COVID & AFL 2021

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

Two separate cases involving Hawthorn players  hawthorn-covid19-finn-maginness-positive-test-players-isolating-club

I guess all clubs will need to prepare for this possibility and have contingency plans especially in-season.  

[adonski 12,109]

Fingers crossed by our 18th booster shots we no longer care about footy players getting the c0v1d

[Demonstone 22,507]

17 hours ago, bing181 said:

"A Blues player is yet to follow the AFL's COVID-19 vaccination policy."

That player's identity has now been revealed.

[faultydet 7,594]

9 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

That player's identity has now been revealed.

Samac Walshovic?

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

Not sure all clubs know when the deadline is...Geelong seem to think it is Feb 18.  Some clubs are being a bit evasive which is fine for public consumption but presumably their medicos are checking that all is in order.

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"The AFL's COVID-19 vaccination policy required all Victorian players to have had at least one jab against the virus by late last month, as well as being fully vaccinated by November 26 as per the state government's Authorised Worker Vaccination Mandate."

Edited November 10, 2021 by Lucifers Hero

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,754]

11 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not sure all clubs know when the deadline is...Geelong seem to think it is Feb 18.  Some clubs are being a bit evasive which is fine for public consumption but presumably their medicos are checking that all is in order.

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"The AFL's COVID-19 vaccination policy required all Victorian players to have had at least one jab against the virus by late last month, as well as being fully vaccinated by November 26 as per the state government's Authorised Worker Vaccination Mandate."

St Kilda and WCE are using the "individual privacy" line to avoid answering the question. But given the obligation, that's not going to hold up forever. If a player remains unvaxxed by whatever their specific state's deadline is, the clubs won't be able to avoid the question because any players missing from training will need to be explained.  

[Lord Nev 13,512]

23 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

St Kilda and WCE are using the "individual privacy" line to avoid answering the question.

Bet you they still publish injury lists every week during the season though...

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

I think the next season has the potential to become quite compromised. We no longer have the protection of lockdowns to keep the players out of Covid's way so it is only inevitable that more players will become infected during the season proper.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the AFL. Will a game will be postponed if 1 player is positive in the lead up, 3 players? 5 or 10? Will teams have to forefeit if they cannot field their best 22 due to Covid. Will we have compromised schedules again. The risk of infection is probably the greatest it will ever be and the government will only call another lockdown if cases start to put pressure on the hospital system (probably around the 5K-10K per day mark). European & American competitions will give us a good indication as to what to expect as they start to head into winter. 

Those that think COVID is done and dusted should think again. The vaccines are good but not the silver bullet we were all sold and we all have to figure out how we live with COVID and what daily risks we are willing to take in light of this disease. 

[adonski 12,109]

1 minute ago, CYB said:

I think the next season has the potential to become quite compromised. We no longer have the protection of lockdowns to keep the players out of Covid's way so it is only inevitable that more players will become infected during the season proper.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the AFL. Will a game will be postponed if 1 player is positive in the lead up, 3 players? 5 or 10? Will teams have to forefeit if they cannot field their best 22 due to Covid. Will we have compromised schedules again. The risk of infection is probably the greatest it will ever be and the government will only call another lockdown if cases start to put pressure on the hospital system (probably around the 5K-10K per day mark). European & American competitions will give us a good indication as to what to expect as they start to head into winter. 

Those that think COVID is done and dusted should think again. The vaccines are good but not the silver bullet we were all sold and we all have to figure out how we live with COVID and what daily risks we are willing to take in light of this disease. 

This is why we recruit so many inside mids. Stronger immune systems. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

1 hour ago, CYB said:

I think the next season has the potential to become quite compromised. We no longer have the protection of lockdowns to keep the players out of Covid's way so it is only inevitable that more players will become infected during the season proper.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the AFL. Will a game will be postponed if 1 player is positive in the lead up, 3 players? 5 or 10? Will teams have to forefeit if they cannot field their best 22 due to Covid. Will we have compromised schedules again. The risk of infection is probably the greatest it will ever be and the government will only call another lockdown if cases start to put pressure on the hospital system (probably around the 5K-10K per day mark). European & American competitions will give us a good indication as to what to expect as they start to head into winter. 

Those that think COVID is done and dusted should think again. The vaccines are good but not the silver bullet we were all sold and we all have to figure out how we live with COVID and what daily risks we are willing to take in light of this disease. 

Some good points.

Of necessity isolation policies of 'close contacts' and definition of a 'close contact' have been very tight.   Once we get past 90% double vax the government will need to relax/redefine those two policies (among others).

Nonetheless it would behove clubs to minimise risk eg ensure that their top players, or a complete line aren't in the gym at the same time, have some rules around how training is set up, more frequent testing etc.  At least if someone gets it a club can demonstrate the risk or not of infecting others and only the affected player isolates.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Lucifers Hero

[Fritta and Turner 4,405]

3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

That player's identity has now been revealed.

Are you joking?

[Diamond_Jim 12,578]

The AFL will tell clubs if any draft nominees do not intend to become fully vaccinated for COVID-19 before they make their selections in this year’s national draft, in order to guard against players being added to a list who aren’t eligible to play or train due to the league’s vaccination policy.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-clubs-will-be-told-of-draft-nominees-who-don-t-intend-to-be-vaccinated-20211110-p597r8.html

but

Draft nominees who are fully vaccinated, or intend to become fully vaccinated, do not have to inform the AFL of their status, and clubs have been allowed to ask potential draftees whether they had any issues with being vaccinated during their interview process.

[Satan 2,871]

1 minute ago, Jontee said:

Are you joking?

Novax?

[bing181 9,219]

3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

St Kilda and WCE are using the "individual privacy" line to avoid answering the question.

Comments around the place from WCE supporters that a key forward (not the one with a beard) is holding out.

[bing181 9,219]

"Defender Liam Jones named as Blues player hesitant to receive Covid-19 vaccination, reports say."

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2021-carlton-senior-player-refuses-covid19-vaccine-afl-vaccination-policy/news-story/8e6a0d9f0140e55e1ee9b6622c8f03b0

Edited November 10, 2021 by bing181

[rpfc 28,407]

Sam McClure named Jones on Sportsday straight up. 

Hard to argue, he will not be allowed to train and attend the club in few weeks time. And he is currently in the contract year of 2022 season and his contract could be mutually terminated if he wants to not play footy anymore. 

Imagine hating science so much you turn your back on $500k? Lol

[Lucifers Hero 39,758]

19 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

St Kilda and WCE are using the "individual privacy" line to avoid answering the question. But given the obligation, that's not going to hold up forever. If a player remains unvaxxed by whatever their specific state's deadline is, the clubs won't be able to avoid the question because any players missing from training will need to be explained.  

'Personal reasons' is an oft quoted one for longer absences and no one will ever know why they are away from the club.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Lucifers Hero

[Macca 16,965]

A lot of the player contracts were drawn up pre cxxxx or may not have a cxxxx component attached

So the non vaccinated may not be able to train & play,  but could they still be paid? (at least in part)

As we know, the contracts have previously been quite watertight ... for instance, when the games were cancelled or postponed because of cxxxx,  the players were still being paid

A negotiated 3% cut in salaries ended up being the result

Edited November 11, 2021 by Macca

[drysdale demon 4,832]

19 hours ago, rpfc said:

Imagine hating science so much you turn your back on $500k? Lol

If he ends up by turning his back on the game he cannot be labelled a hypocrite.

[old dee 23,788]

1 minute ago, drysdale demon said:

If he ends up by turning his back on the game he cannot be labelled a hypocrite.

No just stupid!

[drysdale demon 4,832]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

No just stupid!

Maybe sometimes it might be better to be called stupid by some rather than be labelled a  hypocrite.

[rpfc 28,407]

4 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

If he ends up by turning his back on the game he cannot be labelled a hypocrite.

He has been trusting sport science his entire career one would assume, I am happy to go on the limb that is labeled ‘Liam Jones is a hypocrite.’

[DubDee 25,854]

The stupidity of the vaccine hesitant or anti-vax crowd is hard to fathom and impossible to argue against - I’ve tried. When people are that belligerent and not willing to trust medicine or science, it is not possible to sway them. Jones could lose his career and for what? Not having the 21st vaccination of his life? (Guessing here, assuming he has been vaccinated before in youth and for travel)

I know a guy who is a high school principal and won’t get vaccinated. He will now lose his job and livelihood. what can you say??

[Lord Nev 13,512]

11 hours ago, rpfc said:

He has been trusting sport science his entire career one would assume, I am happy to go on the limb that is labeled ‘Liam Jones is a hypocrite.’

"You've done a hammy Liam..."

"I'll do my own research thanks" *opens YouTube*

 

[binman 42,920]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

"You've done a hammy Liam..."

"I'll do my own research thanks" *opens YouTube*

 

'Sorry Liam, i'm not sure who natural hamstring healing is, but there is no way you can play this week with a grade three hamstring tear. 

And if i were you i'd be recommending you stop ingesting calf fetus. Despite what you've read, it won't help. At least it won't help your hammy - you might be protected against pagan demons