in front of goal

Spargo to run on ball all game. All can now see his high iq and decision making. Time to put them on display where it should be.

Oliver out - have a good two weeks rest son, it's only Collingwood. 

Lockhart in for hibberd - old hammys are surely going to pop soon.

Turner looks a player, reckon we should ease him in against a celler dweller.

Ben Brown in, see what Jackson, McDonald, Petty, Brown, fritsch combo looks like. Stuff it, let's throw Mitch Brown in there and see Collingwood deal with all dem talls.

Bradtke as emergency sub for game day experience and the lols.

Sorry langdon, no spot for you this week. Try not to get hit in the head next time.

Jordon out, you've won too many games and it's time to give another kid a go. 

And Melksham out I guess, because reasons.

 

  • Haha 1
  • Facepalm 2
  • Shocked 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I agree in part, however I believe it's also important for our depth players to understand the system at afl level and, just as importantly, up-skill them in other areas of the ground in case of unforeseen injury.

So for me I would do this.

Weideman to CHB

Petty to CHF

Rivers to a Wing

Brayshaw back on ball where he does his best work.

I don't want to complicate this too much but we should also look at the following for next weeks clash as well.

Bowey in for Hunt

Salem to replace spargo in the forward half for his finishing in front of goal

Spargo to run on ball all game. All can now see his high iq and decision making. Time to put them on display where it should be.

Oliver out - have a good two weeks rest son, it's only Collingwood. 

Lockhart in for hibberd - old hammys are surely going to pop soon.

Turner looks a player, reckon we should ease him in against a celler dweller.

Ben Brown in, see what Jackson, McDonald, Petty, Brown, fritsch combo looks like. Stuff it, let's throw Mitch Brown in there and see Collingwood deal with all dem talls.

Bradtke as emergency sub for game day experience and the lols.

Sorry langdon, no spot for you this week. Try not to get hit in the head next time.

Jordon out, you've won too many games and it's time to give another kid a go. 

And Melksham out I guess, because reasons.

 

this is all insane and will, thankfully, not happen while we are 11-1 and playing well

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hard to see on TV at times but I think the thing that bugs me about Weid is that he jogs when he needs to RUN to apply pressure to the player who is invariably in front of him attacking the ball. I went back and watched some of the second half of the game again and was just trying to find out what weid was doing when not in the direct marking contest, and it seems he spends a lot of time not running particularly hard to do something, even if it’s just keeping a little pressure on his opponent 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Reading between the lines with Goody's interview on the radio a bit earlier I'd say:

Weid will stay - Goody mentioned something along the lines of we're starting to see what happens when we have the same players playing together in developing chemistry.

Melksham is on the edge.  Goody was asked whether Melksham was playing a specific role last night which explained why he wasn't involved so much.  Goody said he wasn't and that he had a quiet game... and then went on to say that he had been building his performances prior to last night.

Given Jordon mostly played on Langdon's wing, I'd say with Langdon back, he'll go back to the role that was largely filled by Sparrow last night.  Sparrow was good last night but I think Jordon's got more runs on the board - the fact that they were able to ask him to play the wing shows he's got a bit more versatility.

So I'd say Sparrow out for Langdon.  If Viney is fit then Melksham might be next (can't see them dropping Harmes or Jordon)

I was really impressed with JJ's tank playing on the wing. He ran the game out well, I do wonder if there might be a more permanent role on one of the wings?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

I imagine Ben Brown is putting in some serious work right now to get himself right, now that a GF appearance is a very real possibility. It’s going to be tough for him or any of us to see how he’s travelling though, given no Casey games for the time being. 
 

Personally, I really hope he does get himself right. When he’s on, he’s a far better player than Weideman, and has the receipts to prove it. 
 

 

Edited by Mel Bourne
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, —coach— said:

Hard to see on TV at times but I think the thing that bugs me about Weid is that he jogs when he needs to RUN to apply pressure to the player who is invariably in front of him attacking the ball. I went back and watched some of the second half of the game again and was just trying to find out what weid was doing when not in the direct marking contest, and it seems he spends a lot of time not running particularly hard to do something, even if it’s just keeping a little pressure on his opponent 

This is exactly the area that he needs to correct. I constantly call out at my TV (and at games sometimes) ‘Who’s Next?’.
 

Pressure becomes Implied Pressure when every opposition player in a sequence is being aggressively hunted, and then clean possession turns into a mess or you simply force a 50:50 contest on the wing instead of in the D50. 
 

Only works if every player is hunting and corralling their opponent with the ball.

Weed can be guilty of the ‘run alongside the ball carrier around the boundary line’ game plan rather than ‘target the ball carrier and force a disposal’ game plan at times.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:

The logic of what Turner is suggesting is fine - at some point we need to bring Bowey in so he gets a taste and the longer he and Ben Brown go without games is a worry and will make it that much harder for them.

The other thing is that I suspect Salem will have the Pies game off to give him a chance to get over his injury and it's time either Bowey or Lockhart got a game instead of Nev. If Hunt's injury is more serious than I suspect then both could play.

As to the other changes, Ben Brown should come in for Weid. It's been frustrating watching how close Weid has gone to really nailing his marks and he should be brought back in again in a few weeks, but big Ben needs another shot - that's why we recruited him.

Finally Langdon has to play and there's only one underperforming player - so Melky has to go. As with Weid, Melky should come back in down the track, but he needs to go back and lay some tackles when VFL comp resumes hopefully the week after next.

What a load of rubbish, we are not a bottom 4 team.  Players learn their craft in the 2’s and when they are ready they play.  You don’t just play them because they need a taste.  Jordan is a perfect example, 2 years developing in the 2’s. 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not only that Sparrows adds great forward pressure in our front half. Melksham is non existent. In fact he didn't lay a single tackle for the past 3 games in a row.

Let that sink in.

Make that 5 Dazzle.  His last tackle inside fifty was against the Tigers in Rnd 6.

Here is a ranking of average tackles inside fifty up to and including last night so far this season.  It includes most players one would expect to be making a least a few occasional appearances (ruckman / wingman / mids / defenders pushing forward etc) inside fifty this season as part of their role.  Obviously some more so than others and some alot more than others who are playing a genuine forward role.  Note: probably should have excluded Salem who plays mostly behind the ball now so viewer discretion needed in select cases such as this...

Player T i50
Mitch Brown* 3.000
K Pickett 1.750
T McDonald 1.500
Alex N-Bullen 1.417
Jack Viney 1.200
J Jordan 1.182
C Spargo 1.000
K Chandler* 1.000
L Jackson 0.909
T Sparrow 0.842
J Harmes 0.833
Ben Brown 0.667
C Oliver 0.583
B Fritsch 0.545
J Melksham 0.375
C Petracca 0.333
S Weideman 0.250
C Salem 0.182
Ed Langdon 0.182
Max Gawn 0.167
N Jones 0.143

* Only played one match not an average score

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Nasher said:

Melksham might go out and it would be understandable if he did. I already said in my OP that the main basis of my selection is keeping the structure of the side as stable as possible. 

The bias against Melksham on here frustrates and me fuels my bias towards him. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I guess we’ll see.

To not lay a single tackle in 3 weeks is appalling for a medium forward who has also not put any real score board pressure. Yesterday he played a more defensive wing game and did ok. But Jesus he just doesn’t love the hard stuff does he? 
He won’t get dropped, but he is absolutely not bringing enough to justify being an automatic selection in the best team in the competition and therefore will get talked about every week as we try to bring in changes, forced or otherwise. 
Hunt was awful and hurt his shoulder. I would drop him and bring in Langdon and reshuffle JJ to Hunt’s role. 
I would try to keep Sparrow in until Viney is back. He deserves a run of games and played really well yesterday. 

Edited by Jaded
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    THE ICING ON THE QUAKE by Whispering Jack

    It’s not Christmas yet but if the Melbourne wins its last game of the 2021 season, then many of its fans will be celebrating early. There already are some parts of our town where the pending festivity is preordained. Houses are decked out with red and blue banners and streamers, some of which appeared as early as last Saturday week, on the morning after the Demons’ magnificent 83-point crushing of Geelong in their preliminary final at Optus Stadium. While it’s great to see the numbers of lo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    CAT SKINNING by George On The Outer

    When they defeated the Geelong Cats in the 2021 AFL Preliminary Final on Friday night in Perth, Melbourne proved that there is more than one way to skin those cats.  They did it in the ruck and in the middle, they did it in the forward line, they did it in defence and around the ground, but importantly, each and every player a Demon guernsey spent his night at Optus Stadium skinning an opponent. Following the after-the-siren win against Geelong in Round 23, there was an expectation of

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE POINTY END by The Oracle

    The AFL’s two oldest clubs, Melbourne and Geelong, face off on Friday evening in a sudden death Preliminary Final. It’s a game that promises plenty in terms of fascination and intrigue as a result of the rivalry that’s been building between the teams over recent encounters that have been tight struggles which have gone to the wire with two of them decided by after-the-siren goals. The added touch of mystery attached to this week’s meeting comes by virtue of the fact that it’s going to take

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE VFL YEAR THAT NEVER WAS by KC from Casey

    The rising case numbers and the continuing lockdowns in Victoria and NSW spelled doom for the 2021 VFL season which went through a slow, painful demise before its recent official cancellation. After weeks of indecision, the AFL decided to pull the plug on the season with the 10-0 Bulldogs recognised as minor premier, but without a premiership cup and without awarding the J.J. Liston Medal for the best and fairest VFL player. It was somewhat fortuitous for the integrity of the competition t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    TAMING THE LIONS by George On The Outer

    With nine finals debutants in the side, the Melbourne Football Club had a daunting assignment ahead of it in the First Qualifying Final — to overcome the competition’s highest scoring side, the Brisbane Lions. In the end, the Demons accomplished the task by putting the bite on their opponents on their way to taming the Lions and recording a 33 point win that propelled them into one the two Preliminary Finals of 2021.   It was one of those debutants, Luke Jackson, who put the bite in more

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    RETURN TO NEVERLAND by Whispering Jack

    The greatest Demon A HIGHWAY OF DEMONS by Whispering Jack CHAPTER SIXTEEN - RETURN TO NEVERLAND  I have a six year old grandson who recently took up the family tradition of following the Demons. He had his first taste of the game a few years ago when he went to the “G” with his parents to watch the 107-point massacre of Carlton and he went to another game in the following season which was also a W for the Dees. But his appetite for the club has grown exponentially this year and wh

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 13

    METAMORPHOSIS by Whispering Jack

    I’ve always believed that when the home and away matches come to an end, the football season takes on a completely different shape and character. During the regular season, each team’s goals progress as the weeks pass and if you’re good enough to survive and make the grade, the situation changes. The comparison can be made with the life cycle of a butterfly going through stages from egg to larva to caterpillar, cocoon and in the end to a bright and colourful creature that emerges from darkness i

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    STEALING THE CATS’ CREAM by George On The Outer

    They were leading by 44 points well into the third quarter of a game to decide the minor premier, having kicked nine unanswered goals. The Cats were about to lap up their bowl of cream, dreaming of next week but the Demons led by Max Gawn had other ideas. In a stunning finish, they stole the game from under them to claim the plaudits as best team and top of ladder position. In a remarkable game, it all came down to Max having to kick the winning goal after the final siren, something which s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SKIN THE CATS by Whispering Jack

    The task ahead for the Demons as they wend their way down the Princes Freeway to Geelong on Saturday night will be to skin the Cats. For them to come away with the points from this game would mark an historic occasion for the club as it will finish on top of the ladder for the first time since its last premiership year, 1964. And it was in that year, that a trip to Corio Bay to meet the reigning premiers in Round 12, was one of the catalysts for Melbourne’s surge to the flag. It was a top o

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    REACH FOR THE STARS by George on the Outer

    It was a game of great significance for the Melbourne Football Club. A win would see them keep top spot on the ladder with one round remaining. To achieve top place in the Round for Reach when we are all inspired to “Be Like Jim” and reach for the stars was a great way of honouring one of our heroes. All the better given that it was done by way of an emphatic 41 point win against Adelaide! It is worth remembering that, but for the umpiring mistake in the previous encounter with the Crows, t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TICKETS PLEASE by The Oracle

    A lot of water has passed under Princes Bridge in the five years since Melbourne last met Adelaide on the MCG. The Crows were riding high at the time while the Demons were mid-table and scrambling for a win to stay in the race for the finals. The 30,000 fans who had tickets to the game were thoroughly entertained by a close, high scoring affair that ended in tears for fans of the home team. Not even an eight-goal second term could help them.   Times have changed.    In the fi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    ELECTRIFYING by George On The Outer

    What more can they throw at the Demons of 2021? Covid restrictions, hubs, aircraft circling between airports before landing for games and now a match stopped for 30 minutes to give a flagging opponent its second wind? To date, none of those distractions has swayed the team from their winning objectives. The game against West Coast in Perth can be marked on their report card as another positive outcome after yet another test. There was much at stake for both sides.  Melbourne had t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...