Can anyone explain to me the “positive lingers” thing?

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:16, Kent said:

Yes Deemaniac

Having watched the replay Hawkins tried to line up Salem with a lifted elbow later in the Game

He has form and it should have been looked at in the May case

You give the AFL arbiter too much credit - he is not a thorough thinker, let alone a smart man.Ex-Filth, I believe.

  On 13/04/2021 at 21:13, Kent said:

Makes you really wonder about the previous football department and the Head coach

4 years to realize that we needed kicking practice. Most on here have known it for years

Confirmation bias 101. Meanwhile, back in the real world:

"Recently retired Melbourne player Jordan Lewis will continue with the club in an off-field capacity for the 2020 season. The decorated four-time premiership player has accepted a part-time coaching role, which will see him work with the playing group on their kicking skills ..."

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/306908/lewis-joins-demons-coaching-team

Edited April 14, 20214 yr by bing181

  On 13/04/2021 at 21:27, BAMF said:

I think most of us assumed it was already happening 

It was.

  On 14/04/2021 at 00:22, old dee said:

Sometimes you wonder if they are watching the same game as us in outer! 

Actually, you wonder if plenty here on Demonland pay any attention at all to what's actually going on at the club, or even have any idea.

  On 14/04/2021 at 02:40, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The only justification I can think of for not having a focus on kicking previously might be that there were so many other even worse deficiencies to concentrate on. Fitness levels is one that comes to mind.   

Except that we have had a focus on kicking previously, including with specific kicking coaches: Lewis for general kicking and Stafford for goal-kicking to name but two that I'm aware of.

  On 14/04/2021 at 04:09, Deemania since 56 said:

Yet another highlighted area of supporter concern, ...

Highlights yet another area of supporter ignorance.

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:44, bing181 said:

Highlights yet another area of supporter ignorance.

Did you listen to the interview?

  On 14/04/2021 at 04:52, Brenno said:

He was a good player for Freo. His 2019 was very good in fact. He was about explode towards the end of that season. 

I thought his 2020 was a step backwards for him but the whole 2020 year was a nightmare for many players. 

His improved kicking and the consistent impact on games this year  has taken him to the level he looked like he was close too at the dockers. 

 

 

 

 

 

Langers played some great footy for us last year. Wasn’t his fault we missed Finals

Interesting interview with a wonderful player. Not yet ready to change my moniker to "Langdon Magic", but give me a flag this year and maybe I will!

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:41, bing181 said:

Except that we have had a focus on kicking previously, including with specific kicking coaches: Lewis for general kicking and Stafford for goal-kicking to name but two that I'm aware of.

Thanks for this. Pleased to see we don't need to find an excuse after all. 

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:29, bing181 said:

Confirmation bias 101. Meanwhile, back in the real world:

"Recently retired Melbourne player Jordan Lewis will continue with the club in an off-field capacity for the 2020 season. The decorated four-time premiership player has accepted a part-time coaching role, which will see him work with the playing group on their kicking skills ..."

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/306908/lewis-joins-demons-coaching-team

Well he did an ordinary job of What should be a simple task  failed completely. perhaps he should have talk something else.

No bias involved Bing just reality

  On 13/04/2021 at 22:32, Brownie said:

I'm really glad Chocco is on to it

At a guest it seems that Goody has realised he needs to listen and accept help from others. Looks like a great coaching combination.

When I heard Chocco on SEN he mentioned something like that goody was good at listening and taking on board what the assistants were saying. 

Thanks god for that however if he didn’t I have no doubt he would be soon gone. A positive change. 

Edited April 14, 20214 yr by DemonOX

  On 14/04/2021 at 09:31, DemonOX said:

When I heard Chocco on SEN he mentioned something like that goody was good at listening and taking on board what the assistants were saying. 

Thanks god for that however if he didn’t I have no doubt he would be soon gone. A positive change. 

Seriously for the love of god.... or whomever is your deity.

So this is how it played out

1) Goodwin comes on board as coach

2) Goodwin is enthusiastic in 2018 - but rules with an iron fist, and no one elses opinion is valid

3) Goodwin has his own coaching staff and continues to be not open to other coaching staff's opinions

4) FD move on most of coaching staff from Goodwins initial tenure - and he fails to listen (2019)

5) Goodwin fails to be willing to listen in 2020 hub/covid etc

6) Williams and Yze are recruited - and Goodwin through gritted teeth (or fear of losing job) is only now willing to listen.

Coincidence is not causation...

 

  On 14/04/2021 at 01:51, Sir Why You Little said:

I hadn’t seen much of Mr Ed play at The Shockers 

I had no idea the Bloke was in this elite category 

Or has he gone up a level?

Robbie Flower and Stan Alves played the wing like Langers

They owned it

Brian Dixon  was My first great Melb winger completely different style.

Not fast in running speed just an average floating punt kick ( which he often got to his boot very smartly) about 40m but superb high mark and very competitive.

Usually got 20 plus possessions each week and played tall for a winger of around 5ft 10 ( or 170/3 cm).

Played in our Glory Days (1954 to 1964) and In a number of our flags  then. 
 

Langers is tracking to join our four Other greats Dicko, Alvsey Robbie ( our greatest winger but could play elsewhere) and Stinga. 
 

And he is looking as if he could be only the second of those to have a flag or flags on  his CV, in a season or two. 
 

 

  On 13/04/2021 at 22:32, Brownie said:

I heard Goody in a post game presser. Might have been after the St Kilda game in round 2 when we kicked 12.19

He said something like "we might have to focus on our goal kicking a little this week, not that it's ever been an issue for us in the past"

I almost choked on my beer.

If Fritsch didn't kick straight on the weekend (and I'm really happy he seems to be straightening up), we could have been in a bit of strife again.

Poor field and goal kicking has cost us so much over the past two years.

I'm really glad Chocco is on to it.

I think Goodwin is very lucky to have both Chocco and Yze working with him.

Hats off to Yze as well. That continual rotation of players through the midfield would be giving midfielders small breaks to allow us to burst out of the packs with more speed and agression and keeping the opposition guessing. All of a sudden we have outside speed!

At a guest it seems that Goody has realised he needs to listen and accept help from others. Looks like a great coaching combination.

Fingers crossed we go 5-0 this weekend and head into Jones' 300th at the G against Richmond undefeated.

This.

First time the club has practiced kicking since Ed's been at the club. 

Un-%*&@%*^-believable.

  On 13/04/2021 at 22:38, Altona-demon said:

Also Kent's bang on with the tag, we have too many players now that can get off the chain.  Was fantastic watching them to try and put a tag on Oliver and watching Tracc get off the chain - in past years Tracc wouldn't have been able to expose that.  Now he can.  Then they removed the tag from Oliver and he exploded.  Please footy gods keep this midfield injury free.  Although having said that, the depth we are building by rotating Jordon and Sparrow through there is very encouraging.  I think Yze is doing a GREAT job at changing the One dimensional nature of our midfield unit.  Anyone else been noticing how Max has suddenly started smashing the ball long out of clearances and also grabing the ball himself? Stops all the sharking that has been going on for years now (i'm sure that this is yze influenced as well).

To be fair to Clarry, he started like a house on fire against Geelong. He and Trac were involved in lots of early touches. IMO it actually set the tone of the game.

  On 14/04/2021 at 04:33, Happy Jack said:

I thought Oliver dealt with the tag beautifully on Sunday . He took O’Connor well away from the circle, then pushed off him to the contest instead of being clogged in at the tap, so not being held in at the contest. And as someone else has noted, hit the contest at speed. Do I detect a growth in football IQ in the lad? 

Much like last year when Burgess encouraged him to take a few extra steps when clear, I think the ability to deal with the tag is down to the coaching team and has the "Game Day Strategist" written all over it. Remember Clarry is only 23, when he is coached in a particular way to address an issue and he implements the instructions and it works then we will continue to unlock his full potential. There is an old adage  "Success breeds Success".

As I wrote the above I suddenly realised this is true of so many of the players, I dare to dream what a 19yo Kozzie could be with the right coaching.

Belief is building across the entire squad and the improved coaching has had an enormous influence on that from what I'm observing.

  On 14/04/2021 at 02:22, Demon17 said:

This is a good point.  The problem for oppo teams is that a traditional tagger can't run with Langdon, and so would need a couple of them to lock him down in bursts.

Not achievable.

Langdon's ability to get it so consistently on the outside also means opposition midfield's have to be very wary of outnumbering the inside of the contest (which we often let them do), otherwise they could leave themselves open to being burnt on the outside by the likes of Langdon or Hunt. Their combined speed is a very handy weapon to have and not many teams have two of them. This means though that our inside mids have more width to work with at stoppage, so I'll join the love in chorus for Ed. He's a star. He really is. I thought he was great last year too.

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:41, bing181 said:

Except that we have had a focus on kicking previously, including with specific kicking coaches: Lewis for general kicking and Stafford for goal-kicking to name but two that I'm aware of.

Is Lewy still at the club in the part time role or has that position been cut now due to austerity measures?

  On 14/04/2021 at 09:31, DemonOX said:

When I heard Chocco on SEN he mentioned something like that goody was good at listening and taking on board what the assistants were saying. 

Thanks god for that however if he didn’t I have no doubt he would be soon gone. A positive change. 

Let's be very clear here. None of us have any idea whether Goodwin has been stubborn at all. If you think back to some of his assistants (Jennings, McCartney etc), it's clear he let them have quite a lot of input to game style and ideas. It may well be a bit of a Demonland urban legend that Goodwin doesn't listen. The coaches who were jettisoned may well have been jettisoned against Goodwin's wishes. We won't likely ever know.

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:20, godees said:

Can anyone explain to me the “positive lingers” thing?

It’s a reference to a hashtag Gawny and Gus are trying to get trending every time there is a picture of Langdon (Lingers). They talk about him a lot in their podcast.

  On 14/04/2021 at 10:50, A F said:

Is Lewy still at the club in the part time role or has that position been cut now due to austerity measures?

Let's be very clear here. None of us have any idea whether Goodwin has been stubborn at all. If you think back to some of his assistants (Jennings, McCartney etc), it's clear he let them have quite a lot of input to game style and ideas. It may well be a bit of a Demonland urban legend that Goodwin doesn't listen. The coaches who were jettisoned may well have been jettisoned against Goodwin's wishes. We won't likely ever know.

I believe so, unlike last year when he stopped his involvement when the season started, he has continued 3 days a week and has been working directly with Uze and the midfield. Among his media commitments I have been listening to him on AFL 360 and I love his team analysis. I have noted that he only talks in generalities when it's Melbourne related.

I've been wondering where to post my next observation so thanks for giving me the opening.

I thinks it's been largely overlooked/forgotten that Pert instigated a review of the coaching department to identify the needs going forward. It would be naive to think Goody and Richardson didn't have input into that and then Pert set the task to identify the best candidates that addressed those needs. Likewise Goody and Richardson would have to be not just comfortable with the choices but excited by the prospects otherwise it just wouldn't work.

The review, the implementation and the results to date say it's been a great success and Pert deserves some kudos. He will deserve the ultimate praise if we can go on to win the supreme prize.

  On 14/04/2021 at 04:21, Deemania since 56 said:

Never forget the Bruce/Green connection ... a prime example of the 'best' combo for several years.

That’s precisely the comparison I used in the post that Godees was responding to.

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:41, bing181 said:

Except that we have had a focus on kicking previously, including with specific kicking coaches: Lewis for general kicking and Stafford for goal-kicking to name but two that I'm aware of.

I loved Lewis when he played for us, really think he was undervalued by supporters in his role during 2018. But if he was in charge of kicking and skills training last year than clearly he did not do enough of it. This is not so much with the fact that there wasn't much improvement, Langdon pointed to the fact that this season with Williams there has been a specific focus on it as opposed to last season. 

Perhaps that was a COVID related issue that something had to be dropped but this year Mark has not only made it a focus but also ensured that it's not the same tired old drills but something different to keep them interested and on their toes.

I don't mean to sound like I'm potting Lewis, I'm more pumping up that Williams has been a great get. 

  On 14/04/2021 at 05:30, bing181 said:

It was.

Ahh ok.. i listened to the interview from the current player who said it wasnt. Maybe it was just due to the hub year.