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He marks much better than jackson who just runs underneath the ball almost everytime. thats more frustrating 

 

Just a form thing. Dropped a couple of ones he probably should've taken but kept going and marked a couple of good ones in the second half. I reckon he's close to having a really good game.

 

as a matter of interest, how many games of footy has he actually played at afl and vfl level combined?

i think it's easy to forget he missed nearly his entire senior year of underage football

Gee we expect a lot of him.  I think the opposition has worked him out - strong physical presence just before the ball arrives.  He hasn't got the strength to counter that - yet.


3 hours ago, SPC said:

He and Jackson both need work. 
 

 

Jacko can play all over the ground.

Jacko can take a contested mark.

Jacko isn't in the prime of his career and floundering.

I hope Weid can do what T Mac, Hunt and ANB have done. Nothing would make me happier but I am not holding my breath. Trade him to Collingwood and let them pay his salary

4 hours ago, siam juntaRus said:

He has the perfect build for a professional tennis player. He looks fragile out there on an AFL ground.

You are joking right? his touch is coming, but size, he is already a baby dinosaur.

5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

10 posts all saying it's got something to do with "confidence". That's really a metaphysical concept, rather than a practical problem. What does this actually mean? His lack of confidence makes him timid? His timing is off? His hands are too hard? He's too upright? or not upright enough?

I'm not criticising the suggestion that it's his confidence. But if that's the problem how do coaches fix such an ethereal problem?  

No confidence, he becomes self absorbed, worried,  anxious, leaving less capacity to fully focus on the job at hand. He therefore can't "get in the flow", until he is relaxed and using all his facilities to play. That includes peripheral vision and instincts.

He will remain stunted until he has confidence. 

Could do with a pressure release of some form.

Success, put a string of good games together,  get him to change the way he thinks when he doesn't mark it (berating himself doesn'tseem to work), hypnotise himself into thinking he can't miss them so he believes it is an aberration when he misses them, tell himself to get on with it and that he shouldn't live in the past.

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3 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

Jacko can play all over the ground.

Jacko can take a contested mark.

Jacko isn't in the prime of his career and floundering.

I’m enjoying Jackson’s development like most fans, but the bolded sentence isn’t true. Jackson seriously struggles with contested marking contests. He’s averaging less than one a game, and is worse performed than Weid at this skill.

This threads existence is baffling. Weid is averaging 1.4 contested marks a game, 4th in our team this season. Somehow his marking is a problem? What does that say about the other 40 guys on the list?

Weid isn’t having big impact on games right now, but if he starts clunking even one more contested mark a week, then he’ll be up there as a league leader with Gawn and Dixon for contested marking stats. He’s not far off, and it’s not really a problem. 

People need to get over their bias and be objective towards players. 

6 hours ago, Garbo said:

He just needs to work harder, doesn’t get himself to enough contests, doesn't make repeat leads and loose his opponents. Nearly every dropped mark is in a pack, even for the best that is a low percentage mark. Out on the lead his marking is good as any.

Noticed this too. Lot of behind the ground vision against the Dogs and you could see when we were going long down the line he was just ambling towards the contest. No leading, or running one way them doubling back etc to get some separation. I think simple answer is he's just not working hard enough so he's often in a big pack situation where it's more difficult to hold on.  


7 hours ago, SPC said:

He and Jackson both need work. 
 

Jacko runs under the ball, Weid drops his head and eyes come off the ball. His is more concentration 

Is it just me or has Gawn been dropping a few marks that he would normally takes over the last 2-3 weeks. The first part of the season he was marking everything all over the ground.

Edited by Bombay Airconditioning

I've noticed that he is quite often capable of taking a 1v1 mark while standing next to his opponent, but absolutely hopeless in a pack marking contest where he needs to run at the ball. Always seems to run under the ball.

Has the club assessed his depth of vision? Does he have a problem figuring out where the ball will land when he is running towards it? Maybe he needs a trigonometry tutor?

 

Or maybe he is just not cut out to be a senior AFL footballer?

 

 

6 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Thankfully he kicks much better than Greg Parke

Always something cynical. Oh well, I liked Greg Parke despite his kicking being erratic. He gave us terrific possessions and his handball was excellent across distances to a teammate. 

10 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Always something cynical. Oh well, I liked Greg Parke despite his kicking being erratic. He gave us terrific possessions and his handball was excellent across distances to a teammate. 

My favourite player when I was a young tacker. He managed to straighten up enough to kick over 60 goals one year. I'd take that !

Weid might need some specific training & development drills. Patches O'Houlihan style. If you can catch a wrench you can mark a ball !

21 minutes ago, adsy said:

Noticed this too. Lot of behind the ground vision against the Dogs and you could see when we were going long down the line he was just ambling towards the contest. No leading, or running one way them doubling back etc to get some separation. I think simple answer is he's just not working hard enough so he's often in a big pack situation where it's more difficult to hold on.  

Well if that’s the case, then it is a damning blight on him. Been in the system for 6 years, hasn’t played 50 games yet, and around 50 goals total. With the hot competition for a spot in the 22 at the moment, if work rate is an issue, then goodbye. Strikes me as the sort of player who will go to a second club, fail to fire a shot there, and give it away. I don’t think his heart is in it.


2 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

My favourite player when I was a young tacker. He managed to straighten up enough to kick over 60 goals one year. I'd take that !

Weid might need some specific training & development drills. Patches O'Houlihan style. If you can catch a wrench you can mark a ball !

As a policeman directing traffic at Camberwell Junction, he'd (Parke) stand close to the tramline at the intersection, enabling me and a mate to knock his peaked cap off his head each morning on our tram going to school. Always met with smiles and laughts, always pretending to be irritated, always straight back on the job at hand. He must have been a good bloke, too, don't you reckon?

 

 

40 minutes ago, adsy said:

I think simple answer is he's just not working hard enough so he's often in a big pack situation where it's more difficult to hold on.  

Can't agree with this.

Don't have this year's figures, but...

Top-five most distance covered per game in 2020
Ed Langdon, 12.3km
Christian Salem, 11.9km
Adam Tomlinson, 11.5km
Clayton Oliver, 11.3km
Sam Weideman, 11.3km

Marathon men: Telstra Tracker reveals your club's endurance kings

 

12 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Can't agree with this.

Don't have this year's figures, but...

Top-five most distance covered per game in 2020
Ed Langdon, 12.3km
Christian Salem, 11.9km
Adam Tomlinson, 11.5km
Clayton Oliver, 11.3km
Sam Weideman, 11.3km

Marathon men: Telstra Tracker reveals your club's endurance kings

 

Wow! All that to average under 8 disposals a game. The problem with Sam then, and again now, is that he does not impact the game.

Confidence has been mentioned above - he certainly seems to lack that.

IF he had held that mark in the first play, 4-5 seconds into the game, who knows how he would have played after that?
Just hope those 2 vitally timed marks and goals in Q3 will boost his self belief. 

4 minutes ago, bobby1554 said:

Wow! All that to average under 8 disposals a game. The problem with Sam then, and again now, is that he does not impact the game.

Wasn't your knock on him (based on 0 actual evidence) that he wasn't working hard enough? In fact, you said: "Strikes me as the sort of player who will go to a second club, fail to fire a shot there, and give it away. I don’t think his heart is in it."

The stats don't back up your, frankly immature and embarrassing, assertion.

Key forwards don't typically average huge disposal numbers.Tom Hawkins won the Coleman in 2020 averaging 12 disposals a game, I guess his 'heart isn't in it' either hey?

Weid also averaged 3 marks and 1.5 goals in 2020. Not terrible given his main forward partner was horribly out of form and we continued our poor delivery inside 50.

Currently averaging 4 marks and a goal this year so far. Fair to say he can improve, but your comments are a clear example of the over the top rhetoric that the lazy wheel out because they can't be bothered actually putting some thought in.


Losing faith in Weid reaching gun forward status. On the plus side he kicks straight, competes hard and brings the ball to ground most but not all the times. Looking forward to BB being a permanent fixture again before finals come around

I think it is definitely confidence with him, you could see how frustrated he was when he dropped that mark that led to Jordon's goal. Check the replay of that goal and you'll see Weideman clearly angry at dropping a relatively straightforward mark. The problem is that when you're down on confidence or missing some easy marks like that you start to try too hard and it is counterproductive. He needs to focus on the basics and get into his flow mindset rather than just pushing himself to try harder.

Focus on the basics and the rest will take care of itself. Focus on hitting packs and bringing the ball to ground for our crumbers, focus on the second efforts once the ball hits the ground (tackling, blocking for the smaller forwards) focus on working hard defensively when the opposition has the footy. Do this and he'll prove his worth to the team; kick a couple of goals each week when they present as well like they did in the 3rd quarter against the dogs and he'll prove to be a valuable contributor to the team.

Edited by Dr. Gonzo

the top key forwards average between 5 and 6 marks per game. Even during their 'early years' as they developed with games before they had 60+ goals.  Sam currently averages 3.5. So the question is a very good and relevant one.   

Personally, im hoping its not confidence. Sounds good in theory but  during a career there are always going to be form slumps and if every time your confidence is down, it negatively effects your performance for weeks on end you're not going to be elite and you're going to be in and out of the side.  

Im willing to give him a bit more time, in 2-3 years time he may yet become a top 6 forward. 

 
9 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

the top key forwards average between 5 and 6 marks per game. Even during their 'early years' as they developed with games before they had 60+ goals.  Sam currently averages 3.5.

He averages 4.3 this year.

Hawkins averaged 4.9 over his first 5 years.

Edited by Lord Nev

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

He averages 4.3 this year.

Hawkins averaged 4.9 over his first 5 years.

Yes, you can cherry pick.  You're comparing this years three game average of an established player to the first five season of another. I prefer to keep it like for like myself (3.5 v 4.9 at the same stage of career).   Whatever the case, the undeniable fact is he averages less than kennedy, mckay, hawkins, lynch etc etc. 

im not knocking him, but its a very valid question of how to rectify.


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